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Post by explorer on Apr 1, 2015 18:12:58 GMT 1
Blackpool: Seasiders chairman Karl Oyston has been warned by manager Lee Clark that he can only make the team competitive in League One with a significant spending spree and expects to be backed when it comes to paying wages this summer. (Blackpool Gazette)
Don't think another chairman is going to fall for that, Lee! Maybe time to prove you can "manage" on a budget before expecting another open wallet?
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Post by impact on Apr 1, 2015 18:16:07 GMT 1
Blackpool: Seasiders chairman Karl Oyston has been warned by manager Lee Clark that he can only make the team competitive in League One with a significant spending spree and expects to be backed when it comes to paying wages this summer. (Blackpool Gazette) Don't think another chairman is going to fall for that, Lee! Maybe time to prove you can "manage" on a budget before expecting another open wallet? What he's working with at Blackpool can't even be classed as a budget. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 19:02:31 GMT 1
Would a chairman wait until reaching the third tier before spending?
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Post by In sooth- - on Apr 1, 2015 19:19:37 GMT 1
Oyston is a one-off.
Not really,he is the second one-off in the family.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 1, 2015 19:32:25 GMT 1
Too late, see my thread
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 19:41:27 GMT 1
So when managers allegedly lack the 'balls' to speak out and are called 'yes men' on here.............
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 1, 2015 19:57:06 GMT 1
If Oyston is thinking of bankrolling a league one push he would be bonkers if he thought giving Clarkie the dough was going to pay dividends ... History is a great teacher
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Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 1, 2015 20:25:13 GMT 1
Blackpool: Seasiders chairman Karl Oyston has been warned by manager Lee Clark that he can only make the team competitive in League One with a significant spending spree and expects to be backed when it comes to paying wages this summer. (Blackpool Gazette) Don't think another chairman is going to fall for that, Lee! Maybe time to prove you can "manage" on a budget before expecting another open wallet? What he's working with at Blackpool can't even be classed as a budget. Or, to be fair, at Brum either? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 20:34:11 GMT 1
What he's working with at Blackpool can't even be classed as a budget. Or, to be fair, at Brum either? Well he couldn't achieve his goal here, was seconds away from taking Birmingham down and is taking Blackpool down (not sure anyone could have saved them though). Even 3pipe has a hard time defending him these days |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 1, 2015 20:43:10 GMT 1
Or, to be fair, at Brum either? Well he couldn't achieve his goal here, was seconds away from taking Birmingham down and is taking Blackpool down (not sure anyone could have saved them though). Even 3pipe has a hard time defending him these days Clark chose them jobs.... Both were poisoned chalices but his ego got the better of him... He would have been far better advised to try and re establish himself at a lower level after we sacked him Edit.. Establish not re establish |
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Post by terrierfortythree on Apr 1, 2015 20:48:33 GMT 1
will be surprised to see him still there in october.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 1, 2015 21:05:37 GMT 1
Well he couldn't achieve his goal here, was seconds away from taking Birmingham down and is taking Blackpool down (not sure anyone could have saved them though). Even 3pipe has a hard time defending him these days Clark chose them jobs.... Both were poisoned chalices but his ego got the better of him... He would have been far better advised to try and re establish himself at a lower level after we sacked him Edit.. Establish not re establish Not sure they were poisoned chalice jobs at Birmingham and Blackpool. The lack of funding is almost a get out of jail free card for him at both places. Rowett has really shown him up since getting the Brum job. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 1, 2015 21:19:45 GMT 1
Clark chose them jobs.... Both were poisoned chalices but his ego got the better of him... He would have been far better advised to try and re establish himself at a lower level after we sacked him Edit.. Establish not re establish Not sure they were poisoned chalice jobs at Birmingham and Blackpool. The lack of funding is almost a get out of jail free card for him at both places. Rowett has really shown him up since getting the Brum job. I can't agree... The ridiculous politics at both clubs allied to diminishing investment meant that Clark was always onto a loser at both... Sure Rowett has performed a minor miracle but without a change of ownership I can only see brum continuing to struggle... If Clark was truly hungry for success and confident in his own ability he would have taken a gillingham or a burton, backed himself to get a promotion on his cv and get a move to an aspirant championship club... But he didn't... He took the money .. Fair play to him he is earning more than most of us losers can dream about... But it was never going to be more than a struggle for him and from having the reputation of being a new vibrant manager when he joined us he now cuts the figure of a stressed out excuse merchant who will just slide down the leagues till he realises the games up and he gets a job as a summariser on Metro FM |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 21:20:44 GMT 1
Could anyone have kept Blackpool up on £2.79 and an out of date sausage roll? Hardly Clarke to blame here.
How the owners got away with pumping the Premiership cash into their own business is more pertinent.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 1, 2015 21:22:33 GMT 1
Could anyone have kept Blackpool up on £2.79 and an out of date sausage roll? Hardly Clarke to blame here. How the owners got away with pumping the Premiership cash into their own business is more pertinent. Clark ( no e) not to blame but even a hopeless soothsayer as you could have predicted Blackpool were doomed when he joined and he was committing career suicide |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 21:45:27 GMT 1
His time at Blackpool hasn't massively damaged what's left of his reputation, but it's hardly been enhanced either. He hasn't improved them at all. You couldn't back him to get them back up seeing as he'll have a massively more challenging situation than here.
As said above, I'd say his successor's dramatic improvement of Birmingham has been more of a catastrophe for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 0:19:37 GMT 1
The main problem Clark imho (& there are numerous-many depending on your opinion) is that his teams cannot defend effectively enough. He can't seem to identify good players, organise a defense properly or seem to instill a rigorousness in the players that stamps out or at least minimises individual and basic errors. These are consistencies throughout the years at each of his clubs.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 2, 2015 7:27:52 GMT 1
Clarky is still a Town Legend though imo
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 2, 2015 7:47:32 GMT 1
Clarky is still a Town Legend though imo WHAT ? |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Apr 2, 2015 9:35:34 GMT 1
I think I know what Nick means. He was the first manager Hoyle appointed and the first to manage us when we had a genuine chance of promotion, mainly down to Hoyle's backing but none the less we'd gone from being quite a boring team to an exciting one.
He was a manager who was passionate and full of heart. He seemed a geniuine person too. Obviously I wanted Clark to deliver promotion but I really wanted it for him too.
I think the fans bought into him, don't think we'd had that since Jacko and don't think we've had it with Grayson, Robins or Powell. Despite the latter three probably being better at management the Clark.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 2, 2015 14:33:21 GMT 1
I think I know what Nick means. He was the first manager Hoyle appointed and the first to manage us when we had a genuine chance of promotion, mainly down to Hoyle's backing but none the less we'd gone from being quite a boring team to an exciting one. He was a manager who was passionate and full of heart. He seemed a geniuine person too. Obviously I wanted Clark to deliver promotion but I really wanted it for him too. I think the fans bought into him, don't think we'd had that since Jacko and don't think we've had it with Grayson, Robins or Powell. Despite the latter three probably being better at management the Clark. Ok I buy most of that .. so how does it make him.a legend ? |
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Post by impact on Apr 2, 2015 15:25:32 GMT 1
Could anyone have kept Blackpool up on £2.79 and an out of date sausage roll? Hardly Clarke to blame here. How the owners got away with pumping the Premiership cash into their own business is more pertinent. Clark ( no e) not to blame but even a hopeless soothsayer as you could have predicted Blackpool were doomed when he joined and he was committing career suicide Hardly career suicide. Everyone knew thy were going down when he joined so hasn't really affected his reputation one way or another. No lose situation - go down and it was expected, stay up and you're a genius. It's essentially been one long pre-season to work out if any of them are any good or not. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 2, 2015 16:11:12 GMT 1
Clark ( no e) not to blame but even a hopeless soothsayer as you could have predicted Blackpool were doomed when he joined and he was committing career suicide Hardly career suicide. Everyone knew thy were going down when he joined so hasn't really affected his reputation one way or another. No lose situation - go down and it was expected, stay up and you're a genius. It's essentially been one long pre-season to work out if any of them are any good or not. I don't see how you can say he hasn't affected his reputation ? He was prepared to go to manage for a tyrannical chairman in impossible circumstances... Probably because he got ok coin out of it ... But he surely knew when he went there that he was on a loser.... So massive question marks for me about his judgement.. Especially as his last job was doing something similar going to work for Carson yeung.. If I was a potential employer I'd be asking " why does he chase these jobs? .. Does he have delusions of grandeur? " |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Apr 2, 2015 16:59:19 GMT 1
Lee Clark when he first joined TOWN was going to be a very good manager, Millwall in the play offs took him off route and I don't think he has or will get back on track.
His 2 jobs since leaving us were, without the benefit of hindsight, both terrible choices.
Had he kept his nerve after the first play off failure he (IMO) would have made us into an attractive championship team before leaving to bigger and better things at Newcastle.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 2, 2015 17:50:54 GMT 1
Lee Clark when he first joined TOWN was going to be a very good manager, Millwall in the play offs took him off route and I don't think he has or will get back on track. His 2 jobs since leaving us were, without the benefit of hindsight, both terrible choices. Had he kept his nerve after the first play off failure he (IMO) would have made us into an attractive championship team before leaving to bigger and better things at Newcastle. The old Trafford farce showed how far he had to go. Still like him though. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 2, 2015 19:04:56 GMT 1
Lee Clark when he first joined TOWN was going to be a very good manager, Millwall in the play offs took him off route and I don't think he has or will get back on track. His 2 jobs since leaving us were, without the benefit of hindsight, both terrible choices. Had he kept his nerve after the first play off failure he (IMO) would have made us into an attractive championship team before leaving to bigger and better things at Newcastle. It was Dean who lost his nerve after the Millwall play off. Told Clark they needed to toughen up and suggested Alan Alan Lee was just the sort of player we needed to stop us becoming a soft touch. That worked well. He should have played Theo at Millwall instead of Novak. They were frightened of his pace. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Apr 3, 2015 11:18:16 GMT 1
I think I know what Nick means. He was the first manager Hoyle appointed and the first to manage us when we had a genuine chance of promotion, mainly down to Hoyle's backing but none the less we'd gone from being quite a boring team to an exciting one. He was a manager who was passionate and full of heart. He seemed a geniuine person too. Obviously I wanted Clark to deliver promotion but I really wanted it for him too. I think the fans bought into him, don't think we'd had that since Jacko and don't think we've had it with Grayson, Robins or Powell. Despite the latter three probably being better at management the Clark. Ok I buy most of that .. so how does it make him.a legend ? Well it doesnt but he'll always be remembered. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 18:29:29 GMT 1
Blackpool: Seasiders chairman Karl Oyston has been warned by manager Lee Clark that he can only make the team competitive in League One with a significant spending spree and expects to be backed when it comes to paying wages this summer. (Blackpool Gazette) Don't think another chairman is going to fall for that, Lee! Maybe time to prove you can "manage" on a budget before expecting another open wallet? What he's working with at Blackpool can't even be classed as a budget. perhaps, it suits him to be at a club in a mess though so it hides the fact he can't manage |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 18:32:33 GMT 1
The main problem Clark imho (& there are numerous-many depending on your opinion) is that his teams cannot defend effectively enough. He can't seem to identify good players, organise a defense properly or seem to instill a rigorousness in the players that stamps out or at least minimises individual and basic errors. These are consistencies throughout the years at each of his clubs. I just think he's a dreadful football manager. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 4, 2015 18:38:44 GMT 1
Really? you've never mentioned that before.
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