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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 18, 2015 21:28:22 GMT 1
The fans want promotion to the Premier League not League One, what makes him say that? I've never heard anyone say they want League One on here. Quite a few have thrown their toys out of the pram at the fact it isn't easy for us to win all the time in this division- you more than most. Think its fair to say we have a small number of League 1 fans who are only happy if Town are a big fish, able to buy our way to the top end of the division. The Championship is too high for them.
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 18, 2015 21:28:35 GMT 1
The main thing that holds us back in my opinion is Powell's 'conservative' approach, it was in evidence today. I know that sounds crazy given we've scored 4 goals but at times the midfield do not support the attack enough. There was numerous times today where Miller and Wells were isolated in the box on there own. Tweak the style of play fir next season and we could hit the top ten consistently. Wow I think in a lot of games this could be true. But today I think AR's query is not down to CP;s approach, but its actually down to player fitness. I mentioned is against Ipswich, we run out of steam when we play a really intense game like today. Once again today (although very hot) , both wells and miller ran out of steam, as did Gobern (more acceptable as he has hardly played) Championship football is a hard place to play, and player fitness is key
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 18, 2015 21:32:37 GMT 1
The main thing that holds us back in my opinion is Powell's 'conservative' approach, it was in evidence today. I know that sounds crazy given we've scored 4 goals but at times the midfield do not support the attack enough. There was numerous times today where Miller and Wells were isolated in the box on there own. Tweak the style of play fir next season and we could hit the top ten consistently. Wow Wow fucking nowt Ted, its true. The midfield do not support the attack enough. We scored 4 goals today but it doesn't make us a potent attacking force prior to this game we had only scored 4 in the previous 4.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 18, 2015 21:35:18 GMT 1
The main thing that holds us back in my opinion is Powell's 'conservative' approach, it was in evidence today. I know that sounds crazy given we've scored 4 goals but at times the midfield do not support the attack enough. There was numerous times today where Miller and Wells were isolated in the box on there own. Tweak the style of play fir next season and we could hit the top ten consistently. Wow. That was the first thing that struck me about todays game- our conservative approach! LOL Your appreciation of the game matches your appreciation of our financial challenges.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 18, 2015 21:39:27 GMT 1
The main thing that holds us back in my opinion is Powell's 'conservative' approach, it was in evidence today. I know that sounds crazy given we've scored 4 goals but at times the midfield do not support the attack enough. There was numerous times today where Miller and Wells were isolated in the box on there own. Tweak the style of play fir next season and we could hit the top ten consistently. Wow. That was the first thing that struck me about todays game- our conservative approach! LOL Your appreciation of the game matches your appreciation of our financial challenges. I never said today, in the main, its been very conservative. There is a problem for me though with the lack of midfield supporting attack, like I said there were numerous times today when just Miller and Wells were in the box with midfield half way back up the pitch. Fair play to Gobern though, the only time he went in the box today he scored.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 18, 2015 21:42:21 GMT 1
Just bonkers Art.. I have criticised Powell for conservatism in games such as Leeds and Wigan but today we were brave on the ball, expansive, attack minded. We more than matched football wise a team lauded as being one of the best , if not THE best footballing teams in the division.. A team worth tens of millions... To be quite frank we battered them and could have scored seven. Smithies on the other hand didn't make a save and McLaren must have left thanking the footballing gods... If you really think that display was "conservative" Art you need to give up now... Please for your own sanity give up.. You're losing the plot... You're going gaga . Nuts.. Insane in the membrane.... Doolally tap
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 18, 2015 21:46:39 GMT 1
Really, so in an end to end game there were times when our front two were asked to hold the ball up until support arrived? Conservative approach!!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 18, 2015 21:47:02 GMT 1
Just bonkers Art.. I have criticised Powell for conservatism in games such as Leeds and Wigan but today we were brave on the ball, expansive, attack minded. We more than matched football wise a team lauded as being one of the best , if not THE best footballing teams in the division.. A team worth tens of millions... To be quite frank we battered them and could have scored seven. Smithies on the other hand didn't make a save and McLaren must have left thanking the footballing gods... If you really think that display was "conservative" Art you need to give up now... Please for your own sanity give up.. You're losing the plot... You're going gaga . Nuts.. Insane in the membrane.... Doolally tap Smithies didn't have a save to make....but picked the ball out of his net 4 times!! I agree we were the better team but the midfield are so far off the attack at times its untrue....and if Derby are the best team in this league then we aren't that far off because they were poor and that's why automatic promotion is gone for them.
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Post by tockyterrier on Apr 18, 2015 21:50:26 GMT 1
Wow fucking nowt Ted, its true. The midfield do not support the attack enough. We scored 4 goals today but it doesn't make us a potent attacking force prior to this game we had only scored 4 in the previous 4. Yet we have scored more goals than 50% of the other teams in this league, so they must be really conservative and negative in the way they play. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 18, 2015 21:57:43 GMT 1
Just bonkers Art.. I have criticised Powell for conservatism in games such as Leeds and Wigan but today we were brave on the ball, expansive, attack minded. We more than matched football wise a team lauded as being one of the best , if not THE best footballing teams in the division.. A team worth tens of millions... To be quite frank we battered them and could have scored seven. Smithies on the other hand didn't make a save and McLaren must have left thanking the footballing gods... If you really think that display was "conservative" Art you need to give up now... Please for your own sanity give up.. You're losing the plot... You're going gaga . Nuts.. Insane in the membrane.... Doolally tap Remember that polar bear they had at Flamingo Land? Used to just aimlessly traipse round and round in circles around the edges of its enclosure. Its all it knew, all it could do. Take it out of its miserable surroundings and put it in a wide open space of miles and miles of freedom, and all it would do is traipse round and round in the exact same area it was used to. Arts like that. It doesn't matter what you put in front of him, all he is able to do is see something that needs moaning about. Just keep coming out with the same old guff. Today was great, really enjoyed it. To a man we played well, gave absolutely everything in a game that means nothing in reality and totally outplayed a really good side at this level who had everything to play for. Their finishing was tremendous and it earned them a point they didn't really deserve and despite our 'conservative approach' we could and maybe should have had 6 or 7. Cracking entertainment and loads of positives to go forward with.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 18, 2015 21:59:49 GMT 1
After 90 minutes of seeing the conservatives I have just rung Jason McCartney and asked him if he needs any volunteers for his election campaign
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 18, 2015 22:04:59 GMT 1
Just bonkers Art.. I have criticised Powell for conservatism in games such as Leeds and Wigan but today we were brave on the ball, expansive, attack minded. We more than matched football wise a team lauded as being one of the best , if not THE best footballing teams in the division.. A team worth tens of millions... To be quite frank we battered them and could have scored seven. Smithies on the other hand didn't make a save and McLaren must have left thanking the footballing gods... If you really think that display was "conservative" Art you need to give up now... Please for your own sanity give up.. You're losing the plot... You're going gaga . Nuts.. Insane in the membrane.... Doolally tap Remember that polar bear they had at Flamingo Land? Used to just aimlessly traipse round and round in circles around the edges of its enclosure. Its all it knew, all it could do. Take it out of its miserable surroundings and put it in a wide open space of miles and miles of freedom, and all it would do is traipse round and round in the exact same area it was used to. Arts like that. It doesn't matter what you put in front of him, all he is able to do is see something that needs moaning about. Just keep coming out with the same old guff. Today was great, really enjoyed it. To a man we played well, gave absolutely everything in a game that means nothing in reality and totally outplayed a really good side at this level who had everything to play for. Their finishing was tremendous and it earned them a point they didn't really deserve and despite our 'conservative approach' we could and maybe should have had 6 or 7. Cracking entertainment and loads of positives to go forward with. What the fuck are you waffling on about? Its like Robins Indiana Jones analogy. I've given an appraisal on the game saying I enjoyed it. Just out of interest what do you think of Hoyle's admission he wanted a top 10 finish, I he as deluded as the rest of us?
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Post by shatterrier on Apr 18, 2015 22:06:55 GMT 1
Didn't we look good today? The shape of things to come perhaps? Hopefully but we looked good against Watford end of last season too Did you go. Great day out in the sun on the last away day of the season, two teams with nothing to play for and half of their c team in flipflops and sunglasses with boarding cards in their hands. Nothing like today
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Post by benhomly on Apr 18, 2015 22:06:58 GMT 1
After 90 minutes of seeing the conservatives I have just rung Jason McCartney and asked him if he needs any volunteers for his election campaign More fool you for wasting 90 minutes of your life!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 18, 2015 22:08:14 GMT 1
The analogy was spot on ..
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Apr 18, 2015 22:08:17 GMT 1
Remember that polar bear they had at Flamingo Land? Used to just aimlessly traipse round and round in circles around the edges of its enclosure. Its all it knew, all it could do. Take it out of its miserable surroundings and put it in a wide open space of miles and miles of freedom, and all it would do is traipse round and round in the exact same area it was used to. Arts like that. It doesn't matter what you put in front of him, all he is able to do is see something that needs moaning about. Just keep coming out with the same old guff. Today was great, really enjoyed it. To a man we played well, gave absolutely everything in a game that means nothing in reality and totally outplayed a really good side at this level who had everything to play for. Their finishing was tremendous and it earned them a point they didn't really deserve and despite our 'conservative approach' we could and maybe should have had 6 or 7. Cracking entertainment and loads of positives to go forward with. What the fuck are you waffling on about? Its like Robins Indiana Jones analogy. I've given an appraisal on the game saying I enjoyed it. Just out of interest what do you think of Hoyle's admission he wanted a top 10 finish, I he as deluded as the rest of us? Nope, I think the last few games proves him right. This squad could definitely have finished top 10 if they had just played a few more games this season like they did today, against Forest and Ipswich.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 18, 2015 22:09:45 GMT 1
Hopefully but we looked good against Watford end of last season too Did you go. Great day out in the sun on the last away day of the season, two teams with nothing to play for and half of their c team in flipflops and sunglasses with boarding cards in their hands. Nothing like today He didn't go today either.. Infact he never goes.. .. He just sits on here playing sulky kid .. Come on offtopic you're better than this
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 18, 2015 22:15:07 GMT 1
What the fuck are you waffling on about? Its like Robins Indiana Jones analogy. I've given an appraisal on the game saying I enjoyed it. Just out of interest what do you think of Hoyle's admission he wanted a top 10 finish, I he as deluded as the rest of us? Nope, I think the last few games proves him right. This squad could definitely have finished top 10 if they had just played a few more games this season like they did today, against Forest and Ipswich. I'm glad to hear that he said that he wanted top 10, that should be our aim. Problem is on here if you say you want that, you're 'deluded and not being realistic'. This season, in the main, has been dross, the upturn in form of late has given it a sheen of respectability but due to Powell's conservative approach we've had to put up with some right crap.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 18, 2015 22:15:19 GMT 1
Remember that polar bear they had at Flamingo Land? Used to just aimlessly traipse round and round in circles around the edges of its enclosure. Its all it knew, all it could do. Take it out of its miserable surroundings and put it in a wide open space of miles and miles of freedom, and all it would do is traipse round and round in the exact same area it was used to. Arts like that. It doesn't matter what you put in front of him, all he is able to do is see something that needs moaning about. Just keep coming out with the same old guff. Today was great, really enjoyed it. To a man we played well, gave absolutely everything in a game that means nothing in reality and totally outplayed a really good side at this level who had everything to play for. Their finishing was tremendous and it earned them a point they didn't really deserve and despite our 'conservative approach' we could and maybe should have had 6 or 7. Cracking entertainment and loads of positives to go forward with. What the fuck are you waffling on about? Its like Robins Indiana Jones analogy. I've given an appraisal on the game saying I enjoyed it. Just out of interest what do you think of Hoyle's admission he wanted a top 10 finish, I he as deluded as the rest of us? Im pleased he wanted a top 10 finish. A few weeks ago when we were 12th it looked on the cards too but sadly not to be. Thats a very big chunk of progress to hope for and it looks like he'll have to settle for a bit less. Maybe he'll have a tantrum that we haven't managed it and slag off every aspect of the club to anyone unlucky enough to hear him ? And then demand that you give him all your money so he can spend it on more players?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 22:31:53 GMT 1
Nope, I think the last few games proves him right. This squad could definitely have finished top 10 if they had just played a few more games this season like they did today, against Forest and Ipswich. I'm glad to hear that he said that he wanted top 10, that should be our aim. Problem is on here if you say you want that, you're 'deluded and not being realistic'. This season, in the main, has been dross, the upturn in form of late has given it a sheen of respectability but due to Powell's conservative approach we've had to put up with some right crap. Never mind top ten, I want Town to win the league. That's different from expecting it, crying and acting like the sky is falling in if it isn't going to happen, then demanding someone else throw more of their money at it on the off chance it might work. Been some of your worst posts on this thread. Who else would concentrate on the negatives after a game (a meaningless one as well) like that?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 18, 2015 23:00:53 GMT 1
I'm glad to hear that he said that he wanted top 10, that should be our aim. Problem is on here if you say you want that, you're 'deluded and not being realistic'. This season, in the main, has been dross, the upturn in form of late has given it a sheen of respectability but due to Powell's conservative approach we've had to put up with some right crap. Never mind top ten, I want Town to win the league. That's different from expecting it, crying and acting like the sky is falling in if it isn't going to happen, then demanding someone else throw more of their money at it on the off chance it might work. Been some of your worst posts on this thread. Who else would concentrate on the negatives after a game (a meaningless one as well) like that? Not concentrating on the negatives, merely pointing out that we need to bd more attacking next season. Just cos we've scored 4 goals in one game doesn't mean all of a sudden we're a potent attacking force.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 19, 2015 0:22:28 GMT 1
Never mind top ten, I want Town to win the league. That's different from expecting it, crying and acting like the sky is falling in if it isn't going to happen, then demanding someone else throw more of their money at it on the off chance it might work. Been some of your worst posts on this thread. Who else would concentrate on the negatives after a game (a meaningless one as well) like that? Not concentrating on the negatives, merely pointing out that we need to bd more attacking next season. Just cos we've scored 4 goals in one game doesn't mean all of a sudden we're a potent attacking force. No, course you're not. Keep plodding round and round Mr Bear.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 19, 2015 0:47:06 GMT 1
Never mind top ten, I want Town to win the league. That's different from expecting it, crying and acting like the sky is falling in if it isn't going to happen, then demanding someone else throw more of their money at it on the off chance it might work. Been some of your worst posts on this thread. Who else would concentrate on the negatives after a game (a meaningless one as well) like that? Not concentrating on the negatives, merely pointing out that we need to bd more attacking next season. Just cos we've scored 4 goals in one game doesn't mean all of a sudden we're a potent attacking force. We create the chances but we should be converting a greater percentage of them. Here's an interesting stat on chances created in the Championship www.squawka.com/football-team-rankings#chances-created#team-stats#football-league-championship|season-2014/2015#0#90#any#any#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#totalDon't tell Oti but it appears we do a bit better than Rotherham
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 19, 2015 1:02:30 GMT 1
Hopefully but we looked good against Watford end of last season too Derby had a bit more to play for though. We've looked good since Birmingham away in terms of effort and tempo.
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Post by H7 on Apr 19, 2015 1:57:03 GMT 1
That is an incredible stat I never would have thought that... Shows we are so close just need the end product as the other 4 teams in the top 5 there are going for autos and playoffs.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 19, 2015 3:19:03 GMT 1
That is an incredible stat I never would have thought that... Shows we are so close just need the end product as the other 4 teams in the top 5 there are going for autos and playoffs. It kinda smacks in the face of the boring negative football with which Powell is repeatedly accused.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Apr 19, 2015 7:33:53 GMT 1
West Yorkshire Sport ?@wysdaily 6m6 minutes ago Key notes from Dean Hoyle #htafc fan Q&A session: Ross Wilson will be replaced. Confident of success next season if get recruitment right. Felt this squad should have finished higher this season, wanted 10th place. Says won't sell any players they don't want to this summer & wants to keep squad together. Not sure what fans want - winning in league 1 or battling to establish in championship. I would agree with that last comment. I think some fans would prefer to win every game a division below. I prefer our current situation by a mile You are absolutely right and then I suppose they will also want to forfeit promotion having won every game and be Champions of League One each year.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Apr 19, 2015 7:51:40 GMT 1
The fans want promotion to the Premier League not League One, what makes him say that? I've never heard anyone say they want League One on here. Even though you have never "heard" it said, that does not mean that it has never "been" said. The reality is that perhaps it has never been said per se but I think many have the impression that there a core of supporters who "think" that or are saying it in a round about way and would rather be winning week in week out in League One rather than struggling or under performing in the Championship. You are quite right that our aspirations and ambitions should be to attain Premier League status. Bournemouth are demonstrating that it is achievable, although I am not convinced that their continued performance will be financially sustainable. This is the cornerstone of the tenure of DH. He wants to make the club financially sustainable ad infinitum, unfortunately finances can be some times be directly linked to performances, which over the seasons we have been in the Championship have not yet materialised on a consistent basis. We should not forget as well that good Cup runs while providing much needed additional finances also bring about a better esprit de corps amongst the players. Maybe the recent upturn is a sign of a change, only time will tell but based on recent performances I think there is reason to be optimistic and it will all depend on who we are able to recruit during the close season and making the JSS a fortress. Hopefully this will be assisted by the use of the South Stand where fans can make better use of the acoustics to ramp up the atmosphere and of course also get into the ear of the opposition goalkeeper when he defending the South Stand goal, it is about time we made it stadium where opposition teams do no want to come to and particularly goalies.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Apr 19, 2015 7:54:42 GMT 1
West Yorkshire Sport ?@wysdaily 6m6 minutes ago Key notes from Dean Hoyle #htafc fan Q&A session: Ross Wilson will be replaced. Confident of success next season if get recruitment right. Felt this squad should have finished higher this season, wanted 10th place. Says won't sell any players they don't want to this summer & wants to keep squad together. Not sure what fans want - winning in league 1 or battling to establish in championship. 10th? Well, maybe if he'd let Powell invest in January, and not just sell, sell, sell. I would hope that the savings from those that left the club in January have being pooled for the close season recruitment. I may be totally wrong but is something I hope may come to fruition
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Post by detox on Apr 19, 2015 8:13:23 GMT 1
Why say 10th,when we could be thinking a sniff around the play-offs...6th or above ?
Two things for me though, for Town to play a higher energy game every game and to get those 1500 fans back who have left us over the past 2 seasons..surely the two will go together. We all respond to maximum effort...and when we do it we look as goodas anyone else in this league..hopefully the summer recruitment will include box to box players..Fitness seems to have been a problem for us this season...and maybe before james goes back to Man Utd he can teach Butterfield how he takes them corners ? I'd maybe sign Miller up too after todays effort...
As an aside, good to see some decent staff in the catering areas yesterday..bright young chicks ...even though £6.70 for a pie and a pint made me wince.. it was worthwhile to see some smiling faces..
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