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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 9:59:08 GMT 1
Watford at home this season So you agree? Watford was 19 games ago. Rofl
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Post by buckers on Apr 16, 2015 11:05:42 GMT 1
Watford at home this season So you agree? Watford was 19 games ago. Haha miss read that thought it said 18 months. If it was 19 games ago then yes I agree that was the last time.
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 16, 2015 11:54:20 GMT 1
Watford at home this season So you agree? Watford was 19 games ago. Ha that was a good guess from myself!!
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Post by trailingleg on Apr 16, 2015 13:05:13 GMT 1
Nobody will be bidding to buy James as the fee and wages would not stack up for any club. Under FFP all clubs need to get max value from signings and the track record of appearances is just not there to justify the outlay. So, from our perspective, we won't be banging down the door of his agent asking him to extend his contract at this point. There is just no point... If you offer him an extension now, it would need to be at least 2 years on top - so 3 years. At this stage, we don't know how many games he will play next year - never mind the following 2 years! There are 2 situations where he will be offered a contract at Town.... He plays 80/90% of games next season without serious injury. Or... He continues as he has done since he signed for us (in and out) - but offers us excellent levels of performance when he does play - but on a small rolling contract at much reduced wages because no one else will take a punt on him! I'd be more than happy to keep him - even if he plays 50% of games. But if that's the case, then Dean will only offer him what that warrants, in terms of salary. I would say that all parties are happy with how things sit at present and next year is crucial for James - in terms of his whole remaining career. Defining. I disagree with this. Lennon was trying to poach him for Celtic season before last when his injury record was already well established. Managers will always recognise top players and persuade their chairmen to part with the money. Hard-working quality forwards and goalscorers will always attract interest and command a price. How do people know what players' wages are? It's hard enough to get Town to admit to a transfer fee (always undisclosed).
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Post by dooky82 on Apr 16, 2015 13:13:12 GMT 1
Those who say get rid, you are clueless. Facts - Top goal scorer 2 seasons in a row Player of the year Better goals to game ratio than Wells for town Massive contribution to 3 survivals
He may only play half a season for us but makes a key contribution and plays like he cares and actually loves football. If we had more like him we would be a lot better to watch and higher up the league.
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Post by dooky82 on Apr 16, 2015 13:14:12 GMT 1
Oh and easily our most influential player since we got promoted.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 16, 2015 13:53:10 GMT 1
Those who say get rid, you are clueless. Facts - Top goal scorer 2 seasons in a row Player of the year Better goals to game ratio than Wells for town Massive contribution to 3 survivals He may only play half a season for us but makes a key contribution and plays like he cares and actually loves football. If we had more like him we would be a lot better to watch and higher up the league. I wouldn't say clueless, but they are awfully quick to want us to get rid when he isn't in our first XI, but then, since when has DATM been the paragon of patience and reasoned thought.
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Apr 16, 2015 15:49:38 GMT 1
Nobody will be bidding to buy James as the fee and wages would not stack up for any club. Under FFP all clubs need to get max value from signings and the track record of appearances is just not there to justify the outlay. So, from our perspective, we won't be banging down the door of his agent asking him to extend his contract at this point. There is just no point... If you offer him an extension now, it would need to be at least 2 years on top - so 3 years. At this stage, we don't know how many games he will play next year - never mind the following 2 years! There are 2 situations where he will be offered a contract at Town.... He plays 80/90% of games next season without serious injury. Or... He continues as he has done since he signed for us (in and out) - but offers us excellent levels of performance when he does play - but on a small rolling contract at much reduced wages because no one else will take a punt on him! I'd be more than happy to keep him - even if he plays 50% of games. But if that's the case, then Dean will only offer him what that warrants, in terms of salary. I would say that all parties are happy with how things sit at present and next year is crucial for James - in terms of his whole remaining career. Defining. I disagree with this. Lennon was trying to poach him for Celtic season before last when his injury record was already well established. Managers will always recognise top players and persuade their chairmen to part with the money. Hard-working quality forwards and goalscorers will always attract interest and command a price. How do people know what players' wages are? It's hard enough to get Town to admit to a transfer fee (always undisclosed). That was a while back to be fair. At that time it looked as though he was stringing games together and perhaps was over his injuries! Time says that this is no longer the case. As per my point, unless he has a season where he plays 80/90%, people will always be sceptical of buying him now - let's face it, he ain't 21 and has a decade of injuries behind him now. Re the salary... It's not rocket science to work out that he is either THE highest paid player at the club - or, at very least, in the top 3 earners. Considering the fact he came from the premier league and Norwich had paid £2.5m for him. If the clubs wage bill is circa £12m (gulp!) - then would you say that £800k of that would be the LEAST amount he would get? If so, then this is £15k per week. No, I haven't seen his payslips and I don't know for sure. But I bet you I'm not far off!
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Post by HTAFC Darren on Apr 16, 2015 16:40:15 GMT 1
I think we should always keep Vaughan as he seems the player who would never stop scoring a handful of goals whatever age
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 16, 2015 17:34:12 GMT 1
Big money departure will be either Lynch or Butterfield, to a so called bigger championship club - Ipswich or Derby or Blackburn. Smithies a possibility but too error prone to command a big fee. Ah the old Smithies error prone myth again. Tell me his last error! Probably about 18 games ago! 1st goal home to Fulham
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 17:53:29 GMT 1
Ah the old Smithies error prone myth again. Tell me his last error! Probably about 18 games ago! 1st goal home to Fulham Can't agree there, went in at waist height with players on the post. No way he could get to that, imo.
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 16, 2015 18:32:25 GMT 1
Ah the old Smithies error prone myth again. Tell me his last error! Probably about 18 games ago! 1st goal home to Fulham Nope I'm afraid that's the man guarding the front posts responsibility.
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Post by COWleySHED on Apr 16, 2015 21:04:29 GMT 1
I hope we hold on to both butterfield and lynch. Smithies has shown a consistency to his game this second half of season that weve not seen before and maybe a club could bid for him this summer, Vaughan is a tricky one can you justify paying his salary when he misses so many matches... first goal this season was boxing day!! on his day he is great so I think we will offer another deal but boy is he frustrating with his injuries
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 23:41:37 GMT 1
Those who say get rid, you are clueless. Facts - Top goal scorer 2 seasons in a row Player of the year Better goals to game ratio than Wells for town Massive contribution to 3 survivals
He may only play half a season for us but makes a key contribution and plays like he cares and actually loves football. If we had more like him we would be a lot better to watch and higher up the league. 2012/2013 - 33 league games - 14 goals 2013/2014 - 23 league games - 10 goals 2014/2015 - 24 league games - 7 goals
At this rate of decline he's on target to score around 4 goals next season, which as you say will be a truly "Massive Contribution"
Vaughan's a bigger sick note than Darren Anderton ever was and we should dump him ASAP, providing we can find a mug who is prepared to take him off our hands.
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Apr 17, 2015 0:13:27 GMT 1
Those who say get rid, you are clueless. Facts - Top goal scorer 2 seasons in a row Player of the year Better goals to game ratio than Wells for town Massive contribution to 3 survivals
He may only play half a season for us but makes a key contribution and plays like he cares and actually loves football. If we had more like him we would be a lot better to watch and higher up the league. 2012/2013 - 33 league games - 14 goals 2013/2014 - 23 league games - 10 goals 2014/2015 - 24 league games - 7 goals
At this rate of decline he's on target to score around 4 goals next season, which as you say will be a truly "Massive Contribution"
Vaughan's a bigger sick note than Darren Anderton ever was and we should dump him ASAP, providing we can find a mug who is prepared to take him off our hands.
Harsh, too Harsh! You can't 'get rid of him' and he is a good player for us. Vaughany has done the best he can physically do for this club and wil continue to do so. He is well paid (very well paid!) and playing champ football. Not going anywhere and performances next year will determine his next contract - he's here for the duration of his contract and is arguably our best player. If you move it back to football.... He's a fucking menace! NOBODY can deal with him when he is fit. He's got it all - great header, pace (not as much as before, for obvious reasons), commitment, aggression, eye for goal, presence...the lot. Good luck James.
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Post by trailingleg on Apr 17, 2015 1:58:44 GMT 1
I disagree with this. Lennon was trying to poach him for Celtic season before last when his injury record was already well established. Managers will always recognise top players and persuade their chairmen to part with the money. Hard-working quality forwards and goalscorers will always attract interest and command a price. How do people know what players' wages are? It's hard enough to get Town to admit to a transfer fee (always undisclosed). That was a while back to be fair. At that time it looked as though he was stringing games together and perhaps was over his injuries! Time says that this is no longer the case. As per my point, unless he has a season where he plays 80/90%, people will always be sceptical of buying him now - let's face it, he ain't 21 and has a decade of injuries behind him now. Re the salary... It's not rocket science to work out that he is either THE highest paid player at the club - or, at very least, in the top 3 earners. Considering the fact he came from the premier league and Norwich had paid £2.5m for him. If the clubs wage bill is circa £12m (gulp!) - then would you say that £800k of that would be the LEAST amount he would get? If so, then this is £15k per week. No, I haven't seen his payslips and I don't know for sure. But I bet you I'm not far off! I'm afraid that we'll just have to agree to differ on the saleability issue, although I do think we would be hard pressed to get a replacement who is better than JV at anywhere near the price of a new contract for him - this would involve both a transfer fee and a salary package. With regard to his remuneration, I still think it's somewhat presumptious to speculate on his salary and then suggest to Dean and the board a means of addressing the issue. How complicated is rocket science? Moreso than brain surgery, or figuring out how to open a tin of sardines without the key?
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Post by dooky82 on Apr 17, 2015 8:48:40 GMT 1
2012/2013 - 33 league games - 14 goals 2013/2014 - 23 league games - 10 goals 2014/2015 - 24 league games - 7 goals
At this rate of decline he's on target to score around 4 goals next season, which as you say will be a truly "Massive Contribution"
Vaughan's a bigger sick note than Darren Anderton ever was and we should dump him ASAP, providing we can find a mug who is prepared to take him off our hands.
Harsh, too Harsh! You can't 'get rid of him' and he is a good player for us. Vaughany has done the best he can physically do for this club and wil continue to do so. He is well paid (very well paid!) and playing champ football. Not going anywhere and performances next year will determine his next contract - he's here for the duration of his contract and is arguably our best player. If you move it back to football.... He's a fucking menace! NOBODY can deal with him when he is fit. He's got it all - great header, pace (not as much as before, for obvious reasons), commitment, aggression, eye for goal, presence...the lot. Good luck James. Who has made a bigger contribution to keeping us in the Championship?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 9:02:50 GMT 1
Harsh, too Harsh! You can't 'get rid of him' and he is a good player for us. Vaughany has done the best he can physically do for this club and wil continue to do so. He is well paid (very well paid!) and playing champ football. Not going anywhere and performances next year will determine his next contract - he's here for the duration of his contract and is arguably our best player. If you move it back to football.... He's a fucking menace! NOBODY can deal with him when he is fit. He's got it all - great header, pace (not as much as before, for obvious reasons), commitment, aggression, eye for goal, presence...the lot. Good luck James. Who has made a bigger contribution to keeping us in the Championship?Chris Powell
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Post by wtd on Apr 17, 2015 10:02:46 GMT 1
Harsh, too Harsh! You can't 'get rid of him' and he is a good player for us. Vaughany has done the best he can physically do for this club and wil continue to do so. He is well paid (very well paid!) and playing champ football. Not going anywhere and performances next year will determine his next contract - he's here for the duration of his contract and is arguably our best player. If you move it back to football.... He's a fucking menace! NOBODY can deal with him when he is fit. He's got it all - great header, pace (not as much as before, for obvious reasons), commitment, aggression, eye for goal, presence...the lot. Good luck James. Who has made a bigger contribution to keeping us in the Championship? Alex Smithies, arguably.
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Post by wimboterrier on Apr 17, 2015 10:33:05 GMT 1
2012/2013 - 33 league games - 14 goals 2013/2014 - 23 league games - 10 goals 2014/2015 - 24 league games - 7 goals
At this rate of decline he's on target to score around 4 goals next season, which as you say will be a truly "Massive Contribution"
Vaughan's a bigger sick note than Darren Anderton ever was and we should dump him ASAP, providing we can find a mug who is prepared to take him off our hands.
Harsh, too Harsh! You can't 'get rid of him' and he is a good player for us. Vaughany has done the best he can physically do for this club and wil continue to do so. He is well paid (very well paid!) and playing champ football. Not going anywhere and performances next year will determine his next contract - he's here for the duration of his contract and is arguably our best player. If you move it back to football.... He's a fucking menace! NOBODY can deal with him when he is fit. He's got it all - great header, pace (not as much as before, for obvious reasons), commitment, aggression, eye for goal, presence...the lot. Good luck James. Vaughan was absolutely key to us staying up in his first season on loan with us & we needed his style of play so badly to lift our spirits through his physical presence & commitment to the cause. My concerns now are more about what he offers to the team on the pitch when he does play. Clearly the injuries he's picked up while at Town are bound to have knocked his confidence at stages & I'm not sure his style of play is what we need to style of football we are playing at the moment. He is becoming more frustrating to watch & doesn't offer enough to the team. His commitment will only go so far but some of his play & general decisions are poor at best. To say he should be a presence with his stature, his hold up play is nowhere near as good as it should be. This isn't helped by his constant backing into defenders looking for free kicks meaning he's either falling over as the ball gets to him, he ends up giving the free kicks away more often than not & this offers no protection or opportunities to get our team forward. He has very little vision & is completely focused on himself & doing something too creative for his own good. Some of his misses in & around the penalty box are appalling again because he constantly wants to do the spectacular spin or overhead kick. The thing that riles me most is his discipline, the amount of needless free kicks his gives away & the things he gets booked for are totally unprofessional. Personally I would play Miller every time over Vaughan as he offers far more to the team quality wise. Vaughan's best days are well behind him unless he can make some serious improvements.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 12:31:19 GMT 1
Anyone thinking Vaughan is a liability and sicknote should check out Daniel Sturridge's contribution to Liverpool on £150k a week !!
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Post by Marco4 on Apr 17, 2015 13:37:40 GMT 1
Those who say get rid, you are clueless. Facts - Top goal scorer 2 seasons in a row Player of the year Better goals to game ratio than Wells for town Massive contribution to 3 survivals
He may only play half a season for us but makes a key contribution and plays like he cares and actually loves football. If we had more like him we would be a lot better to watch and higher up the league. 2012/2013 - 33 league games - 14 goals 2013/2014 - 23 league games - 10 goals 2014/2015 - 24 league games - 7 goals
At this rate of decline he's on target to score around 4 goals next season, which as you say will be a truly "Massive Contribution"
Vaughan's a bigger sick note than Darren Anderton ever was and we should dump him ASAP, providing we can find a mug who is prepared to take him off our hands.
Looking at Vaughan's appearances as full games is a nonsense given that he's been substituted 31 times for Town (Championship only). Go with minutes played for a more accurate picture. There's a decline this season, sure, but it isn't over yet. 2012/13 - 2644 mins/14 goals (189 mpg) 2013/14 - 1807 mins/10 goals (181 mpg) 2014/15 - 1705 mins/7 goals (244 mpg)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 15:52:46 GMT 1
I think it is a really tough one to be honest. I would like to keep him because I do think he is a very good player when fit, but the question for Town is how much is he worth to us?
We know its a bit of a risk signing him and always have so to me its a matter of how much of our limited budget do we want to risk on him and would he accept the offer?
I am not in a position to know the answer to either of those questions.
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