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Post by hudmat on Apr 16, 2015 15:49:52 GMT 1
Chris Powell is alluding to the possibility of not giving any youth players a chance against Derby.
Personally I feel the future of this club has to be in bringing young players through.
We essentially have 3 meaningless games with no pressure whatsoever on any of our players that take to the pitch. If now is not the time to give them a chance then when is? I have been a supporter of Powell since he came but if he doesn't give any of our U21's a chance then how can he be the right man to take us forward?
If Lillis hadn't brought through Bunn then he would most likely still be in the U21's every week.
It's ok saying that playing them now could do more harm than good, but what good can come from never playing them? Maybe it could do their confidence more harm when they find out they cant even get into these games which mean very little to us.
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Post by stevvy on Apr 16, 2015 15:59:26 GMT 1
Derby still have something to play for, Blackburn and Blackpool don't, so it's more likely he'll give 1 or 2 of them a start in the last 2 games. Might have 1 or 2 on the bench v Derby, but could understand him wanting to in effect try to ward off other teams who are chasing Derby for a playoff place saying "you played a young weakened team and lost, that's not acceptable when there's something left to play for for us and other teams".
Certainly think I'd be pretty peeved if in the last couple of games a team played a weakened team/young team against someone we were trying to catch for promotion for example, lost, and that potentially cost us promotion (in fact in 2001 didn't Barnsley play a weakened team v Portsmouth, Portsmouth won and that contributed to us going down that season, or did they play a reasonable team but seemingly just not try?)
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Post by hudmat on Apr 16, 2015 16:04:00 GMT 1
Derby still have something to play for, Blackburn and Blackpool don't, so it's more likely he'll give 1 or 2 of them a start in the last 2 games. Might have 1 or 2 on the bench v Derby, but could understand him wanting to in effect try to ward off other teams who are chasing Derby for a playoff place saying "you played a young weakened team and lost, that's not acceptable when there's something left to play for for us and other teams". Certainly think I'd be pretty peeved if in the last couple of games a team played a weakened team/young team against someone we were trying to catch for promotion for example, lost, and that potentially cost us promotion (in fact in 2001 didn't Barnsley play a weakened team v Portsmouth, Portsmouth won and that contributed to us going down that season?) Who cares about upsetting other teams though? There could be a lot of benefit to the future of Huddersfield Town by giving some lads experience of championship football. We don't need to flood the team with youth but how about giving one of the lads, eg. Billing a chance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 16:04:08 GMT 1
I'd rather he plays the players who he feels will be playing come early August. Whether they are 18 or 28. When they are good enough, they will play.
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Post by hudmat on Apr 16, 2015 16:06:14 GMT 1
I'd rather he plays the players who he feels will be playing come early August. Whether they are 18 or 28. When they are good enough, they will play. Do you think he would have given Bunn the same chances if Lillis had not? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 16, 2015 16:07:44 GMT 1
3 meaningless games???
I hope that attitude hasn't pervaded the club itself.. It looked at one point as though it might have, hopefully they are turning that right around..
we don't have the money, therefore perception of the club and its attitude are very important for prospective players and prospective investment partners..or we end up with options on journeymen looking for a club and a wage..
3 good performances and 3 wins might well be more important for our 'present' rather than looking further ahead to our 'future'...
Lets win football matches with a settled side and see if we can introduce squad players naturally....
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Post by benmsmith4 on Apr 16, 2015 16:09:43 GMT 1
I'd rather he plays the players who he feels will be playing come early August. Whether they are 18 or 28. When they are good enough, they will play.How are we going to find out if they're good enough if they don't get games? How are they supposed to get good enough if they don't get games? Chicken or the egg scenario. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Apr 16, 2015 16:18:46 GMT 1
Don't want to watch Town play when we physically can't compete,as Mel Smooth says they will play when they are ready to play and this is not the time. Move On . This is a results driven game losses with young kids do not bring supporters through the gate.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 16, 2015 16:23:02 GMT 1
we are unbeaten in a few games, the season has been very much up and down but at some point we have to get into a settled team and a way of playing that suits us, why cant that be now?  consistency or the lack of it has been a theme running through this site since august??? we have it to an extent now with 3 games left to really push it through.. we then have summer to sort out any changes required and then 46 games again for the youngsters or any additions we make to 'come through' via all the normal routes into the first team.. ie;; 1. injuries 2. suspensions 3. lack of form 4. being so outstanding in training and development games or on loan that you cant be ignored anymore.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 16:28:26 GMT 1
I'd rather he plays the players who he feels will be playing come early August. Whether they are 18 or 28. When they are good enough, they will play.How are we going to find out if they're good enough if they don't get games? How are they supposed to get good enough if they don't get games? Chicken or the egg scenario. What I'm saying is, if the manager (and coaching staff of which there are many) deem them good enough to be competitive at this level, then they should play them. I'm sure they've seen enough football to know a player when they see one. Jake Charles looked anxious when he came on a few weeks back, and he's one of the best prospects we've got at that age group. He certainly didn't look like a player that would step in seamlessly into a competitive championship starting line up. I know they have to be given a chance if they've earned it, but the coaches have to be 100% sure that they are ready. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 16:29:31 GMT 1
3 meaningless games??? I hope that attitude hasn't pervaded the club itself.. It looked at one point as though it might have, hopefully they are turning that right around.. we don't have the money, therefore perception of the club and its attitude are very important for prospective players and prospective investment partners..or we end up with options on journeymen looking for a club and a wage.. 3 good performances and 3 wins might well be more important for our 'present' rather than looking further ahead to our 'future'... Lets win football matches with a settled side and see if we can introduce squad players naturally.... Agree. I want to see us compete wit Derby with the players that have earned that right. |
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Post by benmsmith4 on Apr 16, 2015 16:33:04 GMT 1
How are we going to find out if they're good enough if they don't get games? How are they supposed to get good enough if they don't get games? Chicken or the egg scenario. What I'm saying is, if the manager (and coaching staff of which there are many) deem them good enough to be competitive at this level, then they should play them. I'm sure they've seen enough football to know a player when they see one. Jake Charles looked anxious when he came on a few weeks back, and he's one of the best prospects we've got at that age group. He certainly didn't look like a player that would step in seamlessly into a competitive championship starting line up. I know they have to be given a chance if they've earned it, but the coaches have to be 100% sure that they are ready. I see your point, its an interesting debate. It's just that for me seeing some young players come on at this point in the season (given our situation) is much more of an incentive to go than us possibly winning (given that any win now is pretty meaningless). Plus it must almost feel like a 'if not now, when?' for some of the young lads. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 16:33:07 GMT 1
I'd rather he plays the players who he feels will be playing come early August. Whether they are 18 or 28. When they are good enough, they will play. Do you think he would have given Bunn the same chances if Lillis had not? Why not? He gave Wallace enough games this season and he's younger than Bunn. let's not forget the emergence of Smith too. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 16, 2015 16:37:45 GMT 1
Derby still have something to play for, Blackburn and Blackpool don't, so it's more likely he'll give 1 or 2 of them a start in the last 2 games. Might have 1 or 2 on the bench v Derby, but could understand him wanting to in effect try to ward off other teams who are chasing Derby for a playoff place saying "you played a young weakened team and lost, that's not acceptable when there's something left to play for for us and other teams". Certainly think I'd be pretty peeved if in the last couple of games a team played a weakened team/young team against someone we were trying to catch for promotion for example, lost, and that potentially cost us promotion (in fact in 2001 didn't Barnsley play a weakened team v Portsmouth, Portsmouth won and that contributed to us going down that season, or did they play a reasonable team but seemingly just not try?) Stevvy, with respect .. Why should we give a shiny shit about anyone other than HTFC ? |
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Post by hudmat on Apr 16, 2015 16:40:40 GMT 1
Do you think he would have given Bunn the same chances if Lillis had not? Why not? He gave Wallace enough games this season and he's younger than Bunn. let's not forget the emergence of Smith too. Smith was brought through under Robins I'd say, Wallace and Bunn under Lillis. Just worries me that Powell struggles to find a reason to put any of the academy lads in but justifies the loan signing of Edgar. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 16:42:02 GMT 1
How about we try to win the games?
If there's a chance to throw a couple on for 20 minutes fine but wholesale changes would be wrong for us and Derby's rivals. If roles were reversed we would not like it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 16, 2015 16:43:31 GMT 1
its a good 'argument' to be having after a season like this one and most of the previous 2..
at least its talking about options and possibilities ...
I have seen the younger lads play, albeit in development games but I have seen some of the cup games which tend to be a bit more blood and thunder.. we have some very promising ones who should be making up the 18 regularly next year..some are quite clearly going to get game time because it looks like a smaller squad will be employed..
agreed we do need a mix of our own and imported to continue being able to try and compete here but rushing now is as bad as rushing when we went through a really bad patch, that's all..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 16:49:25 GMT 1
I think it's a different argument against Blackburn or Blackpool who will both have nothing to play for. I still don't think wholesale changes would be a good idea but you could give one or two a start.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 16, 2015 16:52:20 GMT 1
I very much doubt that Chris Powell is unaware of the importance of the academy to Huddersfield Town. IMO he will be just as likely to get the boot for blocking the kids' chances of graduating to first team level as he will be if we have a disappointing year next season.
The only ones who will determine whether they are ready is the academy kids themselves, throwing them in too early can IMO be just as detrimental as delaying their progression.
I would play some of the kids in the next 3 games but the Blackburn game is the most preferable, I don't think we'd learn much by playing them on 'that' pitch at Blackpool and Derby are very formidable opponents who, if they get in front will not ease off at all, and with a heavy loss we may leave the kids a little disheartened if they barely get a kick in a game that means so much to Derby and others at the top end of the table.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Apr 16, 2015 17:02:32 GMT 1
Think if we all knew that these lads were going out on loan next season to decent clubs there wouldn't me much of an argument.
Think that's a decent compromise between those who want to see them and those that are reluctant.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 16, 2015 17:05:05 GMT 1
I really hope that the use of the academy kids in the last 3 games does not become a stick to beat Powell with, in the similar way that every substitution he makes is the most importance aspect of his management to some on here.
Chris Powell's livelihood depends on these decisions and its so easy to second guess his subs, we lose a 2-0 lead at Rotherham, and he was castigated for not shutting up shop, we win at home to Ipswich and away at Forest and there are claims that he is too negative by sacrificing a striker to strengthen the midfield with about 10 mins to go.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 16, 2015 17:11:41 GMT 1
How about we try to win the games? If there's a chance to throw a couple on for 20 minutes fine but wholesale changes would be wrong for us and Derby's rivals. If roles were reversed we would not like it. Why does blooding some youth mean we have less chance of winning games .. As observed at Brighton a few of the senior pros will be pumping up their beach balls |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 17:18:15 GMT 1
Why not? He gave Wallace enough games this season and he's younger than Bunn. let's not forget the emergence of Smith too. Smith was brought through under Robins I'd say, Wallace and Bunn under Lillis. Just worries me that Powell struggles to find a reason to put any of the academy lads in but justifies the loan signing of Edgar. Just pointing out the youth already in the squad. Edgar brought in as an experienced, at this level stopgap short term. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 17:22:16 GMT 1
black saturday for the kids
some kids will play against Blackburn
and more against Blackpool
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 17:24:36 GMT 1
We essentially have 3 meaningless games They aren't meaningless at all. Everytime that shirt is worn and fans are paying money, it matters. Every single time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 17:31:21 GMT 1
doesn't anyone want to finish above the Leeds Circus?? I do,,,play our strongest team in every game imo
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 16, 2015 17:34:29 GMT 1
How about we try to win the games? If there's a chance to throw a couple on for 20 minutes fine but wholesale changes would be wrong for us and Derby's rivals. If roles were reversed we would not like it. Why does blooding some youth mean we have less chance of winning games .. As observed at Brighton a few of the senior pros will be pumping up their beach balls I observed that they weren't pumping up the beach balls at Brighton and put in a decent shift - just outmanoeuvred. However, we want to see what the youngsters are like at a competitive level so giving one or two some game time v Derby, and even more v Blackburn. I'd be careful v Blackpool on that cabbage patch though. Lynch, Vaughan and Butterfield in cotton wool. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 16, 2015 17:38:32 GMT 1
doesn't anyone want to finish above the Leeds Circus?? I do,,,play our strongest team in every game imo This. But maybe loosen up a bit with the subs. Maybe try one or two before 80 minutes? |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 16, 2015 18:22:34 GMT 1
Why does blooding some youth mean we have less chance of winning games .. As observed at Brighton a few of the senior pros will be pumping up their beach balls I observed that they weren't pumping up the beach balls at Brighton and put in a decent shift - just outmanoeuvred. However, we want to see what the youngsters are like at a competitive level so giving one or two some game time v Derby, and even more v Blackburn. I'd be careful v Blackpool on that cabbage patch though. Lynch, Vaughan and Butterfield in cotton wool. I agree - think it's a bit insulting to suggest they didn't put effort in - they worked hard to carry out a plan, however tedious the result was, and I'm sure Joel Lynch who took a shot in the face in the last couple of minutes didn't think he was on a beach. (Thinking about it, this is that bloody epsomterrier venting his frustration and his journey was about 50 miles!) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 18:28:37 GMT 1
doesn't anyone want to finish above the Leeds Circus?? I do,,,play our strongest team in every game imo This. But maybe loosen up a bit with the subs. Maybe try one or two before 80 minutes? I think just one of these would do for me.  |
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