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Post by htfctx on Apr 18, 2015 4:49:52 GMT 1
Social Engineering has the same unintended consequences as a free majority opinion. "Best laid plans of mice and men". Different demographics spit the dummy out.
for example
Did you know....41% of pregnancies in New York State are aborted....
Did you know....since Rowe v Wade ....without any increase in Police funding....Heinous Violent Crime, has dropped, in the USA by 50%..... Why?
Read the answer in "Freakonomics" by University of Chicago School of Economics Steven Levitt.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 18, 2015 12:42:44 GMT 1
I don't see any evidence at all that owners don't give their managers jobs to the person they think will do the best job, regardless of colour or nationality , or even being from Battyeford etc Wheres the evidence that they aren't judging people on their own merits? The Rooney rule gives people an advantage, not on their merits, but on their skin colour. I don't like the term 'positive discrimination' , because its been invented to somehow justify what it is- discrimination. Nothing more , nothing less. You don;'t fight perceived racism, by introducing racism. The Rooney rule is used in American football to redress the balance where something like 70% of the sport was black in ethinicity but very few non whites were in the higher posiions with NFL teams. It has been deemed a success and even broadened to include assistant coaches position. No-one speaks ill of it in NFL terms. In Football in the UK it is different because we need more non white (particularly ex players) people to take their badges and start the coaching ladder as everyone has stated every position should be filled with the best applicant THIS IS NOT THE ARGUMENT and the Rooney rule within the NFL abides by this caveat. It's sad that in the UK it comes down to the John Barnes' and Paul Ince's of the world to complain about their lack of opportunities when both have failed in at least 2 managerial posts. The Sol Campbell's don't even think they need to have the badges to advance their post playing careers. Until there are better role models for black coaches and managers to follow then I don't think the situation will improve.It was the NFL that identified their race issue and introduced the Rooney rule to redress what they felt was an imbalance at the most senior positions within their organisation. 'Positive discrimination' at the interview level in the NFL is used to redress the 'negative discrimination' that it felt was present within it's past. Couple of points- Why do 'we need' more black managers? If they want to do it, then fine, if they don't, then also fine. I don't see that we 'need' to set ourselves quotas that represent this and that. All we 'need' is the best candidate getting each job in the view of the owner- which is what we have IMO. If by 'the situation improving' , you mean more black managers, then it is improving surely. 20 years ago how many were there? How many clubs had had a black manager? Practically none. Now over a third of clubs have had a black manager and no doubt in 20 years time that figure will be much higher still and there won't be many clubs who haven't. We don't need to introduce racist discrimination to get there, it will happen naturally and it IS happening naturally. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 18, 2015 14:51:40 GMT 1
The Rooney rule is used in American football to redress the balance where something like 70% of the sport was black in ethinicity but very few non whites were in the higher posiions with NFL teams. It has been deemed a success and even broadened to include assistant coaches position. No-one speaks ill of it in NFL terms. In Football in the UK it is different because we need more non white (particularly ex players) people to take their badges and start the coaching ladder as everyone has stated every position should be filled with the best applicant THIS IS NOT THE ARGUMENT and the Rooney rule within the NFL abides by this caveat. It's sad that in the UK it comes down to the John Barnes' and Paul Ince's of the world to complain about their lack of opportunities when both have failed in at least 2 managerial posts. The Sol Campbell's don't even think they need to have the badges to advance their post playing careers. Until there are better role models for black coaches and managers to follow then I don't think the situation will improve.It was the NFL that identified their race issue and introduced the Rooney rule to redress what they felt was an imbalance at the most senior positions within their organisation. 'Positive discrimination' at the interview level in the NFL is used to redress the 'negative discrimination' that it felt was present within it's past. Couple of points- Why do 'we need' more black managers? If they want to do it, then fine, if they don't, then also fine. I don't see that we 'need' to set ourselves quotas that represent this and that. All we 'need' is the best candidate getting each job in the view of the owner- which is what we have IMO. If by 'the situation improving' , you mean more black managers, then it is improving surely. 20 years ago how many were there? How many clubs had had a black manager? Practically none. Now over a third of clubs have had a black manager and no doubt in 20 years time that figure will be much higher still and there won't be many clubs who haven't. We don't need to introduce racist discrimination to get there, it will happen naturally and it IS happening naturally. To the point where we no longer have to read these press stories. |
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Post by upthetown on Apr 18, 2015 19:04:35 GMT 1
To answer the thread subject question. No, black managers are not a myth. Town even have one!
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Post by iknownowt on Apr 19, 2015 22:18:17 GMT 1
To become a referee at football League level, you have to start at the bottom - District league level.
There has been a shortage of referees at this level for years and much effort has been made to get recruits of all types and there certainly has been no barrier to black referees
What is the percentage of black referees at Football League level and has anyone heard any publicity about it
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 19, 2015 22:31:32 GMT 1
arse covering, thrown together cover story....half a team with absolutely 'nothing' to bother turning out for..
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Post by Marco4 on Apr 20, 2015 6:21:11 GMT 1
You wonder (or I do) where Keith Alexander's career might have taken him. He always seemed a fine manager as well as a fine man; would have been a good rôle model.
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 1, 2015 9:23:50 GMT 1
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