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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 13, 2016 9:24:08 GMT 1
Wouldn't we have finished above Leeds last season if we had gone on to win at Blackpool? Blame the Blackpool fans ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 9:36:18 GMT 1
why don't you all admit it,Datm posters love Leeds,its obsessive,,,, I mean obvious, or do I?
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Post by dugnet on Apr 13, 2016 9:48:01 GMT 1
We've taken approx 1.25 points per game under Wagner this season since his first game at Sheff Wed. We'd taken 1pt/game under Powell up to him getting sacked after Reading away. This is with the same group of players by and large and Wagner had far less input into those players being here than Powell. That's also without a preseason for him to get his ideas and fitness demands across - he's had to do that whilst preparing them for games. Fitness has improved but still not to the level where Wagner is happy. At the same time, he's tried to implement a complete and utter footballing philosophy change whilst settling into a new country/footballing culture without much knowledge at all of his opponents. We're also working under probably the fourth lowest budget in the league (Mk,Preston and Rotherham the only lower payers I would have thought). If you can't see the shoots of progression this season then I don't know what you've been watching. The table may not have changed much in so far as the position goes, but the future outlook looks a hell of a lot more positive as does the product on the pitch. Equally, we'll still have one of the smaller budgets in the league next year so for Wagner to get us near the top half would be a fantastic achievement - for balance, I think Grayson's achievements with Preston this year have been outstanding, but I'll be surprised if they maintain that level of over-achievement next season. We are on the right path, or at least seem to be. Leeds being in turmoil is irrelevant - their expectations as a club as to where they should be in the grand scheme of things are much higher than ours - and rightly so as they are a bigger club with double the support, pay bigger wages, have a (on paper) much more valuable squad than us. Them being in turmoil allows us to be in their vicinity in the table - if they weren't in turmoil, then we'd be nowhere near them without massive over-achievement. Excellent post. As for this... If the progression bar really is finishing above leeds for most of you then that is so sad. Nobody is using finishing above Leeds as our progression monitor. If you have loads of Leeds mates always giving you grief then it would just be nice for once to be able to put them in their place. I don't need to finish above Leeds to tell me what massive strides we are making as a club... I already know that. These posts sum up our position very well. Every season we have been in the Championship the quality has subtly changed and the funds available to some have been significantly more. Our baseline position has remained essentially unaltered, it should not be forgotten that this season we have not re-invested transfer monies in our squad to any great extent. For most progress is judged by games won, on that basis we have been largely static for 4 seasons - whether you think that is acceptable or not is an entirely different debate for another thread. For me this season has seen a real shift change in focus in really trying to do the best we can with the resources we can generate. If I was being harsh the previous 3 seasons have paid lip service to this aim, now there is a real energy again at the club which is similar to when DH took the reigns. That does not mean that we will be successful, indeed there is another debate about what success is? But it does mean we are now trying to move forward and there is a belief and passion at the club that certainly wasn't evident last season, that for me is progress. I think the change of Winter for Clibbens is also one that is looking to add a new dimension to the club and inject some fresh energy. I have no negative opinion of Clibbens but we now have a man with a true CEO footballing track record of success, the fact he has a natural affiliation to the club is merely a bonus. David Wagner himself is significant progress, his energy, his honesty, his belief, his enthusiasm and his desire to be as good as he can be is immensely refreshing. Post match interviews are accurate, honest, realistic and positive - our last two managerial incumbents, as decent blokes as they were, were either dour, defeatist, resigned and, in one case particularly, utterly bizarre. Bottom line DW is a breath of fresh air, long may his positive influence last. There is also an inevitability with Town, there will be some who thrive on the negative - I call it Townitis - they love to moan and revel in the negative at every turn - if this reduces that would be a measure of progress...I am being entirely facetious of course. As for Beeston....as much as we might not like it there is an inevitability that they will bounce back one day, sadly they are too big not to. That said the people of have managed them have collectively got them into such an awful mess that recovery will not be easy. For me I love beating them, despise their arrogance/entitlement (whether they like it our not our historical roll of honours is highly comparable to theirs) and if we had a season in the sun where we truly looked down on them I would love it. But, in the grand scheme of things they, and other teams, are of minimal significance in my support of Town. Long may the "progress" and feel good factor continue... UTT
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Post by wtd on Apr 13, 2016 10:22:14 GMT 1
Excellent post. As for this... Nobody is using finishing above Leeds as our progression monitor. If you have loads of Leeds mates always giving you grief then it would just be nice for once to be able to put them in their place. I don't need to finish above Leeds to tell me what massive strides we are making as a club... I already know that. These posts sum up our position very well. Every season we have been in the Championship the quality has subtly changed and the funds available to some have been significantly more. Our baseline position has remained essentially unaltered, it should not be forgotten that this season we have not re-invested transfer monies in our squad to any great extent. For most progress is judged by games won, on that basis we have been largely static for 4 seasons - whether you think that is acceptable or not is an entirely different debate for another thread. For me this season has seen a real shift change in focus in really trying to do the best we can with the resources we can generate. If I was being harsh the previous 3 seasons have paid lip service to this aim, now there is a real energy again at the club which is similar to when DH took the reigns. That does not mean that we will be successful, indeed there is another debate about what success is? But it does mean we are now trying to move forward and there is a belief and passion at the club that certainly wasn't evident last season, that for me is progress. I think the change of Winter for Clibbens is also one that is looking to add a new dimension to the club and inject some fresh energy. I have no negative opinion of Clibbens but we now have a man with a true CEO footballing track record of success, the fact he has a natural affiliation to the club is merely a bonus. David Wagner himself is significant progress, his energy, his honesty, his belief, his enthusiasm and his desire to be as good as he can be is immensely refreshing. Post match interviews are accurate, honest, realistic and positive - our last two managerial incumbents, as decent blokes as they were, were either dour, defeatist, resigned and, in one case particularly, utterly bizarre. Bottom line DW is a breath of fresh air, long may his positive influence last. There is also an inevitability with Town, there will be some who thrive on the negative - I call it Townitis - they love to moan and revel in the negative at every turn - if this reduces that would be a measure of progress...I am being entirely facetious of course. As for Beeston....as much as we might not like it there is an inevitability that they will bounce back one day, sadly they are too big not to. That said the people of have managed them have collectively got them into such an awful mess that recovery will not be easy. For me I love beating them, despise their arrogance/entitlement (whether they like it our not our historical roll of honours is highly comparable to theirs) and if we had a season in the sun where we truly looked down on them I would love it. But, in the grand scheme of things they, and other teams, are of minimal significance in my support of Town.Long may the "progress" and feel good factor continue... UTT Another excellent post... and the bit in bold sums up my feelings towards Leeds perfectly.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Apr 13, 2016 11:15:51 GMT 1
We've taken approx 1.25 points per game under Wagner this season since his first game at Sheff Wed. We'd taken 1pt/game under Powell up to him getting sacked after Reading away. This is with the same group of players by and large and Wagner had far less input into those players being here than Powell. That's also without a preseason for him to get his ideas and fitness demands across - he's had to do that whilst preparing them for games. Fitness has improved but still not to the level where Wagner is happy. At the same time, he's tried to implement a complete and utter footballing philosophy change whilst settling into a new country/footballing culture without much knowledge at all of his opponents. We're also working under probably the fourth lowest budget in the league (Mk,Preston and Rotherham the only lower payers I would have thought). If you can't see the shoots of progression this season then I don't know what you've been watching. The table may not have changed much in so far as the position goes, but the future outlook looks a hell of a lot more positive as does the product on the pitch. Equally, we'll still have one of the smaller budgets in the league next year so for Wagner to get us near the top half would be a fantastic achievement - for balance, I think Grayson's achievements with Preston this year have been outstanding, but I'll be surprised if they maintain that level of over-achievement next season. We are on the right path, or at least seem to be. Leeds being in turmoil is irrelevant - their expectations as a club as to where they should be in the grand scheme of things are much higher than ours - and rightly so as they are a bigger club with double the support, pay bigger wages, have a (on paper) much more valuable squad than us. Them being in turmoil allows us to be in their vicinity in the table - if they weren't in turmoil, then we'd be nowhere near them without massive over-achievement. Great points mentioned. Points per game is a good start and the issue of fitness is again another great point. This season is fast becoming mundane but DW has put a target in place for the remaining games, which gives the team something to play for. UTT
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 13, 2016 22:39:22 GMT 1
How much more can we take? Oh, plenty!
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Post by shawsie on Apr 13, 2016 22:53:18 GMT 1
How much more can we take? Oh, plenty! Another poster mentioned their "sense of entitlement" and i couldnt have put it better!!!!! It doesnt seem to matter whos in charge - its always their fault! Ridsdale....levi....krasner.....bates.....GFH......cellino. Time to face facts leeds........football has moved on. Your away support remains phenomenal, but your home crowds barely top 20k now and the demand from corporates in the city isnt the best - as such you are what you are......a mediocre championship club. Stop bleating and singing your inane champions of europe drivel and accept you are a poor side
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Post by 52bob on Apr 14, 2016 8:37:18 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 14, 2016 10:15:31 GMT 1
What happened to Billys blue and white stripes??
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Post by philincalifornia on Apr 15, 2016 18:04:36 GMT 1
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Post by Barbieterrier on Apr 15, 2016 18:52:52 GMT 1
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Post by jonnyboy on Apr 15, 2016 19:01:52 GMT 1
Cellino has worked a game plan from the start that is this; sit on the club until someone who wants a piece of the premier league money does their research and sees its a big one club city with good potential fan base and history. And they shell out to play the game. He has never intended to invest in the club and would sell it in 5mins for the right offer from some Arab/Russian who's robbed his own country.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 17, 2016 23:18:23 GMT 1
Posted with no comment needed. Hilarious in part
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Apr 18, 2016 2:27:36 GMT 1
There was an old man from Cagliari He bought a team, with fans known for being lairy But when they faced the mighty Terriers He said "Oh sh!t, they'll bury us!" "That Nahki Wells is so good, it's scary!"
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Post by Marshleeds on Apr 18, 2016 6:48:33 GMT 1
Posted with no comment needed. Hilarious in part So it was the crow's fault you hammered us at ER, thought there would be a logical explanation eventually....phew !
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 18, 2016 7:26:43 GMT 1
Posted with no comment needed. Hilarious in part They're in a worse financial state than I thought they were - they've sold all their chairs
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 18, 2016 7:52:22 GMT 1
Posted with no comment needed. Hilarious in part They're in a worse financial state than I thought they were - they've sold all their chairs Or has Otium been unmasked ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 8:01:53 GMT 1
West Yorkshire Sport @wysdaily 1h1 hour ago #lufc owner Massimo Cellino says no approach to Fabio Cannavaro about becoming the next coach....but has spoken to Mourinho and Ancelotti
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 18, 2016 8:14:40 GMT 1
Shame they won on sat, keeps gap at 5. We are the best footballing side but they are a bigger club, just nasty though.
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Post by malhamterrier on Apr 18, 2016 8:29:52 GMT 1
They're in a worse financial state than I thought they were - they've sold all their chairs Or has Otium been unmasked ? The quotes made by Cellino in the interview will provide gems for every Town fan evermore...... "I can be the best a***hole in the world" "You see Massimo Cellino is a mother f***er" "Our fans are so used to eating sh*t" Let's put him in our Marketing Dept now (but obviously on his own we don't want any tribunals......)
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Post by Melc on Apr 18, 2016 8:38:08 GMT 1
West Yorkshire Sport @wysdaily 2h2 hours ago #lufc Cellino also told the Telegraph that he does not like working with English coaches and that current coach Steve Evans talks too much.
He ain't wrong!
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Apr 18, 2016 8:55:08 GMT 1
West Yorkshire Sport @wysdaily 2h2 hours ago #lufc Cellino also told the Telegraph that he does not like working with English coaches and that current coach Steve Evans talks too much. He ain't wrong! Scots hate it when foreigners call them English, so should we be expecting Evans to walk (well, waddle) out the door?
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Post by 66738 on Apr 18, 2016 9:16:35 GMT 1
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Thank god we have Dean at the helm of our ship, because the alternative does not bear thinking of.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 18, 2016 9:28:38 GMT 1
two wins in a row..yorkshire post has them back 'in the hunt'... they had a throw given against them near the half way line 'in error' and conceeded because of it, or they would have won by more? wood is the saviour and will get 20 plus next year.. odd how a week changes everything about leeds united.. we got a draw and and an away win and get a couple of lines, we are now safe and nakhi did ok on saturday.. god preserve us from being a bi polar club, its just too hard to put up with..
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Apr 18, 2016 9:57:13 GMT 1
two wins in a row..yorkshire post has them back 'in the hunt'... they had a throw given against them near the half way line 'in error' and conceeded because of it, or they would have won by more? wood is the saviour and will get 20 plus next year.. odd how a week changes everything about leeds united.. we got a draw and and an away win and get a couple of lines, we are now safe and nakhi did ok on saturday.. god preserve us from being a bi polar club, its just too hard to put up with.. Based on this forum, I'd say we (or some of our fans) ARE bi-polar!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 12:45:58 GMT 1
West Yorkshire Sport @wysdaily 2h2 hours ago #lufc Cellino also told the Telegraph that he does not like working with English coaches and that current coach Steve Evans talks too much. He ain't wrong! Scots hate it when foreigners call them English, so should we be expecting Evans to walk (well, waddle) out the door? The fat **** will get stuck in it !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 12:50:04 GMT 1
Scots hate it when foreigners call them English, so should we be expecting Evans to walk (well, waddle) out the door? The fat **** will get stuck in it ! have you seen him lately? he looks like he's been on the 'lick the gents floor' diet.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 18, 2016 12:53:38 GMT 1
two wins in a row..yorkshire post has them back 'in the hunt'... they had a throw given against them near the half way line 'in error' and conceeded because of it, or they would have won by more? wood is the saviour and will get 20 plus next year.. odd how a week changes everything about leeds united.. we got a draw and and an away win and get a couple of lines, we are now safe and nakhi did ok on saturday.. god preserve us from being a bi polar club, its just too hard to put up with.. Based on this forum, I'd say we (or some of our fans) ARE bi-polar! we are not in the same ball park...we are not promotion material after a win or in need of 6 signings after one defeat.. thats a very large 'swing' to be on... of course never having been champions of europe we dont suffer the same delusional expectations.. and davy aside we have not gone down the 'spiv in charge' route promising many things whilst trousering the cash...
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 28, 2016 12:47:31 GMT 1
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Post by malhamterrier on Apr 28, 2016 15:08:06 GMT 1
The subterfuge is clearly endemic with the personnel Cellino wants to remain in the club (until he changes his mind that is......)
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