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Apr 26, 2015 22:40:42 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 26, 2015 22:40:42 GMT 1
Cos he's a tall bloke and judges the ball in the air well. Just watching Meertesaker. He wins plenty in the air and doesn't jump much either. Thats fine when it works, but Meertesaker is about 5 inches taller, perhaps he can afford not to jump a bit more. Hudson was dominated in the second half because he didn't jump. Can't remember Blackburn dominating much at all? My memory is already dimming but in the second half wasn't Hudson more marking Rhodes with Gestede on Lynch?
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Apr 26, 2015 22:42:30 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 22:42:30 GMT 1
Thats fine when it works, but Meertesaker is about 5 inches taller, perhaps he can afford not to jump a bit more. Hudson was dominated in the second half because he didn't jump. Can't remember Blackburn dominating much at all? My memory is already dimming but in the second half wasn't Hudson more marking Rhodes with Gestede on Lynch? I just meant aerially, I remember Gestede winning quite a few balls in the air against Hudson in the second half
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 26, 2015 22:45:56 GMT 1
Coady would make a good centre back partnered with a aerially dominant one because hes no slouch and is comfortable on the ball. But IMO no way would he cut it next to someone like Lynch, who isn;'t that strong in the air himself. As for you thinking its bizarre people think smithies is one of the best in this division- I think its bizarre that people don't. We could spend a fortune trying to replace him with better and fail miserably. I'll have to agree about Smithies .... He has made himself into a fine keeper and has had an excellent and sound season. He's made the least number of mistakes of anyone in the squad.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 26, 2015 22:49:52 GMT 1
Can't remember Blackburn dominating much at all? My memory is already dimming but in the second half wasn't Hudson more marking Rhodes with Gestede on Lynch? I just meant aerially, I remember Gestede winning quite a few balls in the air against Hudson in the second half Honestly can't remember. Hudson did fine in the first 20. Thought Gestede and Rhodes were poor outside the box .... but excellent in it. Blackburn also illustrate,the "problem" of playing two 20 goal a season strikers ..... it weakened the team so much I thought they were very poor!
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Apr 26, 2015 22:52:44 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 22:52:44 GMT 1
I just meant aerially, I remember Gestede winning quite a few balls in the air against Hudson in the second half Honestly can't remember. Hudson did fine in the first 20. Thought Gestede and Rhodes were poor outside the box .... but excellent in it. Blackburn also illustrate,the "problem" of playing two 20 goal a season strikers ..... it weakened the team so much I thought they were very poor! I agree, first 20 he did well. I thought Blackburn were really poor, so much in fact, if they lose those 2, I think they will be relegation fodder
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Hudson
Apr 26, 2015 23:33:37 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Apr 26, 2015 23:33:37 GMT 1
What i could never understand is why Powell keeps including Hudson in the starting line when surely realising that he is a massive defensive weak link. Town have players in the squad that can match any in the championship ,but i cannot see how the team and results can improve if Powell cannot get the balance right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 23:36:04 GMT 1
What i could never understand is why Powell keeps including Hudson in the starting line when surely realising that he is a massive defensive weak link. Town have players in the squad that can match any in the championship ,but i cannot see how the team and results can improve if Powell cannot get the balance right. Sugy, give over. If you think Wallace or Edgar are better than Hudson, you're off your rocker.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2015 9:12:34 GMT 1
What i could never understand is why Powell keeps including Hudson in the starting line when surely realising that he is a massive defensive weak link. Town have players in the squad that can match any in the championship ,but i cannot see how the team and results can improve if Powell cannot get the balance right. Sugy, give over. If you think Wallace or Edgar are better than Hudson, you're off your rocker. Ive not seen edgar play centre back enough to rate him there ( not sure I have at all in fact, but maybe you have plenty of times). But Id play wallace ahead of Hudson. Ive seen wallace have several really good games this season whereas I don't think Ive been that impressed by Hudson once. They're both prone to a cock-up, but Wallace is quicker and stands more chance of recovering if he does. Wallaces composure and use of the ball is better and IMO hes stronger in the air because he can get his feet off the floor when he jumps. And of course Wallace is a young kid who will ( should) improve over time, whereas Hudson is clearly WAAAAYY past his prime and only going to get even slower and less mobile. Thats what i think and I don't reckon any of that means Im off my rocker!
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 9:53:17 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 27, 2015 9:53:17 GMT 1
Sugy, give over. If you think Wallace or Edgar are better than Hudson, you're off your rocker. Ive not seen edgar play centre back enough to rate him there ( not sure I have at all in fact, but maybe you have plenty of times). But Id play wallace ahead of Hudson. Ive seen wallace have several really good games this season whereas I don't think Ive been that impressed by Hudson once. They're both prone to a cock-up, but Wallace is quicker and stands more chance of recovering if he does. Wallaces composure and use of the ball is better and IMO hes stronger in the air because he can get his feet off the floor when he jumps. And of course Wallace is a young kid who will ( should) improve over time, whereas Hudson is clearly WAAAAYY past his prime and only going to get even slower and less mobile. Thats what i think and I don't reckon any of that means Im off my rocker! I sort of see your point and we are going to have to leave Hudson out at some time. Don't think Wallace is the answer to replacing Hudson though. One of the reasons being that he is left footed and not best suited to play alongside Lynch.
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 10:20:34 GMT 1
Post by ACW on Apr 27, 2015 10:20:34 GMT 1
Can't remember Blackburn dominating much at all? My memory is already dimming but in the second half wasn't Hudson more marking Rhodes with Gestede on Lynch? I just meant aerially, I remember Gestede winning quite a few balls in the air against Hudson in the second half You're right, but Gestede wins aerial balls against everyone - he averages the most aerial duels won in the division. Thought Lynch did well against him on a few occasions though.
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 10:50:56 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2015 10:50:56 GMT 1
Ive not seen edgar play centre back enough to rate him there ( not sure I have at all in fact, but maybe you have plenty of times). But Id play wallace ahead of Hudson. Ive seen wallace have several really good games this season whereas I don't think Ive been that impressed by Hudson once. They're both prone to a cock-up, but Wallace is quicker and stands more chance of recovering if he does. Wallaces composure and use of the ball is better and IMO hes stronger in the air because he can get his feet off the floor when he jumps. And of course Wallace is a young kid who will ( should) improve over time, whereas Hudson is clearly WAAAAYY past his prime and only going to get even slower and less mobile. Thats what i think and I don't reckon any of that means Im off my rocker! I sort of see your point and we are going to have to leave Hudson out at some time. Don't think Wallace is the answer to replacing Hudson though. One of the reasons being that he is left footed and not best suited to play alongside Lynch. No I agree, Im not convinced by wallace either. Just think hes a better player than Hudson now and the difference is only going to get bigger. Right footed, aerially dominant centre back should be a real priority IMO
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 11:37:01 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 27, 2015 11:37:01 GMT 1
I sort of see your point and we are going to have to leave Hudson out at some time. Don't think Wallace is the answer to replacing Hudson though. One of the reasons being that he is left footed and not best suited to play alongside Lynch. No I agree, Im not convinced by wallace either. Just think hes a better player than Hudson now and the difference is only going to get bigger. Right footed, aerially dominant centre back should be a real priority IMO .... and one with some years in front of him rather than behind him.
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Apr 27, 2015 11:58:39 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 27, 2015 11:58:39 GMT 1
If this chump gets dropped to the bench next season who would be a realistic replacement as captain? Vaughan, smithies and Hogg should be the front runners for me!
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 27, 2015 12:17:27 GMT 1
If this chump gets dropped to the bench next season who would be a realistic replacement as captain? Vaughan, smithies and Hogg should be the front runners for me! "Chump"? Bloody hell.
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 12:19:15 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 12:19:15 GMT 1
hudson's a decent player, just needs to be playing in a side on the 'front foot' rather than one that's been 'batten down the hatches' for most of the season.
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 12:31:07 GMT 1
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Post by AndySk on Apr 27, 2015 12:31:07 GMT 1
We've never sorted the defence since we've gone up, even during the lg1 days it was patchy at best (until we got Morrison on loan).
Hopefully the fact that the rest of the squad isnt too bad (especially if/when we sign up Oscar and Ishmael) we might be able to fully concentrate on getting this right in the summer
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Post by AndySk on Apr 27, 2015 12:34:50 GMT 1
Coady would make a good centre back partnered with a aerially dominant one because hes no slouch and is comfortable on the ball. But IMO no way would he cut it next to someone like Lynch, who isn;'t that strong in the air himself. As for you thinking its bizarre people think smithies is one of the best in this division- I think its bizarre that people don't. We could spend a fortune trying to replace him with better and fail miserably. Yeah think Coady would be decent, was steady away at RB on Sat. I wouldnt mind him filling in there now and again but would much rather him in Midfield. Bar a bit of a dip in form a couple of months ago i've been very impressed by him, he links up well with Butterfield and its prob the best/most consistent our midfield has performed throughout a season since the Irons/Gorre days, not sure we should be breaking that up
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 12:50:37 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2015 12:50:37 GMT 1
We've never sorted the defence since we've gone up, even during the lg1 days it was patchy at best (until we got Morrison on loan). Hopefully the fact that the rest of the squad isnt too bad (especially if/when we sign up Oscar and Ishmael) we might be able to fully concentrate on getting this right in the summer Don't agree with that myself. I think we had gone a long way to sorting the defence out last season, but even though guys like Hogg ( this season) and Coady in front of it are better than Hogg ( last season) and Norwood, its gone backwards. Last season we finished 17th in the league but conceded the 16th most goals. This season we're currently 16th but have conceded the 22nd most goals . theres no doubt in my mind that defensively weve gone backwards this season and IMO its largely down to not having an aerially dominant centre back.
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Apr 27, 2015 12:52:43 GMT 1
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Post by terrier17 on Apr 27, 2015 12:52:43 GMT 1
He isn't good enough, too slow, poor in possession and his marking at set plays awful. Isn't he 34 now? If so he's only going to go one way and that's certainly not getting better. He was only 32 last month. 33 now though ;-)
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Apr 27, 2015 13:16:48 GMT 1
Post by AndySk on Apr 27, 2015 13:16:48 GMT 1
We've never sorted the defence since we've gone up, even during the lg1 days it was patchy at best (until we got Morrison on loan). Hopefully the fact that the rest of the squad isnt too bad (especially if/when we sign up Oscar and Ishmael) we might be able to fully concentrate on getting this right in the summer Don't agree with that myself. I think we had gone a long way to sorting the defence out last season, but even though guys like Hogg ( this season) and Coady in front of it are better than Hogg ( last season) and Norwood, its gone backwards. Last season we finished 17th in the league but conceded the 16th most goals. This season we're currently 16th but have conceded the 22nd most goals . theres no doubt in my mind that defensively weve gone backwards this season and IMO its largely down to not having an aerially dominant centre back. I see what you're doing here, you're trying to draw me in to some Gerrard talk, well its not going to happen....bugger
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Apr 27, 2015 13:23:22 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 13:23:22 GMT 1
He was only 32 last month. 33 now though ;-) 'Tis but a number.
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 14:11:32 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2015 14:11:32 GMT 1
Don't agree with that myself. I think we had gone a long way to sorting the defence out last season, but even though guys like Hogg ( this season) and Coady in front of it are better than Hogg ( last season) and Norwood, its gone backwards. Last season we finished 17th in the league but conceded the 16th most goals. This season we're currently 16th but have conceded the 22nd most goals . theres no doubt in my mind that defensively weve gone backwards this season and IMO its largely down to not having an aerially dominant centre back. I see what you're doing here, you're trying to draw me in to some Gerrard talk, well its not going to happen....bugger Gerrard or someone else, it is a fact IMO. Lynch is only 'ok' in the air at best. Hudson is awful. Thats not a great centre half pairing to have.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 17:59:03 GMT 1
Yes I was specially looking for it. He won every aerial challenge with Gestede outside the box - up to them scoring. Then I stopped looking. Later on and for a lot of the second half Gestede was more up against Lynch. LOL I don't know what game you were watching but it certainly wasn't the one i was !! I seriously don't think he beat Gestede once! I was moaning about it to my mate all the way through the game. I think he won at least one Cap'n.
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Apr 27, 2015 18:11:17 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 27, 2015 18:11:17 GMT 1
The Cap'n will be claiming the use of photoshop above he's never wrong tha'knows
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 18:18:02 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 27, 2015 18:18:02 GMT 1
LOL I don't know what game you were watching but it certainly wasn't the one i was !! I seriously don't think he beat Gestede once! I was moaning about it to my mate all the way through the game. I think he won at least one Cap'n. .... and he's off the ground = and I'd say at least 25% of the crowd aren't even looking in the right direction
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 19:14:12 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2015 19:14:12 GMT 1
this might explain the difference in what we saw. To me thats Hudson heading the ball because hes able to get to it , but not beating Gestede in an aerial challenge. When they both jumped for the ball, Hudson lost out every time.
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Apr 27, 2015 19:17:13 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2015 19:17:13 GMT 1
The Cap'n will be claiming the use of photoshop above he's never wrong tha'knows You really are a hypocrite Doc. You got all excited and tried to call me out for something i said, but turned out you were wrong. Get over it mate.
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Apr 27, 2015 19:22:13 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 27, 2015 19:22:13 GMT 1
The Cap'n will be claiming the use of photoshop above he's never wrong tha'knows You really are a hypocrite Doc. You got all excited and tried to call me out for something i said, but turned out you were wrong. Get over it mate. If you say so Captain Is 8 more than 6?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 27, 2015 19:23:25 GMT 1
this might explain the difference in what we saw. To me thats Hudson heading the ball because hes able to get to it , but not beating Gestede in an aerial challenge. When they both jumped for the ball, Hudson lost out every time. LOL Why am I not surprised? If you don't think that is an aerial challenge Captain, then I really don't think anyone can help you.
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Apr 27, 2015 19:24:27 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2015 19:24:27 GMT 1
You really are a hypocrite Doc. You got all excited and tried to call me out for something i said, but turned out you were wrong. Get over it mate. If you say so Captain Is 8 more than 6? Might be in your world if 10 is more than 11 and 6 is more than 12.
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