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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 19:30:27 GMT 1
Post by C.H on Apr 27, 2015 19:30:27 GMT 1
Sugy, give over. If you think Wallace or Edgar are better than Hudson, you're off your rocker. Ive not seen edgar play centre back enough to rate him there ( not sure I have at all in fact, but maybe you have plenty of times). But Id play wallace ahead of Hudson. Ive seen wallace have several really good games this season whereas I don't think Ive been that impressed by Hudson once. They're both prone to a cock-up, but Wallace is quicker and stands more chance of recovering if he does. Wallaces composure and use of the ball is better and IMO hes stronger in the air because he can get his feet off the floor when he jumps. And of course Wallace is a young kid who will ( should) improve over time, whereas Hudson is clearly WAAAAYY past his prime and only going to get even slower and less mobile. Thats what i think and I don't reckon any of that means Im off my rocker! Please do not comment anything like that again !!!! Wallace better than Hudson did you just say that dear me Wallace is the worst centre half I have seen at town since I started going in 94!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 19:38:44 GMT 1
this might explain the difference in what we saw. To me thats Hudson heading the ball because hes able to get to it , but not beating Gestede in an aerial challenge. When they both jumped for the ball, Hudson lost out every time. Come on captain.....really?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 19:46:34 GMT 1
Cant believe some of the stick Hudson gets on here tbh, atleast he's adapted nicely to his role as scapegoat. Must admit I was expecting more from him but still wouldn't say he's been half as bad as many make out. Definately don't believe that our defence is worse (personnel wise) any way, your obviously going to concede more when playing an open game than having 60% possession in meaningless areas.
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 20:33:16 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 27, 2015 20:33:16 GMT 1
Ive not seen edgar play centre back enough to rate him there ( not sure I have at all in fact, but maybe you have plenty of times). But Id play wallace ahead of Hudson. Ive seen wallace have several really good games this season whereas I don't think Ive been that impressed by Hudson once. They're both prone to a cock-up, but Wallace is quicker and stands more chance of recovering if he does. Wallaces composure and use of the ball is better and IMO hes stronger in the air because he can get his feet off the floor when he jumps. And of course Wallace is a young kid who will ( should) improve over time, whereas Hudson is clearly WAAAAYY past his prime and only going to get even slower and less mobile. Thats what i think and I don't reckon any of that means Im off my rocker! Please do not comment anything like that again !!!! Wallace better than Hudson did you just say that dear me Wallace is the worst centre half I have seen at town since I started going in 94!!! I'll bet he's better than half our CBs from the League One and Two days who were up against much weaker opposition. Whether he is good enough for where we want to be is another thing.
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Hudson
Apr 27, 2015 23:57:18 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2015 23:57:18 GMT 1
this might explain the difference in what we saw. To me thats Hudson heading the ball because hes able to get to it , but not beating Gestede in an aerial challenge. When they both jumped for the ball, Hudson lost out every time. Come on captain.....really? Yes really.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 0:05:23 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 28, 2015 0:05:23 GMT 1
this might explain the difference in what we saw. To me thats Hudson heading the ball because hes able to get to it , but not beating Gestede in an aerial challenge. When they both jumped for the ball, Hudson lost out every time. LOL Why am I not surprised? If you don't think that is an aerial challenge Captain, then I really don't think anyone can help you. I can see how you aren't sure what an aerial challenge is, so Ive found you a photo to illustrate it. You'll notice how both players are jumping for the ball ( ie- challenging for the ball in the air- the clue's in the words) , not one player heading it whilst his opponent stands nearby. I hope this helps clear up any confusion on who needs the help.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 0:07:16 GMT 1
Ive not seen edgar play centre back enough to rate him there ( not sure I have at all in fact, but maybe you have plenty of times). But Id play wallace ahead of Hudson. Ive seen wallace have several really good games this season whereas I don't think Ive been that impressed by Hudson once. They're both prone to a cock-up, but Wallace is quicker and stands more chance of recovering if he does. Wallaces composure and use of the ball is better and IMO hes stronger in the air because he can get his feet off the floor when he jumps. And of course Wallace is a young kid who will ( should) improve over time, whereas Hudson is clearly WAAAAYY past his prime and only going to get even slower and less mobile. Thats what i think and I don't reckon any of that means Im off my rocker! Please do not comment anything like that again !!!! Wallace better than Hudson did you just say that dear me Wallace is the worst centre half I have seen at town since I started going in 94!!! Ridiculous statement. You can't have been paying much attention at matches if you honestly believe that Wallace is the worst CB at Town since 1994.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 28, 2015 0:21:49 GMT 1
Wallace has had a few cracking games this season. Hes had a few stinkers too mind, but hes still young. Think hed do well alongside Lynch, but when he has played its invariably been alongside Hudson.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 0:31:33 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 0:31:33 GMT 1
Wallace has had a few cracking games this season. Hes had a few stinkers too mind, but hes still young. Think hed do well alongside Lynch, but when he has played its invariably been alongside Hudson. Probably because he like Lynch is left footed?
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Post by impact on Apr 28, 2015 1:26:24 GMT 1
I see what you're doing here, you're trying to draw me in to some Gerrard talk, well its not going to happen....bugger Gerrard or someone else, it is a fact IMO. Lynch is only 'ok' in the air at best. Hudson is awful. Thats not a great centre half pairing to have. And yet the awful one in the air has won the most aerial duels in our squad nd wins more than he loses. Clearly terrible. Oh and he's 15th on the list of centre backs with most aerial battles won in the championship. Absolutely useless.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 1:48:55 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 28, 2015 1:48:55 GMT 1
this might explain the difference in what we saw. To me thats Hudson heading the ball because hes able to get to it , but not beating Gestede in an aerial challenge. When they both jumped for the ball, Hudson lost out every time. Fair enough then.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 1:49:50 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 28, 2015 1:49:50 GMT 1
LOL Why am I not surprised? If you don't think that is an aerial challenge Captain, then I really don't think anyone can help you. I can see how you aren't sure what an aerial challenge is, so Ive found you a photo to illustrate it. You'll notice how both players are jumping for the ball ( ie- challenging for the ball in the air- the clue's in the words) , not one player heading it whilst his opponent stands nearby. I hope this helps clear up any confusion on who needs the help. This might help...
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 4:23:06 GMT 1
Post by EastCoastTerrier on Apr 28, 2015 4:23:06 GMT 1
Centre half always seems to be a position we struggle with. We find one decent one but never a pair Nathan Clarke & David Mirfin
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 5:00:58 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 28, 2015 5:00:58 GMT 1
Andy Butler and Chris Lucketti (the second time)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 8:08:14 GMT 1
LOL Why am I not surprised? If you don't think that is an aerial challenge Captain, then I really don't think anyone can help you. I can see how you aren't sure what an aerial challenge is, so Ive found you a photo to illustrate it. You'll notice how both players are jumping for the ball ( ie- challenging for the ball in the air- the clue's in the words) , not one player heading it whilst his opponent stands nearby. I hope this helps clear up any confusion on who needs the help. Standing nearby!? They're linking arms! So I find a photo of Hudson dominating and beating Gestede in the air and it's because Gestede couldn't be arsed going up for it? This would have been "stands nearby"
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 8:15:48 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 28, 2015 8:15:48 GMT 1
I can see how you aren't sure what an aerial challenge is, so Ive found you a photo to illustrate it. You'll notice how both players are jumping for the ball ( ie- challenging for the ball in the air- the clue's in the words) , not one player heading it whilst his opponent stands nearby. I hope this helps clear up any confusion on who needs the help. This might help... To bury you with?? What was it Cantona said about seagulls following the trawler? If its really THAT important to you to catch me out, keep up long enough Doc, I might chuck you a sardine. But you'll have to up your game a bit.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 8:20:09 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 28, 2015 8:20:09 GMT 1
I can see how you aren't sure what an aerial challenge is, so Ive found you a photo to illustrate it. You'll notice how both players are jumping for the ball ( ie- challenging for the ball in the air- the clue's in the words) , not one player heading it whilst his opponent stands nearby. I hope this helps clear up any confusion on who needs the help. Standing nearby!? They're linking arms! So I find a photo of Hudson dominating and beating Gestede in the air and it's because Gestede couldn't be arsed going up for it? This would have been "stands nearby" Don't be silly. Gestede isn't even in the air FFS! Thats never seen an aerial challenge. Couldn't be arsed going for it? LOL Just to repeat it again- if they both jumped for the ball ( an aerial challenge) then i don't remember Hudson winning one,.. and I was looking for it.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 10:08:13 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 10:08:13 GMT 1
Unfortunately I can find no photos to prove / disprove what you say. One thing I suspect is if that photo showed Hudson feet on the floor and Gestede jumping to head, it would be used to prove Hudson has "absolutely no spring in his legs at all".
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 10:19:00 GMT 1
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Post by kaykie on Apr 28, 2015 10:19:00 GMT 1
Standing nearby!? They're linking arms! So I find a photo of Hudson dominating and beating Gestede in the air and it's because Gestede couldn't be arsed going up for it? This would have been "stands nearby" Don't be silly. Gestede isn't even in the air FFS! Thats never seen an aerial challenge. Couldn't be arsed going for it? LOL Just to repeat it again- if they both jumped for the ball ( an aerial challenge) then i don't remember Hudson winning one,.. and I was looking for it. U certainly wont find gestede jumping in this picture
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 10:29:07 GMT 1
Don't be silly. Gestede isn't even in the air FFS! Thats never seen an aerial challenge. Couldn't be arsed going for it? LOL Just to repeat it again- if they both jumped for the ball ( an aerial challenge) then i don't remember Hudson winning one,.. and I was looking for it. U certainly wont find gestede jumping in this picture That's true, Hudson proving he has "no spring in his legs", yeah?
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 12:31:54 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 28, 2015 12:31:54 GMT 1
This might help... To bury you with?? What was it Cantona said about seagulls following the trawler? If its really THAT important to you to catch me out, keep up long enough Doc, I might chuck you a sardine. But you'll have to up your game a bit. Don't flatter yourself Slapps! Opinions differ. As a poster with almost 6K posts and one with 18k it's not against the law of averages that we will post opposing views on varying subjects e.g the Rooney and Political topics. If you don't want feel as if someone is trying to catch you out, stop posting complete guff, because if I see a post that I disagree with and think is ridiculous, I will respond by saying so, you know, like one would do on a forum. Similar you might say to you responding if someone posts that Smithies makes too mny mistakes, etc. I mean come on, now you're trying to redefine an aerial challenge. Is Gestede not competing to try to win the ball? that in my mind is a challenge, and it is one that the player winning the ball is jumping above normal head height to win, ergo an aerial challenge.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 12:36:27 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 28, 2015 12:36:27 GMT 1
You think he's not gone physically then Codd? He'll beat a smallish striker in the air still, but if hes up against any decent sized one hes second best pretty much every time. He does read the game very well, and to an extent that gets him by, but if we go into next season with him as one of our centre backs,then I'll be very disappointed, and think we'll be one of the leakiest defences again.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 12:51:33 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 12:51:33 GMT 1
You think he's not gone physically then Codd? He'll beat a smallish striker in the air still, but if hes up against any decent sized one hes second best pretty much every time. He does read the game very well, and to an extent that gets him by, but if we go into next season with him as one of our centre backs,then I'll be very disappointed, and think we'll be one of the leakiest defences again. I don't know why you've taken till now to point out was was said of him when he arrived. That his positional and reading the game ability's made up for his lack of pace etc, his legs are no more gone now than when he arrived. Anyway Gestede will probably be giving Premiership centre backs headaches next season, would I like someone better than Hudson? Of course.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 12:59:20 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 28, 2015 12:59:20 GMT 1
Doc- an aerial challenge is what it says- one that happens IN THE AIR. That photo is Hudson heading the ball ( probably because hes read the situation well and got to it first- the one thing hes good at) . Gestede isn't challenging him in the air. gestede is not in the air. Gestede has not even begun to jump into the air. I didn't say Hudson didn't head the ball in that game and do you REALLY think thats what I meant by 'aerial challenge' ? really? Of course you didn't but you saw the chance to be a catch a sardine eh? I have no issue at all with people disagreeing with me, and i usually enjoy a heated discussion, but I don't know how simple it has to be for you to not find some tenuous way to misunderstand a post? It does seem to have become your favourite past time for some reason- miss reading or not understanding a point so that you can give it the 'Ooooo, look hes got that wrong!!! I'll be all arsey with him about it'. Followed by the standard hypocrisy about not admitting being wrong. Do I really need to make every post like some sort of legal document with a dozen caveats to every point for the sake of the hard of understanding?
The aforementioned player known as Hudson, did not win ,in the sense that to win is to reach with his head towards the ball and direct it in a direction of his will, an aerial challenge, in that the challenge is a competition of achieving said direction of the ball with use of the head that takes place in the air, as in the area immediately above the turf of the pitch, by two or more players who have jumped, defined by the springed movement of the legs to propel the body into the aforementioned air........
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 13:00:40 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Apr 28, 2015 13:00:40 GMT 1
You think he's not gone physically then Codd? He'll beat a smallish striker in the air still, but if hes up against any decent sized one hes second best pretty much every time. He does read the game very well, and to an extent that gets him by, but if we go into next season with him as one of our centre backs,then I'll be very disappointed, and think we'll be one of the leakiest defences again. I don't know why you've taken till now to point out was was said of him when he arrived. That his positional and reading the game ability's made up for his lack of pace etc, his legs are no more gone now than when he arrived. Anyway Gestede will probably be giving Premiership centre backs headaches next season, would I like someone better than Hudson? Of course. been saying it all season codd.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 13:05:19 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 13:05:19 GMT 1
I don't know why you've taken till now to point out was was said of him when he arrived. That his positional and reading the game ability's made up for his lack of pace etc, his legs are no more gone now than when he arrived. Anyway Gestede will probably be giving Premiership centre backs headaches next season, would I like someone better than Hudson? Of course. been saying it all season codd. And as I said it was well documented when he arrived, the club knew his attributes and deficiencies, but obviously decided the pros outweighed the cons.
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Post by AndySk on Apr 28, 2015 13:57:08 GMT 1
I'd also like to post a picture of someone heading a ball as it looks like fun, thanks
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 14:50:35 GMT 1
Post by pixie on Apr 28, 2015 14:50:35 GMT 1
Doc- an aerial challenge is what it says- one that happens IN THE AIR. That photo is Hudson heading the ball ( probably because hes read the situation well and got to it first- the one thing hes good at) . Gestede isn't challenging him in the air. gestede is not in the air. Gestede has not even begun to jump into the air. I didn't say Hudson didn't head the ball in that game and do you REALLY think thats what I meant by 'aerial challenge' ? really? Of course you didn't but you saw the chance to be a catch a sardine eh? I have no issue at all with people disagreeing with me, and i usually enjoy a heated discussion, but I don't know how simple it has to be for you to not find some tenuous way to misunderstand a post? It does seem to have become your favourite past time for some reason- miss reading or not understanding a point so that you can give it the 'Ooooo, look hes got that wrong!!! I'll be all arsey with him about it'. Followed by the standard hypocrisy about not admitting being wrong. Do I really need to make every post like some sort of legal document with a dozen caveats to every point for the sake of the hard of understanding? The aforementioned player known as Hudson, did not win ,in the sense that to win is to reach with his head towards the ball and direct it in a direction of his will, an aerial challenge, in that the challenge is a competition of achieving said direction of the ball with use of the head that takes place in the air, as in the area immediately above the turf of the pitch, by two or more players who have jumped, defined by the springed movement of the legs to propel the body into the aforementioned air........ I had to chuckle as I read the sentence above. You are generally so matter of fact and have used the phrase "how simple it has to be" in your post. Nothing wrong with that as such, yet you are contradicting yourself if you remember the abuse you gave me on the 9/11 thread in "Off Topic". I can't be bothered to re-read that thread but am sure you made me out to be some sort of nutjob for my beliefs whereas you had no problem in accepting that a mainly steel 110 storey building can collapse at near freefall speed as a result of a fire started by aviation fuel which incidentally would have burned out after about 10 minutes! Please try and be consistent. By the way I agree with your point regarding the Hudson/Gestede photograph. Two seconds earlier Gestede may have been 10 yards away from where the ball was coming down whereas Hudson might have been almost underneath. You'd have to see the video of the incident to know whether Gestede had any real chance of winning the ball.
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 15:19:21 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 15:19:21 GMT 1
So just to clear it up if you judge the flight of the ball better than a player that the ball is intended for or out jump them, better positioning etc it doesnt matter? Youve got to share the space and wait for them to jump with you for it to count as winning a header?
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Hudson
Apr 28, 2015 15:46:53 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 15:46:53 GMT 1
Doc- an aerial challenge is what it says- one that happens IN THE AIR. That photo is Hudson heading the ball ( probably because hes read the situation well and got to it first- the one thing hes good at) . Gestede isn't challenging him in the air. gestede is not in the air. Gestede has not even begun to jump into the air. I didn't say Hudson didn't head the ball in that game and do you REALLY think thats what I meant by 'aerial challenge' ? really? Of course you didn't but you saw the chance to be a catch a sardine eh? I have no issue at all with people disagreeing with me, and i usually enjoy a heated discussion, but I don't know how simple it has to be for you to not find some tenuous way to misunderstand a post? It does seem to have become your favourite past time for some reason- miss reading or not understanding a point so that you can give it the 'Ooooo, look hes got that wrong!!! I'll be all arsey with him about it'. Followed by the standard hypocrisy about not admitting being wrong. Do I really need to make every post like some sort of legal document with a dozen caveats to every point for the sake of the hard of understanding? The aforementioned player known as Hudson, did not win ,in the sense that to win is to reach with his head towards the ball and direct it in a direction of his will, an aerial challenge, in that the challenge is a competition of achieving said direction of the ball with use of the head that takes place in the air, as in the area immediately above the turf of the pitch, by two or more players who have jumped, defined by the springed movement of the legs to propel the body into the aforementioned air........ I had to chuckle as I read the sentence above. You are generally so matter of fact and have used the phrase "how simple it has to be" in your post. Nothing wrong with that as such, yet you are contradicting yourself if you remember the abuse you gave me on the 9/11 thread in "Off Topic". I can't be bothered to re-read that thread but am sure you made me out to be some sort of nutjob for my beliefs whereas you had no problem in accepting that a mainly steel 110 storey building can collapse at near freefall speed as a result of a fire started by aviation fuel which incidentally would have burned out after about 10 minutes! Please try and be consistent. By the way I agree with your point regarding the Hudson/Gestede photograph. Two seconds earlier Gestede may have been 10 yards away from where the ball was coming down whereas Hudson might have been almost underneath. You'd have to see the video of the incident to know whether Gestede had any real chance of winning the ball. If you go on the Blackburn website you will find the entire match, only thing is you need Town Player log in details. The incident in question a high lofted ball from the Blackburn left full back position has Gestede jockeying for position with Hudson as it comes down. 21 minutes 38 seconds of the first half for those that can.
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