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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:10:41 GMT 1
I've paid around £360 for my ST in the south stand. I think it's a fair price for it but I'm a bit miffed that I have to pay £1 for moving to the Kilner bank when Leeds and Sheff Wed come. The walk up prices are to high, The club have got this wrong big time.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:18:19 GMT 1
5 of us not renewing next season after many seasons. Personally I will go when promotions are on but that's about it. I will probably watch the local league games a mile further down the road at Leeds road playing fields at the cost of zilch. Anyone else filled the questionnaire in regarding why you haven't renewed? Sad times. What questionnaire? I haven't had one.
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Post by patfield on May 19, 2015 21:28:58 GMT 1
Harrison, I had a letter from Dean Hoyle (Well a standard letter) stating that I hadn't renewed and asking me to reconsider. Unfortunately I'm not in a financial position to do so. Along with said letter there was a questionaire and freepost envelope. Paying £199 last year, transfer from fm lower to fm upper (granted fantastic price, I thought it may be £250 this year but alas it was £304. Quite a hike over 50%) Whilst being in a position to afford this I couldn't afford my sons too . I offered to pay for his but he wanted the dad son Saturday so decided not to bother. Shame really , I'm going to miss it but I feel more sorry for my lad.
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Post by tockyterrier on May 19, 2015 21:31:45 GMT 1
Since we got back in the Championship our home gates have been - 2012/13 Total Av 15,080...away av 1,732...home av 12,348...sc holder..9,500...pay on the day..3,848 2013/14 Total Av 14,212...away av 1,578...home av 12,634...sc holder..9.500...pay on the day..3,134 2014/15 Total Av 13,611...away av 1,508...home av 12,103...sc holder..9,500...pay on the day..2,603 So Clibbens pricing strategy has failed miserably. he introduced the very unpopular match category system to maximise revenues from bigger games, then he heard the moans from the pay on the day fans (eventually) and has introduced a buy before the game discount of £3, so he can still maximise revenue from away fans...but the above stats show declining numbers of away fans...declining numbers of pay on the day fans...and the sum of that is 1,400 less fans attending last season than 2 years ago...even away fans are less... The majority of floating supporters don't know about the offers, they don't look on the website or DATM...when they get to the turnstile is the first time they see the price to get in the ground. Next season they will all be paying a £3 premium...and the logic many here have said is because we want to maximise revenues from away fans ...but away fans average just half of the current pay on the day Town fans... The logical outcome if Clibbens continues with the brainless strategy is there will be no Town fans paying on the day, and not many away fans either..all priced out of attending...meanwhile SC holders who are paying about half the price of a pay on the day fan will be wondering about lack of atmosphere and why Town aren't buying better players... I can makeno sense of any of it tbh... I have to agree on this, don't know early enough if I can go half the time. But certainly not inclined to do a 100 mile round trip on a spore of the moment knowing it will cost £30 to get in. When I was young, it was the atmosphere more than the quality of football that got me hooked. Low crowds = poor atmosphere = lower crowds and getting worse because the kids will be the ones that go elsewhere. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards
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Post by patfield on May 19, 2015 21:35:10 GMT 1
Dont feel part of the club anymore. I feel as if the club are alienating the fans. Surely with making the south stand the priority, they could have reverted the fm lower back to a very cheap stand. As someone has shown earlier the attendances are dropping for various reasons over the last few seasons and can only see a downward spiral. Hope I'm wrong but can also see Dean bailing out.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:36:08 GMT 1
5 of us not renewing next season after many seasons. Personally I will go when promotions are on but that's about it. I will probably watch the local league games a mile further down the road at Leeds road playing fields at the cost of zilch. Anyone else filled the questionnaire in regarding why you haven't renewed? Sad times. What questionnaire? I haven't had one. I think it's only those that haven't renewed. It's all well and good the club sending out emails like this to fans who havent renewed, but they should be asking about the floating fans and why they aren't coming more regular. Reading detox's well written post, it shows that we are losing fans.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:42:00 GMT 1
I m not renewing.It wasn't due to finances.Just due to other reasons.Was going to go to approx half the season.These hike in prices have made me think again.Some folk will say buying a ST would have been the better option ?? and write off half of it because of not being able to go.I now think I will be just going to the odd game here and there. Perhaps it is time to getting comfy in my armchair.Would still have something to say about ticket pricing if given the chance.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:46:14 GMT 1
What questionnaire? I haven't had one. I think it's only those that haven't renewed. It's all well and good the club sending out emails like this to fans who havent renewed, but they should be asking about the floating fans and why they aren't coming more regular. Reading detox's well written post, it shows that we are losing fans. I have had an ST for the last four decades and this is the first time I have not renewed but no query from club as to why.Strange.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:48:42 GMT 1
Dont feel part of the club anymore. I feel as if the club are alienating the fans. Surely with making the south stand the priority, they could have reverted the fm lower back to a very cheap stand. As someone has shown earlier the attendances are dropping for various reasons over the last few seasons and can only see a downward spiral. Hope I'm wrong but can also see Dean bailing out. Pat, although I don't fully agree with everything you say, I do agree with a lot. I don't personally feel alienated. I actually feel more and more connected with the club than I ever have. Maybe I'm slightly biased because of the work I took on with others on the NSL (I'm in a clique, apparently) so I do a bit here and there and love it. I'm happy with the price I've paid for my ST in the south stand although I do feel that the match day prices are a big mistake. I know LOADS of floating town fans who just won't pay them prices and that in turn means they won't see games where they could be entertained which may encourage them to come again and potentially buy a ST the season after etc etc. I think the club are guilty of misunderstanding the current climate. The stats show attendances have dropped, especially the non season ticket holders, so why price them out? Baffling. I think clibbens has a lot to answer to here.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:53:48 GMT 1
This now potential floating Town fan might feel very disinclined to renew ST again.!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:56:27 GMT 1
This now potential floating Town fan might feel very disinclined to renew ST again.!!!! And the more of you that go down that route (and I don't blame you btw) then the more the club needs to wake up and get their pricing correct.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 22:03:33 GMT 1
Quite.The question though is will they?.Answer in all probability NO.
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Post by detox on May 20, 2015 7:26:45 GMT 1
There was a time when I would never miss a home game, but in recent years I've also felt more detached or alienated from the club. Looking back though, many years, I don't recall fans ever wondering about pricing, about commercialism, the match day program, or wanting direct contact with the club board and wanting to have a 'say' in things...we were just happy to turn up and pay our 1s 3d and watch the game, mostly there would be the same 12,000 fans that we get today (well not the same people obv...). Sometimes we were good, sometimes we were woeful, but after the hame that was it, forget about and wait for the next game. Sunday might be an hour or two looking at the sports page to see the results and the league tables.
What we have now is very different..internet...twitter...DATM...Sky...has made us all want more interaction, more say...those at the club are always in the spotlight, and it's almost 7 days a week now we talk football (even in the closed season). It hasn't made us any happier has it, we have more questions we think we should ask, we want to have our say, and expect others to agree with us, we want answers and we feel we have the right to criticise anyone and everyone because, we can. I'm as guilty as the next fan I admit, but the more involved I got the less happy I seemed to get...the more I asked, or saw others ask the more I seem to get disatisfied with things..and as a result I've become less happy, become more alienated and tend not to go to as many games now.
I suppose it's progress, becoming more involved, the club being more 'interactive' with fans but I have to question, is it all worth it ? Shouldn't we all just get on with our lives, do other things and just think about the footy when weekend approaches...there is another world out there, families, friends..places to go and things to do...are we all obsessives now.. I don't know, but I do know there doesn't seem to be much happiness about the place like thee used to be...in those 'old days' ..
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 8:36:27 GMT 1
Next season they will all be paying a £3 premium...and the logic many here have said is because we want to maximise revenues from away fans ...but away fans average just half of the current pay on the day Town fans... The logical outcome if Clibbens continues with the brainless strategy is there will be no Town fans paying on the day, and not many away fans either..all priced out of attending Away fans won't pay the "premium" given, especially with the reduced capacity, that all away allocations will be sold in advance with no pay on the day. The £3 extra will come from Town fans.
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Post by iangreaves on May 20, 2015 8:59:16 GMT 1
Have they ever tried reducing the price by a decent amount? surely that would attract higher gates=more money with more people going to watch because its an attractive price? They heavily discounted many times last year.. Didn't have a huge impact on gates I think one problem is you can't actually pay on the gate, like you used to do when I was a kid. You have to go to one single window and queue for ages to buy a ticket to take to a gate to be scanned. It's a ball-ache. If pay-on-the-day was a reasonable price and if you could walk up and pay on the gate you might have a chance of someone getting up on a Saturday morning and deciding last-minute to go to the game.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 10:33:21 GMT 1
what's the lowest the club could actually charge,that would allow us to pay championship wages?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 11:01:57 GMT 1
Seems to me that a fair few Town fans (not on this thread tbf) wear apathy on their sleeve like a badge of honour. They have a habit of bringing people down - don't let them influence and drag you down. We've a lot to look forward to next season, and with one of the best chairmen about we should be far more optimistic I feel?
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Post by ShortbreadPete on May 20, 2015 11:12:03 GMT 1
I think it's only those that haven't renewed. It's all well and good the club sending out emails like this to fans who havent renewed, but they should be asking about the floating fans and why they aren't coming more regular. Reading detox's well written post, it shows that we are losing fans. I have had an ST for the last four decades and this is the first time I have not renewed but no query from club as to why.Strange. Strange isn't the word I'd use. I think it's disgraceful that loyal customers who don't renew aren't contacted. I'd want to know why and whether there was anything we could do as a club to support you in renewing.
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Post by iangreaves on May 20, 2015 11:42:54 GMT 1
what's the lowest the club could actually charge,that would allow us to pay championship wages? Don't know but they do pretty well in the Bundesliga.
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Post by villageidiot on May 20, 2015 13:10:22 GMT 1
what's the lowest the club could actually charge,that would allow us to pay championship wages? Don't know but they do pretty well in the Bundesliga. Bang on about bundesliga In Berlin this weekend went to watch Hertha v Frankfurt in Olympic stadium - same venue as champions league in a couple of weeks. . Could have got in for €15 but opted for upper tier halfway line at €35. game was poor 0-0 but the atmosphere/stadium and fan watching made it a great experience. Could buy a beer and sit in the stand .. Bought the lad a shirt - large adult €30 we are well and truly having our legs lifted
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Post by detox on May 20, 2015 14:39:58 GMT 1
The ideal scenario with all this variable pricing mullarky, is to instal the technology. You can't tell me the fans can't all be issued with a membership card, and that card can be topped up and then scanned at the turnstiles for the appropriate stand ? Wouldn't that sort out a lot of this...SC holders already have this ...so what's stopping the rest of us having a card. That way you wouldn't need to go down to the ticket office, you don't even have to use the town website...there are loads of ways of topping up available. Sure I know a seat would have to be allocated, so when the ground is full you'd have to sit in it, but at the moment you pretty much have a choice of sitting anywhere... There must be other English clubs that have a system like this ?? A cashless stadium...just think of the savings..and another thing, and casual fan who might think he'll go down for the odd game might be more encouraged to do so if he already had his card with credit on it, so he could just roll up on saturday...whereas now if you do that you get 'fined' £3.00 for not pre-paying....
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 16:30:14 GMT 1
Recession ended 6 years ago ! You are on a different planet to most people ! WUM He's not a WUM is he. Britain officially came out of recession in Dec 2009/Jan 2010. Sure, people maybe not as affluent as a result of it in the first place, but we did come out of it a while ago. I'm sure the board would be happy to drop prices if we doubled the gates or made up for the shortfall some other way, but that won't happen. If we dropped the prices, and wage bill as a result, other people would find something else to point to as a reason for not coming. We constantly get the lack of ambition tag on here...
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Post by workshyfop on May 20, 2015 16:56:29 GMT 1
I'm sure it's not just Town charging so much, ridiculous as it is. I don't understand why prices in England are so high compared to the rest of Europe, where generally you can get into a match in the top division for about a tenner. I'm not suggesting that Championship clubs are running at a profit, so where are the revenue streams in other countries coming from if it's not tickets - tv, commercial sponsors, corporate boxes/hospitality, their respective football associations, or are players' wages much less?
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Post by Torquayterrier on May 20, 2015 17:19:08 GMT 1
For the first season in ages I went to more away matches last season than homes. Unless other clubs also increase their prices in line with ours then I can see me doing the same again next season. A Pay on the gate of £35 for a cat A in the stand where I usually sit is a lot of money. Will have to pick my matches and hope for a few offers.
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 20, 2015 17:39:18 GMT 1
I believe that a lot of fans would pay anything to watch their team, if they could afford it or not, I won't it's as simple as that. This is the first time I have ever said The tickets are too expensive, but £35 in my eyes is too much and I won't be paying it. I really want the club to be successful but I'm sorry your ripping people off for CAT A games.
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Post by thrice on May 20, 2015 20:21:38 GMT 1
I'm sure it's not just Town charging so much, ridiculous as it is. I don't understand why prices in England are so high compared to the rest of Europe, where generally you can get into a match in the top division for about a tenner. I'm not suggesting that Championship clubs are running at a profit, so where are the revenue streams in other countries coming from if it's not tickets - tv, commercial sponsors, corporate boxes/hospitality, their respective football associations, or are players' wages much less? It's simply players salaries.
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