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Post by York Terrier on May 19, 2015 22:44:00 GMT 1
I have just watched the highlights of the U21 final and our youg star? was in my opinion responsible for giving Two goals away, he lost the ball on the edge of the area for the first and they scored,then for the third was trying a trick from the goalkeepers throw out lost the ball and they scored.
He has been on the fringe of the first team for a couple of years now,and looks a good offensive player but and it's a big but,in my opinion,unless he builds himself up and is able to meet the physical demands of the game he will never succeed
What I don't understand is why the coaches are not able to see what everyone else can, if you look at SS He is about the same height but SS is twice the size and very seldom gets pushed off the ball.
Also not certain what anyone else thinks but I did not see a star in the making pushing for the first team place in the brief highlights.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on May 19, 2015 23:02:55 GMT 1
There is only one solution. Get Akinfenwa to train him.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 23:06:04 GMT 1
I have just watched the highlights of the U21 final and our youg star? was in my opinion responsible for giving Two goals away, he lost the ball on the edge of the area for the first and they scored,then for the third was trying a trick from the goalkeepers throw out lost the ball and they scored. He has been on the fringe of the first team for a couple of years now,and looks a good offensive player but and it's a big but,in my opinion,unless he builds himself up and is able to meet the physical demands of the game he will never succeed What I don't understand is why the coaches are not able to see what everyone else can, if you look at SS He is about the same height but SS is twice the size and very seldom gets pushed off the ball. Also not certain what anyone else thinks but I did not see a star in the making pushing for the first team place in the brief highlights. Sean Scannell is at least 5'8" 5'9" Duane Holmes is nowhere near that. Jack Boyle is the nearest lad in the U18s to Duane in height and like Sean Scannell, physically appears much stronger. Edit... Pretty sure the coaches don't miss much.
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Post by raggytash on May 19, 2015 23:08:33 GMT 1
Got to agree with you there, don't think he will make it at town.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on May 19, 2015 23:09:37 GMT 1
Wow he gave 2 goals away you say ive seen Hudson Lynch etc etc do this, he also played a great one two with Billing that no-one at HTAFC would have had the imagination to do but you failed to mention this and the great goal he scored in tne previous U21 game
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on May 20, 2015 2:41:41 GMT 1
I have just watched the highlights of the U21 final and our youg star? was in my opinion responsible for giving Two goals away, he lost the ball on the edge of the area for the first and they scored,then for the third was trying a trick from the goalkeepers throw out lost the ball and they scored. He has been on the fringe of the first team for a couple of years now,and looks a good offensive player but and it's a big but,in my opinion,unless he builds himself up and is able to meet the physical demands of the game he will never succeed What I don't understand is why the coaches are not able to see what everyone else can, if you look at SS He is about the same height but SS is twice the size and very seldom gets pushed off the ball. Also not certain what anyone else thinks but I did not see a star in the making pushing for the first team place in the brief highlights. Way to throw him under the bus from the 3mins highlights of one game. Duane may or may not make it at Town but I'd sooner go by the eyes of our coaches, who see every minute of him in training and games than someone whose eyes apparently tell him that Scannell is the same height as Duane.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 5:39:01 GMT 1
I have just watched the highlights of the U21 final and our youg star? was in my opinion responsible for giving Two goals away, he lost the ball on the edge of the area for the first and they scored,then for the third was trying a trick from the goalkeepers throw out lost the ball and they scored. He has been on the fringe of the first team for a couple of years now,and looks a good offensive player but and it's a big but,in my opinion,unless he builds himself up and is able to meet the physical demands of the game he will never succeed What I don't understand is why the coaches are not able to see what everyone else can, if you look at SS He is about the same height but SS is twice the size and very seldom gets pushed off the ball. Also not certain what anyone else thinks but I did not see a star in the making pushing for the first team place in the brief highlights. 2 mistakes a game? our first team could learn a trick or two from the lad. hell even our poty makes more mistakes than that per game. maybe he should be first name on the team sheet?
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 20, 2015 6:12:32 GMT 1
Think his future is away from town tbh!
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 20, 2015 6:56:51 GMT 1
I remember Clayton getting tackled on the edge of our box and the other team scoring. He's not had a bad career though has he? Could be premier league in a few months.
He may or may not make it but the boy has talent. Yes he needs to bulk up but he's still only 20 (i think) and needs perseverance. Look at Harry kane. it might take another two years to click.
So I'd wind your neck in and cut the kid some slack, rather than cut him to pieces based on a few edited highlights.
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 20, 2015 7:44:17 GMT 1
I remember Clayton getting tackled on the edge of our box and the other team scoring. He's not had a bad career though has he? Could be premier league in a few months. He may or may not make it but the boy has talent. Yes he needs to bulk up but he's still only 20 (i think) and needs perseverance. Look at Harry kane. it might take another two years to click. So I'd wind your neck in and cut the kid some slack, rather than cut him to pieces based on a few edited highlights. Don't know what the problem is really - 1 - LOADS of players give the ball away, sometimes to great cost. Trouble is that this is a real weakness for Holmes. On the other hand, you could say the same about Lolley, but his decision making does seem to have improved. 2 - Holmes is undeniably a great attacking talent, but he has yet to prove that this is enough to get selected, at least anywhere above U21 level. 3 - WHY does he "need" to bulk up? This is obviously one option, but surely our coaches should be helping him to compensate for this lack of bulk, by developing other ways of coping at a highre level. 4 - I think he has been cut plenty of "slack", he gets a good reception every time he gets off the bench to warm up, but that's pretty much all we get to see of him. In the coaches eyes he just ain't there at the moment. 5 - Give him 2 years, give him 5, but sooner or later someone has to make a decision. It doesn't HAVE to be NOW, but I would think this is a big season for him if he is to push on? 6 - Before Frankiesleftpeg barges in with all his boring old chant of "you'll never know whether they are any good if you don't give them a chance etc etc etc", Holmes is clearly a long way off being selected to play, or even being used as an impact sub at the moment, and I'd back the coaches' decision, they do see rather a lot of his skills, abilities and drawbacks you know!
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Post by oldmanboothy on May 20, 2015 7:56:32 GMT 1
The thing with Duane is he has never been a success at any of his loan spells to lower league sides. If he can't stand out at a lower level then what hope is there in him being a success at championship level? Would love nothing more than to see him make it here but if it was going to happen I think it would have done already.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 7:58:48 GMT 1
Those who watch the U21's regularly (and I mean the whole games), will tell you that he's regularly the best player on the pitch.
If we are writing Duane off, should we not write the rest of them off as well?
It's gonna be a long summer.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 20, 2015 8:00:09 GMT 1
Sean Scannell is an exceptionally 'naturally' strong player. Daft comparison.
Duane could still probably get stronger without it detracting elsewhere, but as a footballer it's more about core strength, which doesn't necessarily mean they'll look big. Maybe they are doing something or accepting his emergence will take longer?
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Post by jqhtfc on May 20, 2015 8:01:57 GMT 1
It's true though Essex you won't know how good they are until they are given a chance.
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Post by Marco4 on May 20, 2015 8:09:58 GMT 1
On the assumption that allowing him to develop and keeping him around and about the first team isn't costing a huge amount (relatively) I can't see any reason not to continue to allow him to make the progress he obviously is playing the football he currently is. If that happens to mean he stands out in the Under 21s and takes a while to make it stick in the first team, that's not such a problem is it? Why does it have to be now. Harry Kane is an extreme example, but there's plenty of players who look good in patches when they're young, then need to take a while to get to perform at that level with any consistency.
Another loan spell might not hurt, but it has to be right for Duane (he has to play, basically - no point sitting on the bench)
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 8:10:55 GMT 1
I have just watched the highlights of the U21 final and our youg star? was in my opinion responsible for giving Two goals away, he lost the ball on the edge of the area for the first and they scored,then for the third was trying a trick from the goalkeepers throw out lost the ball and they scored. He has been on the fringe of the first team for a couple of years now,and looks a good offensive player but and it's a big but,in my opinion,unless he builds himself up and is able to meet the physical demands of the game he will never succeed What I don't understand is why the coaches are not able to see what everyone else can, if you look at SS He is about the same height but SS is twice the size and very seldom gets pushed off the ball. Also not certain what anyone else thinks but I did not see a star in the making pushing for the first team place in the brief highlights. In this game he scores one and sets one up. On viewing, do you think he's destined for the PL, or do you only make your snap judgements if it backs up your existing opinion? He may not make it, but it won't be based on a 3 min highlight package.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 9:15:29 GMT 1
If we let him go he would be snapped up by a Championship team. Worth keeping him around for another couple of years on the chance that it all suddenly clicks for him because he has the natural ability to make it as this level easily
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 10:27:23 GMT 1
I have just watched the highlights of the U21 final and our youg star? was in my opinion responsible for giving Two goals away, he lost the ball on the edge of the area for the first and they scored,then for the third was trying a trick from the goalkeepers throw out lost the ball and they scored. He has been on the fringe of the first team for a couple of years now,and looks a good offensive player but and it's a big but,in my opinion,unless he builds himself up and is able to meet the physical demands of the game he will never succeed What I don't understand is why the coaches are not able to see what everyone else can, if you look at SS He is about the same height but SS is twice the size and very seldom gets pushed off the ball. Also not certain what anyone else thinks but I did not see a star in the making pushing for the first team place in the brief highlights. I think they probably can see he needs to bulk up, but his natural physique, unfortunately, is a tiny, very skinny and child-like. I'm no expert, but I cannot see how any amount of work in the gym is going to bulk him up enough to make it at this level.
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Post by kennyk2 on May 20, 2015 10:31:38 GMT 1
I have just watched the highlights of the U21 final and our youg star? was in my opinion responsible for giving Two goals away, he lost the ball on the edge of the area for the first and they scored,then for the third was trying a trick from the goalkeepers throw out lost the ball and they scored. He has been on the fringe of the first team for a couple of years now,and looks a good offensive player but and it's a big but,in my opinion,unless he builds himself up and is able to meet the physical demands of the game he will never succeed What I don't understand is why the coaches are not able to see what everyone else can, if you look at SS He is about the same height but SS is twice the size and very seldom gets pushed off the ball. Also not certain what anyone else thinks but I did not see a star in the making pushing for the first team place in the brief highlights. I think t hey probably can see he needs to bulk up, but his natural physique, unfortunately, is a tiny, very skinny and child-like. I'm no expert, but I cannot see how any amount of work in the gym is going to bulk him up enough to make it at this level. I think that's what they said about Denis Law! I don't think he would have got much protection from the cloggers back in the '60s.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 10:42:50 GMT 1
I think t hey probably can see he needs to bulk up, but his natural physique, unfortunately, is a tiny, very skinny and child-like. I'm no expert, but I cannot see how any amount of work in the gym is going to bulk him up enough to make it at this level. I think that's what they said about Dennis Law! I don't think he would have got much protection from the cloggers back in the '60s. Ill have to take your word for it, I've only seen Dennis Law on TV as a pensioner!
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Post by terrierfortythree on May 20, 2015 10:48:50 GMT 1
needs a productive loan move, then we could judge better
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on May 20, 2015 11:10:30 GMT 1
Think its a blessing that this player attracts so much interest/discussion and he's on our books. Judging by our unbeaten end of the season run, we seem to have a formula for success and the settled 3-5-2(3-4-1-2) flexible system seems the way forward( although away he may go one striker 4-2-3-1)
-------------------------------------------------------------Smithies ------------------------------Smith---------------------------Hudson(or new signing?)--------------------Lynch ---------Scanz----------------------------Coady--------------------------Hogg/Gobern----------------------Reece(or new signing) ---------------------------------------------------------------Butterfield ------------------------------------------------Wells(Miller)----------------------------JV(Miller)
I would see Duane has a sort of understudy for Butters(who inevitable without a large slice of luck will pick up the odd injury). We have some good championship quality players and finally some competition for places with the likes of (Hammill?) Bunn Lolley HOLMES Billing Charles and Tronstad, waiting to take their opportunities from the bench
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 20, 2015 11:11:56 GMT 1
He's still developing as a player, hence why he's in the development squad.
I love it how people watch a couple of highlight vids & deem he won't be good enough? Of course you know better than the professional coaches, don't you?
Give it a rest!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 20, 2015 11:59:03 GMT 1
Holmes came straight from the academy and featured in 20 odd first team games last season. Lets not forget that the lad is only 20 and is two years younger than Harry Bunn who only made it as a first team regular this season. He's still got time on his side to realize his potential and the club obviously see that as they offered him a new deal.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on May 20, 2015 12:09:52 GMT 1
I think t hey probably can see he needs to bulk up, but his natural physique, unfortunately, is a tiny, very skinny and child-like. I'm no expert, but I cannot see how any amount of work in the gym is going to bulk him up enough to make it at this level. I think that's what they said about Dennis Law! I don't think he would have got much protection from the cloggers back in the '60s. The same could be said of Lionel Messi. Here ends the comparison between Duane and Messi before anyone gets clever. There is no doubt that despite only 2 league starts, he has the ability to make it but his strength and conditioning program is more crucial to him than most players because if Duane was 6'1" and he still retained his natural ability he wouldn't be here with us.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 12:31:27 GMT 1
how can Duane's size matter,in a game where you aren't allowed physical contact anymore?
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 20, 2015 17:15:15 GMT 1
Size doesn't matter - times I have used that one!!
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Post by Stiggy on May 20, 2015 18:07:44 GMT 1
Isn't Alex Prichard around the same height/physique? He's not done bad. One of the championships stand outs from what I've seen.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 20, 2015 18:24:04 GMT 1
If Muggsey Bogues made a successful career in the NBA at 5'3" then i'm sure Duane Holmes can manage in Football at 5'8"
It's the size of the fight in the dog that counts.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 18:29:37 GMT 1
Isn't Alex Prichard around the same height/physique? He's not done bad. One of the championships stand outs from what I've seen. Yep, he's been class. In the Under 21 squad for the Euros too. As is OOOOOHHHHH BENIK AFOBE
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