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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 28, 2015 14:01:40 GMT 1
Maybe we should stop being grateful for being in the Championship and accepting a lower mid table position as progress. If the manager decides to play attractive attacking football from the off (not just when we're relatively safe from relegation) and has a bloody good go at the top six (top ten min) this coming season then the product maybe become a whole lot more desirable. Whilst the standard is better than it was in League one, constantly finishing in the lower half will continue to see a decline in bum on seats.
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Post by benhomly on May 28, 2015 15:52:12 GMT 1
www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-sold-6679-season-9341093Despite 8 consecutive years of progress under Deano (how many clubs can say the same?), and a positive outlook for the future, season tickets are down on last year by 391. Doesn't make it any easier for Deano to keep investing. Don't let the Tories get us down! 391 isn't so much! If we all pull together on DATM and each commit to finding one new season ticket holder for next year, we'll soon see Town giving L**** a good hiding. Agreed? I've been a fan for 45 years now and will continue to buy my season ticket but as for committing to finding one new fan to buy one? Stuff that mate life's too short, I've got better things to do! We have a (no doubt) very highly paid commercial department at the club to do that sort of thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:39:04 GMT 1
Great. That's none done ... just 391 to go now.
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 28, 2015 19:39:44 GMT 1
www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-sold-6679-season-9341093Despite 8 consecutive years of progress under Deano (how many clubs can say the same?), and a positive outlook for the future, season tickets are down on last year by 391. Doesn't make it any easier for Deano to keep investing. Don't let the Tories get us down! 391 isn't so much! If we all pull together on DATM and each commit to finding one new season ticket holder for next year, we'll soon see Town giving L**** a good hiding. Agreed? I've been a fan for 45 years now and will continue to buy my season ticket but as for committing to finding one new fan to buy one? Stuff that mate life's too short, I've got better things to do! We have a (no doubt) very highly paid commercial department at the club to do that sort of thing. "Very highly paid"? Are you sure?!
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Post by benhomly on May 28, 2015 19:45:26 GMT 1
I've been a fan for 45 years now and will continue to buy my season ticket but as for committing to finding one new fan to buy one? Stuff that mate life's too short, I've got better things to do! We have a (no doubt) very highly paid commercial department at the club to do that sort of thing. "Very highly paid"? Are you sure?! I would have thought so. This is the world of football we're talking about here, you know the one that is as far away from reality as any other profession I can think of apart from possibly the world of acting. I'm only guessing of course and maybe you know better.
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Post by mightyterrier on May 28, 2015 19:48:33 GMT 1
I have renewed, however 3 of my mates haven't and based their decision on the news release about fans being moved from their chosen seats for high profile games. I'm not saying they are right or wrong but that's their decision and I do know there are a few more, that said I don't know if they will change their minds pre season but doesn't seem so.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 28, 2015 20:01:17 GMT 1
A big problem is football in general just doesnt seem as exciting an event any longer. The quality is obviously higher than its been in a long time, but its rare nowadays to get that involuntarily head of an imaginary ball goalwards you used to get as 1st generation Boothy went up to meet a cross, or the grimace as Bullock fouled, or Iffy or Iwan bundled and battered their way through a crowded box chasing a lost cause. Football used to be about throwing dice, now its a game of chess. Agree in part. The other thing for me is the lack of characters we have in the squad. They are all pretty bland, hard to fall in love with any of them, unlike, Boothy, Bullock, Iffy et al Boothy and Iffy characters.... !
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 28, 2015 20:12:01 GMT 1
"Very highly paid"? Are you sure?! I would have thought so. This is the world of football we're talking about here, you know the one that is as far away from reality as any other profession I can think of apart from possibly the world of acting. I'm only guessing of course and maybe you know better. The people who work behind the scenes at football are just ordinary folk working for a living - they don't share in the obscene wages of the players. Most of the commercial team have been at Town for years and years - from the old stadium, through the change to the new one, through administration and all sorts of owners and I haven't seen any of them blinging up!
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Post by SaudiTerrier on May 28, 2015 20:16:17 GMT 1
391 less isn't that much really considering the cost is going up every year. There's still plenty of time for more to be sold and pre-season + signings might go some way to pursuading a few.
Plus all those players gone in January probably slashed the wage bill a fair bit so the drop in ST sales at this stage probably won't be as big a hit as it might look.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 28, 2015 20:36:26 GMT 1
Agree in part. The other thing for me is the lack of characters we have in the squad. They are all pretty bland, hard to fall in love with any of them, unlike, Boothy, Bullock, Iffy et al Boothy and Iffy characters.... ! The sight of Iffy together with the ref and half the team looking for his lost contact lense in the penalty area in a night match at Leeds road was worth the entry fee alone. There were several other notable incidents in his career. Colliding with Bolton keeper Dave Felgate at the old Burden Park was one in particular. It was like two steam trains hitting head on with Iffy's pulling several coal wagons. They had dig Felgate out of the ground.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 28, 2015 20:39:28 GMT 1
Boothy and Iffy characters.... ! The sight of Iffy together with the ref and half the team looking for his lost contact lense in the penalty area in a night match at Leeds road was worth the entry fee alone. There were several other notable incidents in his career. Colliding with Bolton keeper Dave Felgate at the old Burden Park was one in particular. It was like two steam trains hitting head on with Iffy's pulling several coal wagons. They had dig Felgate out of the ground. Actually, Iffy possibly was. Boothy was a great servant and will be remembered in many years to come, but he is not a character!
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 28, 2015 20:48:57 GMT 1
The sight of Iffy together with the ref and half the team looking for his lost contact lense in the penalty area in a night match at Leeds road was worth the entry fee alone. There were several other notable incidents in his career. Colliding with Bolton keeper Dave Felgate at the old Burden Park was one in particular. It was like two steam trains hitting head on with Iffy's pulling several coal wagons. They had dig Felgate out of the ground. Actually, Iffy possibly was. Boothy was a great servant and will be remembered in many years to come, but he is not a character! True. And all the better for it.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on May 28, 2015 20:50:06 GMT 1
Maybe we should stop being grateful for being in the Championship and accepting a lower mid table position as progress. If the manager decides to play attractive attacking football from the off (not just when we're relatively safe from relegation) and has a bloody good go at the top six (top ten min) this coming season then the product maybe become a whole lot more desirable. Whilst the standard is better than it was in League one, constantly finishing in the lower half will continue to see a decline in bum on seats. ......the bottom line is not the expense we could sell every seat as season tickets if we went up to the Prem twice over at current prices and higher. The real trick is offering value for money, the German model for ticket pricing(the success in full stadiums is there for all to see) we simply need to follow it
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 21:09:14 GMT 1
Maybe we should stop being grateful for being in the Championship and accepting a lower mid table position as progress. If the manager decides to play attractive attacking football from the off (not just when we're relatively safe from relegation) and has a bloody good go at the top six (top ten min) this coming season then the product maybe become a whole lot more desirable. Whilst the standard is better than it was in League one, constantly finishing in the lower half will continue to see a decline in bum on seats. clpe ......the bottom line is not the expense we could sell every seat as season tickets if we went up to the Prem twice over at current prices and higher. The real trick is offering value for money, the German model for ticket pricing(the success in full stadiums is there for all to see) we simply need to follow it I agree with this in principle, however, you could argue Bradford follow a similair ticket pricing policy resulting in increased attendances, and they can't even afford a box of grass seed to throw on the pitch. It's not just the prices in Germany, the whole mentality is much more liberal over there than it is here.
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Post by terrier7240 on May 28, 2015 21:14:53 GMT 1
I really do not see 400 down from last season makes that much difference..theres over 300 moved to the south stand so theres and 300xfew hundred quid more and the shortfall thats left wouldnt even pay a weekly wage for a decent youngster !!!!
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Post by yoy on May 28, 2015 22:19:12 GMT 1
I haven't renewed. No fault attached to the club. Purely and simply I cannot attend every match and you really don't have to miss that many before a season ticket makes little sense.
I understand entirely for the club the importance of season tickets for planning. That's why I've kept going with them for many more years than I should. My hope is that they repeat the Take 10 offer. Good balance of value for me and for the club they get some commitment that I will spend my money in due course.
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Post by yoy on May 28, 2015 22:28:08 GMT 1
I really do not see 400 down from last season makes that much difference..theres over 300 moved to the south stand so theres and 300xfew hundred quid more and the shortfall thats left wouldnt even pay a weekly wage for a decent youngster !!!! I agree with elements of this. Call it £120k fall and so broadly 1% of turnover. Not insignificant for any business but nor is it disastrous. A 5% fall in what has traditionally been your most loyal customer base however must be the cause of some concern for the club. Hopefully just a change to buying patterns and it rectifies itself soon enough.
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Post by detox on May 28, 2015 22:41:28 GMT 1
by the time you knock off the ground rent fee etc, a pay at the gate fan attending about 7 games puts in as much £ as a SC holder paying interest free over 10 months.... As for the cut price deals, Town have two promos a season, usually for the least attractive fixtures...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 22:55:47 GMT 1
It's been a long month, expect some folk will only be getting paid tomorrow.
Football is expensive and has to compete with a multitude of things nowadays that 20 yrs or so wouldn't even have been on the radar, things like Netflix subscriptions, paying £3.50 - £4.00 for a cup of coffee etc...
The world has changed and we just get lured in by clever marketing & trends. Fundamentally football hasn't changed in that it's 2 sides trying to score more than the other side. However the wrap around it certainly has... replica shirts, kids probably wanting a new pair of luminescent boots for their games kits, travel costs to home games etc...
The problem as I see it is simply that many yrs ago, kids followed their Dads, walked the ground as teenagers, went to watch the football & weren't much interested in the 'events' outside the game itself because there weren't any in reality. 90 minutes, bit of tribalism, maybe a pie on the way out at the corner shop on your way home. I can't say for certain but don't see that as many kids would have that in-built desire to go back for some of the same a fortnight later if it was raining and cold because they have so many other easier options and attractions...
Football's marketing should quite simply be around making the game more affordable for fans but until they stop paying stupid wages to very average players (& their hangers on, aka agents) nothing much will change...
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Post by Zopa64 on May 28, 2015 23:31:38 GMT 1
by the time you knock off the ground rent fee etc, a pay at the gate fan attending about 7 games puts in as much £ as a SC holder paying interest free over 10 months.... As for the cut price deals, Town have two promos a season, usually for the least attractive fixtures... Leeds & Rotherham at home were both promo games, granted they were £20 but non SC holders didn't have to pay full whack. There was also Blackburn at home for a fiver. Plus if you know someone with kids you can get 2/3 schools vouchers a season as well. I reckon they probably only charge full price for maybe 10 games a season.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 1:16:25 GMT 1
Maybe we should stop being grateful for being in the Championship and accepting a lower mid table position as progress. If the manager decides to play attractive attacking football from the off (not just when we're relatively safe from relegation) and has a bloody good go at the top six (top ten min) this coming season then the product maybe become a whole lot more desirable. Whilst the standard is better than it was in League one, constantly finishing in the lower half will continue to see a decline in bum on seats. ......the bottom line is not the expense we could sell every seat as season tickets if we went up to the Prem twice over at current prices and higher. The real trick is offering value for money, the German model for ticket pricing(the success in full stadiums is there for all to see) we simply need to follow it The German model would destroy the game as we know it. It looks good from the outside looking in at an accessible top flight, but look a bit closer and you see a league system that has seen more clubs go out of business in the last ten years than any other football league in Europe, possibly in the world.
Don't buy the hype. Germany is not the model to follow.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 1:21:09 GMT 1
by the time you knock off the ground rent fee etc, a pay at the gate fan attending about 7 games puts in as much £ as a SC holder paying interest free over 10 months.... As for the cut price deals, Town have two promos a season, usually for the least attractive fixtures... They say that, but I got into about 5 games for £10 last season, and had offers for around three more that I couldn't attend. If you have kids that go to different schools, and kids that play football, you soon discover how many promos there are!
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 29, 2015 7:09:42 GMT 1
......the bottom line is not the expense we could sell every seat as season tickets if we went up to the Prem twice over at current prices and higher. The real trick is offering value for money, the German model for ticket pricing(the success in full stadiums is there for all to see) we simply need to follow it The German model would destroy the game as we know it. It looks good from the outside looking in at an accessible top flight, but look a bit closer and you see a league system that has seen more clubs go out of business in the last ten years than any other football league in Europe, possibly in the world.
Don't buy the hype. Germany is not the model to follow.
This is all sounding a bit 1930's, isn;t it? I can't argue the point about the German game from a factual standpoint, but gut feel alone says that perhaps we NEED a few clubs to go under before the game in the UK gives it's head a shake and starts to operate on a more fan-freindly basis.
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Post by midlander on May 29, 2015 8:37:20 GMT 1
Also worth noting that it tends to be only cheaper to watch football in Germany in Standing areas. Season tickets in the stands down both sides at Bundesliga 2 side VfL Bochum next year are more expensive than at HTFC - they are a similar price but have fewer games.
However, behind the goal on the terrace is where the real difference is made.
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Post by rooo on May 29, 2015 9:07:43 GMT 1
by the time you knock off the ground rent fee etc, a pay at the gate fan attending about 7 games puts in as much £ as a SC holder paying interest free over 10 months.... As for the cut price deals, Town have two promos a season, usually for the least attractive fixtures... Leeds & Rotherham at home were both promo games, granted they were £20 but non SC holders didn't have to pay full whack. There was also Blackburn at home for a fiver. Plus if you know someone with kids you can get 2/3 schools vouchers a season as well. I reckon they probably only charge full price for maybe 10 games a season. It's a long, tough read but worth attempting (written by Mr Clibbens, I reckon ): www.htafc.com/news/article/huddersfield-town-season-card-value-2445447.aspxBasically, a season card is the best value for watching Town at home (unless you miss about 25% of games and can get discount for the ones you can get to)
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Post by Captainslapper on May 29, 2015 11:52:33 GMT 1
I have renewed, however 3 of my mates haven't and based their decision on the news release about fans being moved from their chosen seats for high profile games. I'm not saying they are right or wrong but that's their decision and I do know there are a few more, that said I don't know if they will change their minds pre season but doesn't seem so. when they go to the cinema, if they don't get to sit in their favourite seat do they storm off without watching the film?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 12:16:12 GMT 1
I have renewed, however 3 of my mates haven't and based their decision on the news release about fans being moved from their chosen seats for high profile games. I'm not saying they are right or wrong but that's their decision and I do know there are a few more, that said I don't know if they will change their minds pre season but doesn't seem so. when they go to the cinema, if they don't get to sit in their favourite seat do they storm off without watching the film? If they paid for a specific seat they looked to sit in for an entire years worth of films, and at the very best of those films they were told they had to sit in an inferior (in their opinion) position... Then they wouldnt be back the following year I'd hazard.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 12:21:12 GMT 1
I have renewed, however 3 of my mates haven't and based their decision on the news release about fans being moved from their chosen seats for high profile games. I'm not saying they are right or wrong but that's their decision and I do know there are a few more, that said I don't know if they will change their minds pre season but doesn't seem so. when they go to the cinema, if they don't get to sit in their favourite seat do they storm off without watching the film? Maybe they should stream the matches live onto screen 3 at The Odeon, so folk can sit in a comfy seat while eating pocorn, but still have the benefit of pre and post match drinks in The Ropewalk.
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Post by bristolterrier on May 29, 2015 12:38:46 GMT 1
www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-sold-6679-season-9341093Despite 8 consecutive years of progress under Deano (how many clubs can say the same?), and a positive outlook for the future, season tickets are down on last year by 391. Doesn't make it any easier for Deano to keep investing. Don't let the Tories get us down! 391 isn't so much! If we all pull together on DATM and each commit to finding one new season ticket holder for next year, we'll soon see Town giving L**** a good hiding. Agreed? Not getting me down pal, in fact quite the opposite. Anyway, there may be a small drop at present in ticket sales but I am sure that the board will have factored in the probable boost in away support which in turn usually means a local derby and an increase in home support. Losing Norwich, Bournemouth, Watford, Blackpool, Wigan,and Millwall has probably lost us about 6,000 travelling fans but gaining Hull, Burnley, Preston, MK Dons, Bristol City, and QPR will possibly put 16,000 through the turnstiles especially if we give them more seats.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 12:43:09 GMT 1
www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-sold-6679-season-9341093Despite 8 consecutive years of progress under Deano (how many clubs can say the same?), and a positive outlook for the future, season tickets are down on last year by 391. Doesn't make it any easier for Deano to keep investing. Don't let the Tories get us down! 391 isn't so much! If we all pull together on DATM and each commit to finding one new season ticket holder for next year, we'll soon see Town giving L**** a good hiding. Agreed? Not getting me down pal, in fact quite the opposite. Anyway, there may be a small drop at present in ticket sales but I am sure that the board will have factored in the probable boost in away support which in turn usually means a local derby and an increase in home support. Losing Norwich, Bournemouth, Watford, Blackpool, Wigan,and Millwall has probably lost us about 6,000 travelling fans but gaining Hull, Burnley, Preston, MK Dons, Bristol City, and QPR will possibly put 16,000 through the turnstiles especially if we give them more seats. And the match day prices probably meant that away end ticket revenue will be boosted further.
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