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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 7:55:11 GMT 1
In 2005, the European championships were held in the North of England. I went to a couple of games at Warrington, including the semi between Sweden and Norway. Both sides very evenly matched made for a brilliant game of football, pure football, not as powerful or as quick as the men's game, but enjoyable as a spectacle. It finished 3-2 to Norway after extra time and the fact both teams just PLAYED THE GAME, no cheating, diving made it all the more enjoyable. My views changed a bit from then on, it's just a bit different and you can't compare the two, but a the top level it's a decent standard. Be interesting if our first team played England. Guessing about Ten nil ?
Nah, I think Smithies would do quite well with the weaker shooting power, I couldn't see the women scoring more than 3.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jun 4, 2015 10:41:12 GMT 1
I am certainly no mysoginist, but I too am sick to death of the BBC ramming womens footie down my throat, whether I like it or not. It may be subtley different to the mens game, but why on earth would anyone go to watch it instead of the proper game? I'd go & watch a womens game for the same reason I'd watch a conference game or a game on the local park - because I just love the game, but all this pretence that it is, in some way "equal" is rubbish. I have no problem with the BBC/Guardian showing it, reporting on it or featuring it, but not just because it is the womens version. Their approach is Sexist, in my opinion, but I am open to Barbieterrier pointing out the error in my ways (again!). Not having a go or anything, but I don't really follow either the BBC or Guardian's coverage of women's football with purpose so I'm genuinely curious – how is their coverage sexist?No, it's a fair question. If we accept that being sexist is "prejudice or discrimination based on sex" then the only reason that womens football football is featured is because of one feature only - it is female football, not because it is popular, not because it has any other redeeming features, but simply because it has been introduced, and played by a single sex. Sexist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 10:46:03 GMT 1
Not having a go or anything, but I don't really follow either the BBC or Guardian's coverage of women's football with purpose so I'm genuinely curious – how is their coverage sexist?No, it's a fair question. If we accept that being sexist is "prejudice or discrimination based on sex" then the only reason that womens football football is featured is because of one feature only - it is female football, not because it is popular, not because it has any other redeeming features, but simply because it has been introduced, and played by a single sex. Sexist. Very well put
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 10:59:48 GMT 1
I don't mind it,they play some good stuff at times,improving all the time,good luck to them I say
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 4, 2015 14:02:15 GMT 1
Not having a go or anything, but I don't really follow either the BBC or Guardian's coverage of women's football with purpose so I'm genuinely curious – how is their coverage sexist?No, it's a fair question. If we accept that being sexist is "prejudice or discrimination based on sex" then the only reason that womens football football is featured is because of one feature only - it is female football, not because it is popular, not because it has any other redeeming features, but simply because it has been introduced, and played by a single sex. Sexist. sexism definition. The belief that one sex is naturally superior to the other and should dominate most important areas of political, economic, and social life. For sexism to exist, you would have to show that the offended sex suffers as a direct result of it. This is not the case when you have the choice not to watch/read about it. Much of what you wrote was opinion, not fact (I think it's pretty shit too but I'm not clutching my pearls because others like it).
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jun 4, 2015 14:43:49 GMT 1
No, it's a fair question. If we accept that being sexist is "prejudice or discrimination based on sex" then the only reason that womens football football is featured is because of one feature only - it is female football, not because it is popular, not because it has any other redeeming features, but simply because it has been introduced, and played by a single sex. Sexist. sexism definition. The belief that one sex is naturally superior to the other and should dominate most important areas of political, economic, and social life. For sexism to exist, you would have to show that the offended sex suffers as a direct result of it. This is not the case when you have the choice not to watch/read about it. Much of what you wrote was opinion, not fact (I think it's pretty shit too but I'm not clutching my pearls because others like it). None taken lad - even illiterate cretins are allowed their say on here, that's what makes it so much fun.
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Post by andrewt on Jun 4, 2015 14:56:42 GMT 1
'They could, for example, wear tighter shorts.' Blatter at his finest imo! Probably the best idea Blatter has had LOL
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 4, 2015 15:27:41 GMT 1
sexism definition. The belief that one sex is naturally superior to the other and should dominate most important areas of political, economic, and social life. For sexism to exist, you would have to show that the offended sex suffers as a direct result of it. This is not the case when you have the choice not to watch/read about it. Much of what you wrote was opinion, not fact (I think it's pretty shit too but I'm not clutching my pearls because others like it). None taken lad - even illiterate cretins are allowed their say on here, that's what makes it so much fun. p Should of spotted that. I would of edited it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 4, 2015 15:53:07 GMT 1
they get technically better and fitter(no pun intended) by the season.. therefore the magic of fair competition and sportsmanship goes down in equal amounts..
a few years down the line now and rolling about, falling over and arguing with officials over everything will be just like the blokes.. professionalism, a word that should never be associated with paid footballers of either sex..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 15:56:19 GMT 1
Looking forward to the WWC kicking off. We dont have a bad side at all, and could see England reaching at least the QF again, i think of the seven WC tournaments England have reached the QF's four times. You have to take into account the England women's team only started playing in 1972, and to be fair they have come along way over the past 10-15 years. Anyone doubting the talent of some of these ladies just do a quick search for Birgit Prinz of Germany who averaged just over a goal every 2 games or Marta 2006-2010 FIFA womens player of the year or even Englands own Kelly Smith.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jun 4, 2015 15:57:15 GMT 1
A woman who played for town ladies, england player at the time and ex arsenal player worked at my school a few years back and we had a kick about with her a few times. Very average
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Post by I have a box full of hats on Jun 4, 2015 16:00:15 GMT 1
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jun 4, 2015 16:10:06 GMT 1
I'll be watching it as every game is televised out here, Canada's national team just beat England in a friendly.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 4, 2015 16:28:33 GMT 1
I'll be watching it as every game is televised out here, Canada's national team just beat England in a friendly. Only saw the goal, but it was a cracker. Nowt to do with the keeper - anyone would have had a job keeping it out.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 4, 2015 17:34:47 GMT 1
Isn't it all artificial pitches ? So they can Hoover them after.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jun 4, 2015 19:13:46 GMT 1
Very poor quality and I'd back any local non-league male side to beat the England women's International team - So, I wouldn't pay ten pence to go and watch a women's football match. I could find 11 of my mates that could beat them, and that wouldnt be be simple intimidation tactics it would be skill wise too
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Post by Five Lamps on Jun 4, 2015 19:21:15 GMT 1
Not having a go or anything, but I don't really follow either the BBC or Guardian's coverage of women's football with purpose so I'm genuinely curious – how is their coverage sexist?No, it's a fair question. If we accept that being sexist is "prejudice or discrimination based on sex" then the only reason that womens football football is featured is because of one feature only - it is female football, not because it is popular, not because it has any other redeeming features, but simply because it has been introduced, and played by a single sex. Sexist. I'm afraid I have to differ with you on this. You're taking a very narrow definition of sexism, missing a much wider cultural context. In social and historical terms, sexism has represented institutionalised oppression by men (the privileged) against women. Women can discriminate against men, but cannot be sexist. Is your argument that the recent balance of men's/women's football media coverage is sexist towards women? I don't personally think that the increased promotion of women's football in media hinders or oppresses women at all. It doesn't negatively typecast or stereotype women footballers in any way. It's a sport with growing popularity, and the increased focus in the mainstream media can only help promote the sport (both women's football and football as a whole) to all genders, and no one will suffer for it. Of course, it could also just fuel the fire of the kind of people who come up with comments like the one quoted below, but that's something worth fighting against. Isn't it all artificial pitches ? So they can Hoover them after. That's really poor.
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Post by huddersviking on Jun 4, 2015 20:25:01 GMT 1
I am very much involved with Women's football, and really pleased to see it getting the attention it deserves. Over the past few years a lot of top English clubs have put a lot of money in it (Man City is a great example of this), However we are still many years behind the likes of Sweden, Germany and he USA. In fact over the past few years France have really emerged as a bit of a new force in womens football and my tip for the world cup. The fact that the WSL is now on BT sport, a league format that is set to increase over the next few years and the fact that the world cup is on TV is great for the sport as a whole.
I would suggest a few of you go watch some of the games, you will be surprised at the standard its at. Its not prem league quality, but its still a few years behind the mens game, however its getting better and better with each season that passes.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jun 4, 2015 21:13:17 GMT 1
Five Lamps you haven't met Mrs EssexTerrier, have you? !! Seriously, I am all in favour of "the womens game" and I actively encouraged my own daughters to play, but having it forced down my throat as if it is, in some way, "equal" to the mens game is odious, to me. I would love to live long enough to watch men and women playing the same game, on equal terms, regardless of the shapes and various appendages to their bodies. However, just as short, fat people tend not to be good high jumpers, I don't expect to live long enough to see it happen. We can argue the minutae about "sexism" all you like, but to me, favouring an inferior product (womens football) above otherss IS sexist. "......and on that bombshell......."
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 4, 2015 21:33:08 GMT 1
Five Lamps you haven't met Mrs EssexTerrier, have you? !! Seriously, I am all in favour of "the womens game" and I actively encouraged my own daughters to play, but having it forced down my throat as if it is, in some way, "equal" to the mens game is odious, to me. I would love to live long enough to watch men and women playing the same game, on equal terms, regardless of the shapes and various appendages to their bodies. However, just as short, fat people tend not to be good high jumpers, I don't expect to live long enough to see it happen. We can argue the minutae about "sexism" all you like, but to me, favouring an inferior product (womens football) above otherss IS sexist. "......and on that bombshell......." Seriously, who is forcing it down your throat and who is favouring women's football above "others"? I'm genuinely puzzled by the argument, even putting aside the fact that you don't seem to know what sexism is. There is no "minutae"; its (!) an established term with a specific meaning and simply doesn't apply to what you are trying to describe. Perhaps the most telling thing you are saying is the bit about women playing against men. They don't want to and they aren't asking to, and I haven't read or heard anyone saying it is equal, in quality, to the men's game. Mostly, they seem to dissuade such comparisons. Personally, I'm with you on the appeal of the sport and, to paraphrase Johnson, women's football is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all, but I don't think it's legitimacy is in question.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 4, 2015 21:39:05 GMT 1
Essex terrier it's taken you 2672 posts to come up with the dumbest ever.. For goodness sake
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 4, 2015 21:41:10 GMT 1
Sorry Essex can I heartily apologise... I've read the thread backwards and seen your earlier offerings ... It didn't take you that long
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 22:10:30 GMT 1
He is right though its getting a disproportionate amount of attention, the two games will never be equal in popularity and skill.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 4, 2015 22:13:22 GMT 1
He is right though its getting a disproportionate amount of attention, the two games will never be equal in popularity and skill. It is mainly on BBC 3. A channel they want to consign to the Internet only. And something called "the red button".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 1:10:56 GMT 1
He is right though its getting a disproportionate amount of attention, the two games will never be equal in popularity and skill. Disproportionate in comparison to what? What male football specifically is being ignored at the expense of inferior womens football? There is no angle nor no agenda with coverage of womens football on TV. Theyre just reflecting a demamd for coverage. On TV theres also an incredible amount of shit music. But its because theres room in the schedule for it, not because of an anti Rush (or Spandau Ballet, depending on your perspective) agenda. It seems to me that Coronation Street gets an inordinate number of hours of TV each week. But I'm not forced to watch it and plenty enjoy it, so whats the problem?
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jun 5, 2015 6:34:48 GMT 1
I see the women's national teams are now on fifa 16 along with new game modes; prison mode and world cups in unplayable conditions!
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Post by Five Lamps on Jun 5, 2015 10:41:04 GMT 1
Five Lamps you haven't met Mrs EssexTerrier, have you? !! Seriously, I am all in favour of "the womens game" and I actively encouraged my own daughters to play, but having it forced down my throat as if it is, in some way, "equal" to the mens game is odious, to me. I would love to live long enough to watch men and women playing the same game, on equal terms, regardless of the shapes and various appendages to their bodies. However, just as short, fat people tend not to be good high jumpers, I don't expect to live long enough to see it happen. We can argue the minutae about "sexism" all you like, but to me, favouring an inferior product (womens football) above otherss IS sexist. "......and on that bombshell......." I haven't, no. I think we've crossed streams here. I thought you were arguing that the media coverage was sexist towards women, but are you coming from the other direction? In which case, see my take on the definition of sexism in my last post. It was you that brought the topic of sexism up It's an interesting subject to read more into, there's loads to learn about, but you really need to be open-minded when studying it and trying to formulate a definite definition. I don't agree that women's football is favoured above any other sport, including men's football. I think @nt explains it well a couple of posts above. Women's football might come up on BBC Sport main headlines every now and again; just ignore them if you're not interested, like I do with boxing headlines, for example.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jun 5, 2015 12:35:23 GMT 1
Five Lamps you haven't met Mrs EssexTerrier, have you? !! Seriously, I am all in favour of "the womens game" and I actively encouraged my own daughters to play, but having it forced down my throat as if it is, in some way, "equal" to the mens game is odious, to me. I would love to live long enough to watch men and women playing the same game, on equal terms, regardless of the shapes and various appendages to their bodies. However, just as short, fat people tend not to be good high jumpers, I don't expect to live long enough to see it happen. We can argue the minutae about "sexism" all you like, but to me, favouring an inferior product (womens football) above otherss IS sexist. "......and on that bombshell......." I haven't, no. Thank goodness for that, I'd be careful trying to argue sexist issue with HER!! I think we've crossed streams here ( I think so too). I thought you were arguing that the media coverage was sexist towards women, but are you coming from the other direction ( I am, but perhaps I haven't been entirely clear then?)? In which case, see my take on the definition of sexism in my last post. (it is all about definitions I suppose, but I am using the definition I quoted earlier "prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex" (or thereabouts))It was you that brought the topic of sexism up (Guilty!) It's an interesting subject to read more into, there's loads to learn about, but you really need to be open-minded when studying it and trying to formulate a definite definition. I have no intention of studying it any more than I currently do as an intelligent, aspirationally articulate adult, but while willing to adjust my views, I have seen nothing on here yet which inclines me to do so. I don't agree that women's football is favoured above any other sport (I didn't say it was favoured above any other sport, just above its (in my opinion) standing in the sporting world. It probably isn't a very popular spectator sport, and while it does have a league of its own, so does, for example, Speedway, but they don't get the coverage, neither does the biggest participating sport (angling) for that matter. Womens football gets the coverage because it is womens football )), including men's football. I think @nt explains it well a couple of posts above. Women's football might come up on BBC Sport main headlines every now and again (and again, and again, and again); just ignore them if you're not interested, like I do with boxing headlines, for example. (Agreed!) Hahaha!! Let's agree to agree then?!! Five Lamps - see my comments above in red?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 13:39:44 GMT 1
Just another angle to throw into the 'overblown media representation of rubbish football that is only getting coverage BECAUSE its women' (which obviously isn't true) debate...
Theres a football match on TV tonight, broadcast live throughout the UK. Between those great footballing powers of Scotland and Qatar.
Guess what, nobody is forced to watch that either.
Personally, I'll be watching Austin & Ally, Shake It Up, and Good Luck Charlie at that time.
Theres always an alternative, its not like its 1978 and everyone only has one screen and three channels, when people DID have a reason to question what was being broadcast.
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Post by Five Lamps on Jun 5, 2015 13:42:49 GMT 1
I haven't, no. Thank goodness for that, I'd be careful trying to argue sexist issue with HER!! I think we've crossed streams here ( I think so too). I thought you were arguing that the media coverage was sexist towards women, but are you coming from the other direction ( I am, but perhaps I haven't been entirely clear then?)? In which case, see my take on the definition of sexism in my last post. (it is all about definitions I suppose, but I am using the definition I quoted earlier "prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex" (or thereabouts))It was you that brought the topic of sexism up (Guilty!) It's an interesting subject to read more into, there's loads to learn about, but you really need to be open-minded when studying it and trying to formulate a definite definition. I have no intention of studying it any more than I currently do as an intelligent, aspirationally articulate adult, but while willing to adjust my views, I have seen nothing on here yet which inclines me to do so. I don't agree that women's football is favoured above any other sport (I didn't say it was favoured above any other sport, just above its (in my opinion) standing in the sporting world. It probably isn't a very popular spectator sport, and while it does have a league of its own, so does, for example, Speedway, but they don't get the coverage, neither does the biggest participating sport (angling) for that matter. Womens football gets the coverage because it is womens football )), including men's football. I think @nt explains it well a couple of posts above. Women's football might come up on BBC Sport main headlines every now and again (and again, and again, and again); just ignore them if you're not interested, like I do with boxing headlines, for example. (Agreed!) Hahaha!! Let's agree to agree then?!! Five Lamps - see my comments above in red? That depends – whose side is she on? All I'm saying is there's more to defining sexism than what's contained in that definition you've pulled out, that's why I was suggesting reading more into the issue. It wasn't a case of holier-than-thou or intelligence or anything nasty like that, I just think that it'd lead to a better understanding of the issue, and help influence your view on this matter. You can only learn more. Taking into account the contextual definition of sexism, or even under blanket terms of discrimination/prejudice, no one is suffering from this. I just really don't think that this is the issue you're making it out to be – it seems a bit too 'old man yells at cloud' for me! But yeah, I've never really understood the appeal of boxing...
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