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Post by nuneatonterrierdan on Jun 23, 2015 16:14:20 GMT 1
I'm sure I've lost the plot but how is the south stand going to work for the Blackburn game? Do we have it for games like this? When they could sell 2000+ what bout when we play teams that would sell the 3000 +?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 23, 2015 18:31:47 GMT 1
Any team that brings 2500 or more will get the whole stand. Blackburn brought just over 1k last season when they could have paid £5 on the gate, can't see them bringing over 2k, especially when they sell their best 2 players.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jun 23, 2015 18:47:46 GMT 1
So we only get to try and make an atmosphere against the "lesser" teams that are not so well supported at our ground where as when the teams that matter come they can bring 5000-6000? And make it their own
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 20:55:05 GMT 1
So we only get to try and make an atmosphere against the "lesser" teams that are not so well supported at our ground where as when the teams that matter come they can bring 5000-6000? And make it their own I could be wrong but I would imagine the only time they will be allowed to bring more than 4,000 is when the figure is likely to reach nearer 7,000. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 20:56:52 GMT 1
So we only get to try and make an atmosphere against the "lesser" teams that are not so well supported at our ground where as when the teams that matter come they can bring 5000-6000? And make it their own I could be wrong but I would imagine the only time they will be allowed to bring more than 4,000 is when the figure is likely to reach nearer 7,000. Can only think of one team who would bring over 4k to us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:08:55 GMT 1
I could be wrong but I would imagine the only time they will be allowed to bring more than 4,000 is when the figure is likely to reach nearer 7,000. Can only think of one team who would bring over 4k to us. Is it Sheff Wednesday or Hull? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 23, 2015 22:12:26 GMT 1
The Liids will be allowed end part of Kilmer too then ?
How stupid if it's true.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:15:44 GMT 1
The Liids will be allowed end part of Kilmer too then ? How stupid if it's true. What's stupid about selling another 3000 tickets at £30 apiece? |
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Post by Cole on Jun 23, 2015 22:16:02 GMT 1
Just because we won't have the SS doesn't mean we won't still make an atmosphere, if you keep the SS group together and just move to say opposite the kilner on the otherside of the away fans it would work nicely. £1 transfer, singing both sides of away fans, happy days.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:16:45 GMT 1
The Liids will be allowed end part of Kilmer too then ? How stupid if it's true. Leeds might not even exist by the time theyre due to play us! Its not stupid. We have no probs creating an atmosphere around the ground when up against a big away following. We just need a helping hand in the majority of games where theres hardly any away support. Whether having a few hundred in the South Stand is going to give that helping hand I don't know. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 23, 2015 22:19:40 GMT 1
The Liids will be allowed end part of Kilmer too then ? How stupid if it's true. What's stupid about selling another 3000 tickets at £30 apiece? Big risk for safety I mean. It's bad enough just having them sort in South stand but in home stand too ?? No thanks. |
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Post by kosi on Jun 23, 2015 22:24:21 GMT 1
What's stupid about selling another 3000 tickets at £30 apiece? Big risk for safety I mean. It's bad enough just having them sort in South stand but in home stand too ?? No thanks. They are in the home stands anyway when we play em. May as well get more of em in! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:30:55 GMT 1
What's stupid about selling another 3000 tickets at £30 apiece? Big risk for safety I mean. It's bad enough just having them sort in South stand but in home stand too ?? No thanks. Nick, I know loads of Leeds fans and they are in the main, sound folk. If they met you, you'd probably scare the shite out of them though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:32:33 GMT 1
What's stupid about selling another 3000 tickets at £30 apiece? Big risk for safety I mean. It's bad enough just having them sort in South stand but in home stand too ?? No thanks. Safety?! 20000+ of them manage to watch their team every other week, including children and babies. |
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Post by stevvy on Jun 24, 2015 9:30:00 GMT 1
I'd imagine in the concourse they'll lock the doors from the relevant sections and obviously have either a line of stewards and/or a bit of netting or something to stop them spilling over into the home section in terms of the kilner bank.
Yeah there'll be less tickets available for home fans, but let's be honest, we only sell about 15-16k home tickets leaving about 4k tickets unsold. If we give them 6-7k and still sell 15-16k ourselves the attendance will be higher therefore we'll get more money therefore we'll be better off, and everyone has still had the chance to get a ticket.
It's not like we sell out in the home ends (not even close) for the game, so we may as well sell more tickets to Leeds (plus means less likely to have numbskulls being in the home areas and getting their heads kicked in if they score and they jump up and down celebrating).
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Post by togterrier on Jun 24, 2015 10:25:41 GMT 1
I'm pretty certain that at a fans forum/QnA a club official (Dean?) stated categorically that Leeds Utd would not be allowed any extra tickets on safety grounds. The potential extra allocation for away fans was brought in when one of either Sunderland, Newcastle Utd or Aston Villa were relegation candidates - if they were relegated and pushing for promotion in March/April, their likely demand would be higher than 4k - potentially this could be the same for Derby C, Sheff Wed, Hull C etc
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jun 24, 2015 12:15:06 GMT 1
Any team that brings 2500 or more will get the whole stand. Blackburn brought just over 1k last season when they could have paid £5 on the gate, can't see them bringing over 2k, especially when they sell their best 2 players. It was only £5 for Town fans, Town were charging Blackburn £25 in advance for tickets and then for some strange reason £20 on the day |
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Post by ginner on Jun 25, 2015 14:06:35 GMT 1
I am sure I have read Dean say somewhere that the only team that wont be offered the south end of the Kilner Bank is Leeds.
I will have a look and see if I can find the article.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 15:01:20 GMT 1
Why wouldn't we offer Leeds fans the extra seats? Our health and safety team are hugely spoilt by us having a half empty stadium with massive gaps between home and away stands... Though they still feel the need to add extra segregation to this! Whenever we get close to having a full stadium with a decent atmosphere, they decide it's unsafe and switch us to a lunchtime. I've been to the Tyne Wear derby, where a few men in high vi and some cordoned off seats are sufficient to keep people from beating each other to death. There are picture of the Old Firm having a few seats between sets of supporters, same with Man United - Liverpool, Arsenal - Spurs and basically any other two sides who dislike one another with the possible exception of Millwall.
If we're genuinely bottling giving extra tickets to Leeds fans, when are we going to decide it's safe to put away fans in there? Someone above mentioned Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa were possible candidates for extra tickets, but each of those groups of fans have tools amongst their fanbase, why would a health and safety pencil pusher allow these supporters to attend but not Leeds fans?
Cordon off half a block (I'm being generous there, the blocks are huge!) and put a few stewards in there and job's a good one. If anyone starts behaving aggressively, the police can do their job and get the perpetrators out of there whilst allowing 3,000 extra football fans to watch their team play a football match like 99% of people want to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 15:27:04 GMT 1
Why wouldn't we offer Leeds fans the extra seats? Our health and safety team are hugely spoilt by us having a half empty stadium with massive gaps between home and away stands... Though they still feel the need to add extra segregation to this! Whenever we get close to having a full stadium with a decent atmosphere, they decide it's unsafe and switch us to a lunchtime. I've been to the Tyne Wear derby, where a few men in high vi and some cordoned off seats are sufficient to keep people from beating each other to death. There are picture of the Old Firm having a few seats between sets of supporters, same with Man United - Liverpool, Arsenal - Spurs and basically any other two sides who dislike one another with the possible exception of Millwall. If we're genuinely bottling giving extra tickets to Leeds fans, when are we going to decide it's safe to put away fans in there? Someone above mentioned Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa were possible candidates for extra tickets, but each of those groups of fans have tools amongst their fanbase, why would a health and safety pencil pusher allow these supporters to attend but not Leeds fans? Cordon off half a block (I'm being generous there, the blocks are huge!) and put a few stewards in there and job's a good one. If anyone starts behaving aggressively, the police can do their job and get the perpetrators out of there whilst allowing 3,000 extra football fans to watch their team play a football match like 99% of people want to. What's with all this 'we'? I think you'll find it's not 'we' making these decisions but West Yorkshire Police. Take the reduced number of tickets West Yorkshire Police allowed Hull City last time at the John Smiths as an example. NOT us 'bottling it'! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 16:01:46 GMT 1
Why wouldn't we offer Leeds fans the extra seats? Our health and safety team are hugely spoilt by us having a half empty stadium with massive gaps between home and away stands... Though they still feel the need to add extra segregation to this! Whenever we get close to having a full stadium with a decent atmosphere, they decide it's unsafe and switch us to a lunchtime. I've been to the Tyne Wear derby, where a few men in high vi and some cordoned off seats are sufficient to keep people from beating each other to death. There are picture of the Old Firm having a few seats between sets of supporters, same with Man United - Liverpool, Arsenal - Spurs and basically any other two sides who dislike one another with the possible exception of Millwall. If we're genuinely bottling giving extra tickets to Leeds fans, when are we going to decide it's safe to put away fans in there? Someone above mentioned Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa were possible candidates for extra tickets, but each of those groups of fans have tools amongst their fanbase, why would a health and safety pencil pusher allow these supporters to attend but not Leeds fans? Cordon off half a block (I'm being generous there, the blocks are huge!) and put a few stewards in there and job's a good one. If anyone starts behaving aggressively, the police can do their job and get the perpetrators out of there whilst allowing 3,000 extra football fans to watch their team play a football match like 99% of people want to. What's with all this 'we'? I think you'll find it's not 'we' making these decisions but West Yorkshire Police. Take the reduced number of tickets West Yorkshire Police allowed Hull City last time at the John Smiths as an example. NOT us 'bottling it'! The police and stadium health and safety team are naturally going to choose the option which causes them the least grief. It is up to Town to negotiate with these bodies to provide a solution which balances safety with meeting the club's needs. Pretty certain every club in the land has to go through a similar rigmarole with the police. Yes some police forces will be more reasonable than others, but each police force will tend towards an easy shift for employees over a good financial arrangement for a football club. Leeds managed to move their away end to next door to the Peacock pub under WYP's watch. I don't dispute that WYP are the problem here, but Town are a participant in these negotiations and as such have to take some responsibility if it proves to be the case that we're forgoing thousands in revenue because the police told us to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 17:32:04 GMT 1
What's with all this 'we'? I think you'll find it's not 'we' making these decisions but West Yorkshire Police. Take the reduced number of tickets West Yorkshire Police allowed Hull City last time at the John Smiths as an example. NOT us 'bottling it'! The police and stadium health and safety team are naturally going to choose the option which causes them the least grief. It is up to Town to negotiate with these bodies to provide a solution which balances safety with meeting the club's needs. Pretty certain every club in the land has to go through a similar rigmarole with the police. Yes some police forces will be more reasonable than others, but each police force will tend towards an easy shift for employees over a good financial arrangement for a football club. Leeds managed to move their away end to next door to the Peacock pub under WYP's watch. I don't dispute that WYP are the problem here, but Town are a participant in these negotiations and as such have to take some responsibility if it proves to be the case that we're forgoing thousands in revenue because the police told us to. I refer you back to the Hull City fiasco. LINKExactly how would you 'negotiate' that one? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 19:34:45 GMT 1
Wrote a three paragraph reply but the page crashed when I clicked send. Essentially it said that Town negotiated well vs. Hull debacle but would we have entered negotiations without pressure from FL/Sky due to HTAFC breaching contract? We previously had 2 other home matches refused for TV by WYP and from outside it seems we did little to talk WYP round.
Leeds have their fixture vs. us kick off at 3pm, yet we're stuck at lunchtime. Also were able to move away end to outside big home supporters pub. Same police force; suggests Leeds better at negotiating than Town.
Tough job, police know they have power over Town but also we don't seem to do enough kicking and screaming to oppose changes. If police know restricting away tickets will cause a lot of being dragged into meetings, threat of legal action, wars in the press etc. they are far less likely to go ahead than it they just forsee a meek acceptance of restrictions. Not saying Town do just meekly accept their decisions, but from outside seems could do more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 19:38:18 GMT 1
Why wouldn't we offer Leeds fans the extra seats? Our health and safety team are hugely spoilt by us having a half empty stadium with massive gaps between home and away stands... Though they still feel the need to add extra segregation to this! Whenever we get close to having a full stadium with a decent atmosphere, they decide it's unsafe and switch us to a lunchtime. I've been to the Tyne Wear derby, where a few men in high vi and some cordoned off seats are sufficient to keep people from beating each other to death. There are picture of the Old Firm having a few seats between sets of supporters, same with Man United - Liverpool, Arsenal - Spurs and basically any other two sides who dislike one another with the possible exception of Millwall. If we're genuinely bottling giving extra tickets to Leeds fans, when are we going to decide it's safe to put away fans in there? Someone above mentioned Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa were possible candidates for extra tickets, but each of those groups of fans have tools amongst their fanbase, why would a health and safety pencil pusher allow these supporters to attend but not Leeds fans? Cordon off half a block (I'm being generous there, the blocks are huge!) and put a few stewards in there and job's a good one. If anyone starts behaving aggressively, the police can do their job and get the perpetrators out of there whilst allowing 3,000 extra football fans to watch their team play a football match like 99% of people want to. What's with all this 'we'? I think you'll find it's not 'we' making these decisions but West Yorkshire Police. Take the reduced number of tickets West Yorkshire Police allowed Hull City last time at the John Smiths as an example. NOT us 'bottling it'! Police can NOT enforce kick off time changes or enforce restrictive demands such as those that were in place for the Hull City game. There is no basis in law that they could do that. They put a price on it, and the club in conjunction with the safety team come up with strategies so that the cost of policing is considered reasonable. If the WYP say they'll only police a game if we restrict away numbers to 1000, who must carry passports and be individually cuffed to a chain whilst walking to the stadium and be escorted away after under armed guard, and we (the club and safety team) roll over and accept that, then yes, 'we' are bottling it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 6:05:34 GMT 1
Why wouldn't we offer Leeds fans the extra seats? Our health and safety team are hugely spoilt by us having a half empty stadium with massive gaps between home and away stands... Though they still feel the need to add extra segregation to this! Whenever we get close to having a full stadium with a decent atmosphere, they decide it's unsafe and switch us to a lunchtime. I've been to the Tyne Wear derby, where a few men in high vi and some cordoned off seats are sufficient to keep people from beating each other to death. There are picture of the Old Firm having a few seats between sets of supporters, same with Man United - Liverpool, Arsenal - Spurs and basically any other two sides who dislike one another with the possible exception of Millwall. If we're genuinely bottling giving extra tickets to Leeds fans, when are we going to decide it's safe to put away fans in there? Someone above mentioned Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa were possible candidates for extra tickets, but each of those groups of fans have tools amongst their fanbase, why would a health and safety pencil pusher allow these supporters to attend but not Leeds fans? Cordon off half a block (I'm being generous there, the blocks are huge!) and put a few stewards in there and job's a good one. If anyone starts behaving aggressively, the police can do their job and get the perpetrators out of there whilst allowing 3,000 extra football fans to watch their team play a football match like 99% of people want to. Just to point out Leeds severely restrict us in ticket numbers, wonder how WYP would react if we were given 30% of Elland Road? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 26, 2015 7:21:10 GMT 1
It will be an absolute joke if they do get 6 k tickets, a disgrace.
Don't think it will happen.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 26, 2015 7:44:22 GMT 1
It will be an absolute joke if they do get 6 k tickets, a disgrace. Don't think it will happen. If town fans can't be arsed to turn up Dean has every right to maximise gate revenues I m o .. Codd , 30% of elland road ? What planet are you on we struggle to fill 30% of our own ground Fair play to leeds their away numbers are fucking immense |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 7:47:49 GMT 1
Is it not that the stadium are major players in this not Town.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 8:12:13 GMT 1
It will be an absolute joke if they do get 6 k tickets, a disgrace. Don't think it will happen. If town fans can't be arsed to turn up Dean has every right to maximise gate revenues I m o .. Codd , 30% of elland road ? What planet are you on we struggle to fill 30% of our own ground Fair play to leeds their away numbers are fucking immense Slight exaggeration there Ted, as I said, Leeds restrict our numbers, are you suggesting we couldn't take more than our allocation? Leeds don't fill Elland road, on average less than two thirds full |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 26, 2015 8:22:11 GMT 1
If town fans can't be arsed to turn up Dean has every right to maximise gate revenues I m o .. Codd , 30% of elland road ? What planet are you on we struggle to fill 30% of our own ground Fair play to leeds their away numbers are fucking immense Slight exaggeration there Ted, as I said, Leeds restrict our numbers, are you suggesting we couldn't take more than our allocation? Leeds don't fill Elland road, on average less than two thirds full Unless I'm.much mistaken there have been times we haven't taken up even meagre allocations ?... And is there a 24K capacity on our ground.. how many sts have we sold this year ? |
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