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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 3, 2015 7:58:58 GMT 1
If true I'd be disappointed as Coady has great potential. His personal influence and character being one of his biggest assets. I appreciate it maybe good business but we really need to build a team to have a "go" at this league. In Coady we have a player who will improve and fits into the group well. In my opinion his value will increase again after another season. Until the Academy produces some genuine quality rather than promising talent we need to develop as a team. I think we'd be a far better team/squad with Coady than without. There's a law of diminishing returns here in that you can't sell your better players consistently and hope to progress in the long term. Our policy makes economic sense and I genuinely understand our position but as fans we need a season of a team that we believe in. I see Coady as having that belief and attitude we need. We may get another player who we can develop but we've just developed a young player for a season and maybe let him go before we actually benefit from what he learned last season. Sadly it shows how tough it is for us to compete at this level. As long as clubs have more financial power we can only hope to punch above our weight or survive. Neither of which appear to attract attendances that would enable us to build a team that can press on. Genuinely sorry to be negative but at the moment I think that's where we are. I really hope we can still surprise a few this season and push on. No, I think you are quite realistic. On the positive side, "are we getting a reputation amongst agents for bringing on talent?". Perhaps agents might be more willing to deal with us if this is the case, in effect, this is bettering the prospects of their players.
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Post by captainblack on Jul 3, 2015 8:08:22 GMT 1
I have just got up this morning and have read the threads concerning Conor Coady . I would be upset to see Coady leave personally as I believe we have not yet seen the best out the lad. I am positive he will improve but realise bigger clubs with bigger budgets will be eyeing our better players.If all the speculation is correct I am sure the club are wise enough to get a very good price if he does leave. I am not in the "know" and do not have a clue if Coady would want to leave just yet as he is getting first team football at Town , would he be in that position at Wolves?
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Post by tom1987 on Jul 3, 2015 8:09:23 GMT 1
If true I'd be disappointed as Coady has great potential. His personal influence and character being one of his biggest assets. I appreciate it maybe good business but we really need to build a team to have a "go" at this league. In Coady we have a player who will improve and fits into the group well. In my opinion his value will increase again after another season. Until the Academy produces some genuine quality rather than promising talent we need to develop as a team. I think we'd be a far better team/squad with Coady than without. There's a law of diminishing returns here in that you can't sell your better players consistently and hope to progress in the long term. Our policy makes economic sense and I genuinely understand our position but as fans we need a season of a team that we believe in. I see Coady as having that belief and attitude we need. We may get another player who we can develop but we've just developed a young player for a season and maybe let him go before we actually benefit from what he learned last season. Sadly it shows how tough it is for us to compete at this level. As long as clubs have more financial power we can only hope to punch above our weight or survive. Neither of which appear to attract attendances that would enable us to build a team that can press on. Genuinely sorry to be negative but at the moment I think that's where we are. I really hope we can still surprise a few this season and push on. Exactly my thoughts on the situation. Completely understand the economics of it but like I've been saying to friends and family about Town last season, we have a talented team of which last season was the first full season for a few at this level or the first full season for a while. For me, Coady faded a bit in the last couple of months maybe because of my point above. If we keep selling our better players and players with potential then we will never be higher than lower bottom half of the championship and gates will drop off. Conor Coady will be class, wherever he ends up this coming season as he will have learnt a hell of a lot from last season. We need to give this generally young talented squad 2 - 3 seasons to gel and add players such as Hudson and Whitehead to guide them and see where it takes us. Like I say, I agree with our policy of signing young talented players along coupled with the odd older, experienced player. But we can't be selling after a year. This team has the potential to be a lot higher up the table. They will keep learning and growing together and from that the consistency that we crave will come. We need a team to believe in and Coady needs to be part of that.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 3, 2015 8:13:04 GMT 1
You do the Connor Coady then he fucks off to Wolves. And that's what its all about. You put the extra n in Take the extra n out Innnnn out I out You shake it all about You do the spelling Mafia cokey And you turn around And that's what it's all about
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 3, 2015 8:21:01 GMT 1
Only Clayts wasn't over rated he was class. He wasn't really, he just had Norwood to judge him against Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Funny yeah ... But this, He was always rated as best midfielder at Leeds He's been in the Boro side all season who just missed out on prmotion. He was excellent for Town in most of his games. Some on here obviously have never played the game.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Jul 3, 2015 8:27:23 GMT 1
Only Clayts wasn't over rated he was class. He was over rated. Clayton's overatedness showed way more when he moved to Middlesborough. In my opinion he looked lost half the time playing there didn't seem to make much impact - for me. Personally I'd like to keep Connor Cody. For me he stood out as one of our better, consistently better too, players of last season. All in my opinion of course
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Post by lex on Jul 3, 2015 8:40:11 GMT 1
If true I'd be disappointed as Coady has great potential. His personal influence and character being one of his biggest assets. I appreciate it maybe good business but we really need to build a team to have a "go" at this league. In Coady we have a player who will improve and fits into the group well. In my opinion his value will increase again after another season. Until the Academy produces some genuine quality rather than promising talent we need to develop as a team. I think we'd be a far better team/squad with Coady than without. There's a law of diminishing returns here in that you can't sell your better players consistently and hope to progress in the long term. Our policy makes economic sense and I genuinely understand our position but as fans we need a season of a team that we believe in. I see Coady as having that belief and attitude we need. We may get another player who we can develop but we've just developed a young player for a season and maybe let him go before we actually benefit from what he learned last season. Sadly it shows how tough it is for us to compete at this level. As long as clubs have more financial power we can only hope to punch above our weight or survive. Neither of which appear to attract attendances that would enable us to build a team that can press on. Genuinely sorry to be negative but at the moment I think that's where we are. I really hope we can still surprise a few this season and push on. Exactly my thoughts on the situation. Completely understand the economics of it but like I've been saying to friends and family about Town last season, we have a talented team of which last season was the first full season for a few at this level or the first full season for a while. For me, Coady faded a bit in the last couple of months maybe because of my point above. If we keep selling our better players and players with potential then we will never be higher than lower bottom half of the championship and gates will drop off. Conor Coady will be class, wherever he ends up this coming season as he will have learnt a hell of a lot from last season. We need to give this generally young talented squad 2 - 3 seasons to gel and add players such as Hudson and Whitehead to guide them and see where it takes us. Like I say, I agree with our policy of signing young talented players along coupled with the odd older, experienced player. But we can't be selling after a year. This team has the potential to be a lot higher up the table. They will keep learning and growing together and from that the consistency that we crave will come. We need a team to believe in and Coady needs to be part of that.
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Post by hd7terrier on Jul 3, 2015 8:43:48 GMT 1
I have to be honest I'm getting a little peeved with the way the club keep selling our better players, which Conor clearly is. Is it just me that thinks it's time we started building a squad keeping our better players and adding 1 or 2 each season to improve us slightly further? IMO this is the only way we are going to make proper strides forward. If we get towards the playoffs the attendances will increase allowing us to buy even better players. Maybe then we could do a Blackpool or Burnley and sneak a promotion which lets be honest is what everyone of us fans want.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 3, 2015 8:44:36 GMT 1
We are not a bitter bunch us Town fans, whenever a Player leaves us he was never that good anyway. Clayton is a superb Midfielder, one of the best we have had over recent years (but he left us so no, he ain't all that). Rhodes, crap!, too slow and whatever else was said when he went.
Re Coady, wouldn't want him to leave but as others have said, we have to sell where the money is right and I don't have a problem with that.
Perhaps we can send Wolves Hogg instead and see if we can get away with it.
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Post by Tiro on Jul 3, 2015 8:47:14 GMT 1
If true I'd be disappointed as Coady has great potential. His personal influence and character being one of his biggest assets. I appreciate it maybe good business but we really need to build a team to have a "go" at this league. In Coady we have a player who will improve and fits into the group well. In my opinion his value will increase again after another season. Until the Academy produces some genuine quality rather than promising talent we need to develop as a team. I think we'd be a far better team/squad with Coady than without. There's a law of diminishing returns here in that you can't sell your better players consistently and hope to progress in the long term. Our policy makes economic sense and I genuinely understand our position but as fans we need a season of a team that we believe in. I see Coady as having that belief and attitude we need. We may get another player who we can develop but we've just developed a young player for a season and maybe let him go before we actually benefit from what he learned last season. Sadly it shows how tough it is for us to compete at this level. As long as clubs have more financial power we can only hope to punch above our weight or survive. Neither of which appear to attract attendances that would enable us to build a team that can press on. Genuinely sorry to be negative but at the moment I think that's where we are. I really hope we can still surprise a few this season and push on. Spot on. We limit our chances of progressing when we sell influential assets every season and replace them with a player who's not as established in the professional game (back to square one). Whether or not his form did drop, he played nearly every single game last season. The loss of that familiarity this season is something that can't be bought. As I said before, the general consensus for accepting this is "we're a selling club". Yet, since January we've been told "we don't need to sell". Which is it? Bollocks to the money, another 12 months and he could aid progression, retain stability and his value could increase. I'm very, very rarely critical of the board, but this disheartens me.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 3, 2015 8:52:14 GMT 1
I have to be honest I'm getting a little peeved with the way the club keep selling our better players, which Conor clearly is. Is it just me that thinks it's time we started building a squad keeping our better players and adding 1 or 2 each season to improve us slightly further? IMO this is the only way we are going to make proper strides forward. If we get towards the playoffs the attendances will increase allowing us to buy even better players. Maybe then we could do a Blackpool or Burnley and sneak a promotion which lets be honest is what everyone of us fans want. Please read what togterrier wrote... In order to get this quality of player it's likely that we agree to sell him if a club comes in for him for x amount... If wolves have triggered that clause then we sell... That's football.. There's not a lot we can do about it.. Without it we don't get the player.. And we've made money... It doesn't make for developing " legends" but it's modern football.. Take it or leave it
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Post by lex on Jul 3, 2015 8:54:32 GMT 1
Exactly my thoughts on the situation. Completely understand the economics of it but like I've been saying to friends and family about Town last season, we have a talented team of which last season was the first full season for a few at this level or the first full season for a while. For me, Coady faded a bit in the last couple of months maybe because of my point above. If we keep selling our better players and players with potential then we will never be higher than lower bottom half of the championship and gates will drop off. Conor Coady will be class, wherever he ends up this coming season as he will have learnt a hell of a lot from last season. We need to give this generally young talented squad 2 - 3 seasons to gel and add players such as Hudson and Whitehead to guide them and see where it takes us. Like I say, I agree with our policy of signing young talented players along coupled with the odd older, experienced player. But we can't be selling after a year. This team has the potential to be a lot higher up the table. They will keep learning and growing together and from that the consistency that we crave will come. We need a team to believe in and Coady needs to be part of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 9:09:19 GMT 1
I blame Ross Wilson.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 9:18:08 GMT 1
I have to be honest I'm getting a little peeved with the way the club keep selling our better players, which Conor clearly is. Is it just me that thinks it's time we started building a squad keeping our better players and adding 1 or 2 each season to improve us slightly further? IMO this is the only way we are going to make proper strides forward. If we get towards the playoffs the attendances will increase allowing us to buy even better players. Maybe then we could do a Blackpool or Burnley and sneak a promotion which lets be honest is what everyone of us fans want. Theres no evidence for that. Weve made big strides forward over the past 4 years and home support hasn't gone up at all. Back in the Rubery days we were up at the top of this diviison and crowds were small. Even recently under Robins and grayson weve had spells up near the top and crowds didn't grow. Unless someone else is prepared to join Dean Hoyle in chucking in loads of his money to bankrole the club and make up for the lack of support the people of the area give the club, then selling a player avery year or so for big profit it always going to be the correct strategy. We might get lucky and drop on a successful team like Blackpool and Burnley did, but thats all it was really- luck. But you can't rely on that happening so dealing in players and gradually improving the overall squad is the best , in fact only, way to go.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Jul 3, 2015 9:18:51 GMT 1
Think it'd be a mistake to sell him now. We could use his services for another year or two whilst his value rises and I have no doubt we could eventually sell him for more than is being quoted. Win-win situation.
I don't necessarily disagree with the clubs selling philosophy however it's difficult to see how we can progress if we don't keep hold of these promising players for an extended period.
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Post by lex on Jul 3, 2015 9:20:45 GMT 1
Exactly my thoughts on the situation. Completely understand the economics of it but like I've been saying to friends and family about Town last season, we have a talented team of which last season was the first full season for a few at this level or the first full season for a while. For me, Coady faded a bit in the last couple of months maybe because of my point above. If we keep selling our better players and players with potential then we will never be higher than lower bottom half of the championship and gates will drop off. Conor Coady will be class, wherever he ends up this coming season as he will have learnt a hell of a lot from last season. We need to give this generally young talented squad 2 - 3 seasons to gel and add players such as Hudson and Whitehead to guide them and see where it takes us. Like I say, I agree with our policy of signing young talented players along coupled with the odd older, experienced player. But we can't be selling after a year. This team has the potential to be a lot higher up the table. They will keep learning and growing together and from that the consistency that we crave will come. We need a team to believe in and Coady needs to be part of that. I would personally like to see Coady stay with the club as he appears to be a genuine lad and will progress into a really good player for the team ,however the club ( and the player probably ) has to look at the deal looking at the numbers being banded about. The key to the deal is who do we get to replace him if he goes and where the money in re-invested in the team. Last year we sold Clayton and Norwood however the money was spent wisely and we had a far stronger team from the deal.If the deal was for Butterfield I think it may be a different argument - this is the business model the club is built on.No need to panic yet gentlemen.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 3, 2015 9:20:47 GMT 1
I can't think of many (if any) examples under the current regime where we've sold a player and been worse off because of it. I'm sure the board know what they're doing and will have a suitable replacement lined up.
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Post by rocky on Jul 3, 2015 9:26:40 GMT 1
If true I'd be disappointed as Coady has great potential. His personal influence and character being one of his biggest assets. I appreciate it maybe good business but we really need to build a team to have a "go" at this league. In Coady we have a player who will improve and fits into the group well. In my opinion his value will increase again after another season. Until the Academy produces some genuine quality rather than promising talent we need to develop as a team. I think we'd be a far better team/squad with Coady than without. There's a law of diminishing returns here in that you can't sell your better players consistently and hope to progress in the long term. Our policy makes economic sense and I genuinely understand our position but as fans we need a season of a team that we believe in. I see Coady as having that belief and attitude we need. We may get another player who we can develop but we've just developed a young player for a season and maybe let him go before we actually benefit from what he learned last season. Sadly it shows how tough it is for us to compete at this level. As long as clubs have more financial power we can only hope to punch above our weight or survive. Neither of which appear to attract attendances that would enable us to build a team that can press on. Genuinely sorry to be negative but at the moment I think that's where we are. I really hope we can still surprise a few this season and push on. You make your point well, but I'm afraid the bit in bold sums it all up in a nutshell. Until we're in a better position to compete, the Coady situation will continue to happen. This policy is allowing us to survive at the lower end of the Championship, but it's difficult to see how we can push on with our current financial limitations when compared to virtually all the other teams. Only yesterday, Brentford signed a player for over £2m & Bristol City had a bid of around £2.5m turned down & both players were defenders! That's miles away from where we are & they are supposedly 2 of the lesser teams in the division. Apart from Rotherham & MK Dons (possibly), it's difficult to think of a 'smaller' club than Town. Don't think you need to apologise for being negative - you've summed up the reality of it all very well.
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Post by Tiro on Jul 3, 2015 9:35:14 GMT 1
I blame his replacement, Stuart Webber. Its clearly a conspiracy, that's why wolves let him go. Those who cant see this are fools. I wouldn't be surprised if he quits his role here, should the the Coady deal go through, and take up the same role at, say........ Cardiff?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 3, 2015 9:43:23 GMT 1
If true I'd be disappointed as Coady has great potential. His personal influence and character being one of his biggest assets. I appreciate it maybe good business but we really need to build a team to have a "go" at this league. In Coady we have a player who will improve and fits into the group well. In my opinion his value will increase again after another season. Until the Academy produces some genuine quality rather than promising talent we need to develop as a team. I think we'd be a far better team/squad with Coady than without. There's a law of diminishing returns here in that you can't sell your better players consistently and hope to progress in the long term. Our policy makes economic sense and I genuinely understand our position but as fans we need a season of a team that we believe in. I see Coady as having that belief and attitude we need. We may get another player who we can develop but we've just developed a young player for a season and maybe let him go before we actually benefit from what he learned last season. Sadly it shows how tough it is for us to compete at this level. As long as clubs have more financial power we can only hope to punch above our weight or survive. Neither of which appear to attract attendances that would enable us to build a team that can press on. Genuinely sorry to be negative but at the moment I think that's where we are. I really hope we can still surprise a few this season and push on. You make your point well, but I'm afraid the bit in bold sums it all up in a nutshell. Until we're in a better position to compete, the Coady situation will continue to happen. This policy is allowing us to survive at the lower end of the Championship, but it's difficult to see how we can push on with our current financial limitations when compared to virtually all the other teams. Only yesterday, Brentford signed a player for over £2m & Bristol City had a bid of around £2.5m turned down & both players were defenders! That's miles away from where we are & they are supposedly 2 of the lesser teams in the division. Apart from Rotherham & MK Dons (possibly), it's difficult to think of a 'smaller' club than Town. Don't think you need to apologise for being negative - you've summed up the reality of it all very well. Given that they're a smaller club than ours and if they are sticking to the FFP rules, then how come they can do it but we can't? I'm assuming that we're still getting the Rhodes money in annual instalments, but it all seems to go towards covering our losses. If we can't compete with teams like Brentford then there must be serious issues with the way the club is spending its money. If we ever hope to significantly improve our finances and league standing then we have to keep hold of our better players (Coady being one of them) and hope to have a crack at the top six. Constantly selling our best players and then starting from scratch to develop new ones isn't going to improve our squad, attendances and thus our income, other than in transfer fees.
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Post by tom1987 on Jul 3, 2015 9:50:57 GMT 1
I would personally like to see Coady stay with the club as he appears to be a genuine lad and will progress into a really good player for the team ,however the club ( and the player probably ) has to look at the deal looking at the numbers being banded about. The key to the deal is who do we get to replace him if he goes and where the money in re-invested in the team. Last year we sold Clayton and Norwood however the money was spent wisely and we had a far stronger team from the deal.If the deal was for Butterfield I think it may be a different argument - this is the business model the club is built on.No need to panic yet gentlemen. I'm not panicking nor do I disagree with the business model that's in place. But like I said, we need this team to develop together for us to solve the inconsistency issue. We can't sell our better players after 1 season. Another season at Town would do both parties the world of good. If we do sell we are going to keep going around in circles and never be higher than where we are. The gates will start to dwindle because people will start to get tired of it. The Norwood and Clayton deals were slightly different in that they both only had 1 year left I believe so cashing in was the right decision. How longs Coady got left? 2, 3 years? Selling him after 1 year would be scandalous I.M.O. In a years time after another season he will be worth more as he has more experience in this league and his game will have come on that bit more. This team has the potential with a couple more additions to be top ten, who knows even play-offs. You look at the league this year and for me, its not overly strong. I think itl be like first year back up where everybody beat everybody. If we can get the cosistency, by keeping the young talented core together we have a chance. Coady will learn a heck of a lot from Whitehead with the guys experience. Selling him now is not the right time. Like someone said, we are told we aren't a selling club. If that's the case, the balls in our court. Let's crack on and keep our better players and show this league that we can compete on the pitch every week.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 3, 2015 9:58:33 GMT 1
You make your point well, but I'm afraid the bit in bold sums it all up in a nutshell. Until we're in a better position to compete, the Coady situation will continue to happen. This policy is allowing us to survive at the lower end of the Championship, but it's difficult to see how we can push on with our current financial limitations when compared to virtually all the other teams. Only yesterday, Brentford signed a player for over £2m & Bristol City had a bid of around £2.5m turned down & both players were defenders! That's miles away from where we are & they are supposedly 2 of the lesser teams in the division. Apart from Rotherham & MK Dons (possibly), it's difficult to think of a 'smaller' club than Town. Don't think you need to apologise for being negative - you've summed up the reality of it all very well. Given that they're a smaller club than ours and if they are sticking to the FFP rules, then how come they can do it but we can't? I'm assuming that we're still getting the Rhodes money in annual instalments, but it all seems to go towards covering our losses. If we can't compete with teams like Brentford then there must be serious issues with the way the club is spending its money. If we ever hope to significantly improve our finances and league standing then we have to keep hold of our better players (Coady being one of them) and hope to have a crack at the top six. Constantly selling our best players and then starting from scratch to develop new ones isn't going to improve our squad, attendances and thus our income, other than in transfer fees. FFP rules have changed this season ceiling on allowable losses have gone up from £8m to £13m next
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 10:01:41 GMT 1
Bare in mind though, we were actually very close to making quite a considerable stride up the division last season , and that after selling our standout best player of the previous year in Clayton. We were very unlucky in a few late season home games not to take 3 points and really should have done, not to mention the Blackpool fiasco, so ok its if and buts, but IMO we 'should' really have finished around 12th or 11th- That would have been a fair reflection of where we are as a side.
And that is actually punching above our weight even more than we are doing. People have this expectation that we should be up near the top or something and if we aren't its down to some sort of lack of ambition. The truth is we're about the 19th/20th biggest club in the division. Our owner bankroles us as much as he's prepared to ( which is a hell of a lot) but we don't have the money injected like Bournemouth did.
If people are so dismayed by those home truths that they can't be bothered to support the club anymore, then theres not a lot the club can do , not possessing a money tree, and the challenges just get harder going forward.
I don't think anyone would want to see a player like Coady leave, but IMo I don't think anyone has the right to moan about it either. Its just an unavoidable fact of life for this club and its a credit to all concerned that when silimar sales have happened in the past, the club has still managed to continue its steady rise up the tables.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 10:11:49 GMT 1
Bare in mind though, we were actually very close to making quite a considerable stride up the division last season , and that after selling our standout best player of the previous year in Clayton. We were very unlucky in a few late season home games not to take 3 points and really should have done, not to mention the Blackpool fiasco, so ok its if and buts, but IMO we 'should' really have finished around 12th or 11th- That would have been a fair reflection of where we are as a side. And that is actually punching above our weight even more than we are doing. People have this expectation that we should be up near the top or something and if we aren't its down to some sort of lack of ambition. The truth is we're about the 19th/20th biggest club in the division. Our owner bankroles us as much as he's prepared to ( which is a hell of a lot) but we don't have the money injected like Bournemouth did. If people are so dismayed by those home truths that they can't be bothered to support the club anymore, then theres not a lot the club can do , not possessing a money tree, and the challenges just get harder going forward. I don't think anyone would want to see a player like Coady leave, but IMo I don't think anyone has the right to moan about it either. Its just an unavoidable fact of life for this club and its a credit to all concerned that when silimar sales have happened in the past, the club has still managed to continue its steady rise up the tables. So what you are saying is that we are never going to be able to build a decent team capable of challenging in the Championship - like we did in the late 60's and flirted with for a couple of months under Bruce. We are always going to cash in our chips? I can't argue that the business strategy hasn't been successful so far and the replacements for Clayton prove that point very well, but somehow flogging Coady on doesn't seem right or necessary at this stage.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 3, 2015 10:21:35 GMT 1
Bare in mind though, we were actually very close to making quite a considerable stride up the division last season , and that after selling our standout best player of the previous year in Clayton. We were very unlucky in a few late season home games not to take 3 points and really should have done, not to mention the Blackpool fiasco, so ok its if and buts, but IMO we 'should' really have finished around 12th or 11th- That would have been a fair reflection of where we are as a side. And that is actually punching above our weight even more than we are doing. People have this expectation that we should be up near the top or something and if we aren't its down to some sort of lack of ambition. The truth is we're about the 19th/20th biggest club in the division. Our owner bankroles us as much as he's prepared to ( which is a hell of a lot) but we don't have the money injected like Bournemouth did. If people are so dismayed by those home truths that they can't be bothered to support the club anymore, then theres not a lot the club can do , not possessing a money tree, and the challenges just get harder going forward. I don't think anyone would want to see a player like Coady leave, but IMo I don't think anyone has the right to moan about it either. Its just an unavoidable fact of life for this club and its a credit to all concerned that when silimar sales have happened in the past, the club has still managed to continue its steady rise up the tables. I have a slightly different take Captain. Forget budgets and all that, I think we can field a very talented Team (granted strength in depth is not our strong point). A Team that can compete and win matches against the top Teams in the division and should be higher up the table in my opinion. I also think we have a Team that doesn't truly believe in their own ability / capability and indeed Plays along the lines of the 'little Old Huddersfield pushing above their weight' card. With the right motivation and tactical approach, these Guys could go on that pitch believing they are better than the opposition which would be reflected in more positive performances and results. Approaching matches to nick a goal or a point means you are straight on the Backfoot before you have even kicked-off. This breeds doubt and lack of belief.
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Post by tom1987 on Jul 3, 2015 10:23:10 GMT 1
Bare in mind though, we were actually very close to making quite a considerable stride up the division last season , and that after selling our standout best player of the previous year in Clayton. We were very unlucky in a few late season home games not to take 3 points and really should have done, not to mention the Blackpool fiasco, so ok its if and buts, but IMO we 'should' really have finished around 12th or 11th- That would have been a fair reflection of where we are as a side. And that is actually punching above our weight even more than we are doing. People have this expectation that we should be up near the top or something and if we aren't its down to some sort of lack of ambition. The truth is we're about the 19th/20th biggest club in the division. Our owner bankroles us as much as he's prepared to ( which is a hell of a lot) but we don't have the money injected like Bournemouth did. If people are so dismayed by those home truths that they can't be bothered to support the club anymore, then theres not a lot the club can do , not possessing a money tree, and the challenges just get harder going forward. I don't think anyone would want to see a player like Coady leave, but IMo I don't think anyone has the right to moan about it either. Its just an unavoidable fact of life for this club and its a credit to all concerned that when silimar sales have happened in the past, the club has still managed to continue its steady rise up the tables. Yeah I appreciate that we were close to a top half finish and that's what I'm kind of getting at. If we could hold on to our better players from last season including Coady, this team has the ability to be really pushing on next season. I for one ain't saying anything about a lack of ambition. I appreciate that if an offer comes in for a player that is potentially the right offer, we have to think about it. But what I'm saying is, 1 year further down the the line after another season (hopefully great season) at this level playing regularly in an environment and team that Conor knows he will be worth more as itl bring the best out of him. It's a gamble, but it would be a calculated one and barring an bad injury (touch wood doesn't happen) would be worth taking. For me, keeping him for another season would be most beneficial for all parties involved.
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Post by Melc on Jul 3, 2015 10:24:50 GMT 1
Radio Leeds reporting Coady having medical at Wolves!
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jul 3, 2015 10:25:40 GMT 1
I wouldn't sell him for any other reason than we need a solid squad to survive November to March - we dont seem to have that much depth, and Whitehead at his age is unlikely to give us a full season - more like two thirds at his age.
Look at last season - that period was a real struggle for us.
If the money is that good - and there are others coming in that can slot straight in then fine, but if we spunk it off on more prospects we'll struggle again mid season.
We offloaded a load of players in January to free up wages so we cant surely need the wage off the books?
So the only way he goes is if we have an experienced and fit replacement lined up and not another 'development prospect' coming in.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 10:27:40 GMT 1
Bare in mind though, we were actually very close to making quite a considerable stride up the division last season , and that after selling our standout best player of the previous year in Clayton. We were very unlucky in a few late season home games not to take 3 points and really should have done, not to mention the Blackpool fiasco, so ok its if and buts, but IMO we 'should' really have finished around 12th or 11th- That would have been a fair reflection of where we are as a side. And that is actually punching above our weight even more than we are doing. People have this expectation that we should be up near the top or something and if we aren't its down to some sort of lack of ambition. The truth is we're about the 19th/20th biggest club in the division. Our owner bankroles us as much as he's prepared to ( which is a hell of a lot) but we don't have the money injected like Bournemouth did. If people are so dismayed by those home truths that they can't be bothered to support the club anymore, then theres not a lot the club can do , not possessing a money tree, and the challenges just get harder going forward. I don't think anyone would want to see a player like Coady leave, but IMo I don't think anyone has the right to moan about it either. Its just an unavoidable fact of life for this club and its a credit to all concerned that when silimar sales have happened in the past, the club has still managed to continue its steady rise up the tables. So what you are saying is that we are never going to be able to build a decent team capable of challenging in the Championship - like we did in the late 60's and flirted with for a couple of months under Bruce. We are always going to cash in our chips? I can't argue that the business strategy hasn't been successful so far and the replacements for Clayton prove that point very well, but somehow flogging Coady on doesn't seem right or necessary at this stage. Basically yes- we will have to sell a good player every year or so and try to inject that back into the squad and improve overall. Weve already been doing just that for 4 or 5 years now and so far its proving to be a successful strategy. thats not the same as saying we'll never compete at the top end though. But we aren't going to buy our way there like we could in league 1.
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Post by tom1987 on Jul 3, 2015 10:27:45 GMT 1
Radio Leeds reporting Coady having medical at Wolves! If that's the case, good look to him.
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