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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 11:12:53 GMT 1
I have a uniform and everything mate!! As i see it ( and I try to use IMO a lot when posting by the way which doesn't go down well at Dictator school I can tell you! ) , we don't NEED to sell in that the club isn't going to fold if we don't. Ive always took it that thats what the club means when it says that. But we DO NEED to sell if we are going to wheel and deal in the transfer market- which the club has to do if its going to continue progressing upwards. We can't just rely on or expect dean hoyle to fund everything from his own pocket. IMO Ha! I was alluding to your assertion that I have no right criticise or moan. Who designed your uniforms? (Made me think of this ) I just don't mate. because one way or another, the 'moan' amounts to the same thing- 'Dean, you aren't pumping enough of your money in!' And i really don't think thats justified. Especially not when support numbers are falling whilst the league positions are rising!
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jul 3, 2015 11:13:18 GMT 1
Not many people like to admit it but this season more than others we really need to invest. 'Yeah but its deans money he can do what he wants' well the reality is if we don't see much more of it I can see a disappointing season ahead
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jul 3, 2015 11:14:30 GMT 1
OK Captain name me a £300k replacement for Conor Coady if its so easy Youre asking the wrong man. if they haven't played for Town i haven't heard of them! You REALLY think Coady is such a special player there aren't other options available?? I mean hes a good player but c'mon. Like i said, IMO in a 442 ( our most likely formation) he isn't even going to be starting if everyones fit! If CP plays this formation he's a dinosaur, last 7 games we play a sort of 352 and the result a solid end to the season, forget 442 we haven't the players and we will get over-run in midfield ....maybe go 4-2-3-1` away
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 11:17:27 GMT 1
Not many people like to admit it but this season more than others we really need to invest. 'Yeah but its deans money he can do what he wants' well the reality is if we don't see much more of it I can see a disappointing season ahead Why? Don';t see anything to suggest that. The divisions no harder ( maybe a little easier IMO) , we have a more established manager, a few new signings and should really have finished half way last time. Im pretty glass half full about it myself.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 3, 2015 11:18:04 GMT 1
OK Captain name me a £300k replacement for Conor Coady if its so easy Youre asking the wrong man. if they haven't played for Town i haven't heard of them! You REALLY think Coady is such a special player there aren't other options available?? I mean hes a good player but c'mon. Like i said, IMO in a 442 ( our most likely formation) he isn't even going to be starting if everyones fit! I think Coady is a very player who will not be easily replaced for 300k or even 1m
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 11:19:20 GMT 1
...I'm pretty sure Powell said that at the start of the window! Your logic is that we are going to accept a decent bid for any of our players at any time.I truly hope Bobby Noname is a good un. We have had quite a few Bobby Nonames in the last few years! I was just looking forward to seeing Coady develop with us - rather than pushing Wolves up the table. Having seen them a couple of times - he is just what they need. Did you really think we aren't if its high enough? Just us, barca, Real, PSG Bayern and Chelsea then?? I'll give in then - you were secretly happy with us flogging Marcus Stewart - good business sense!
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Post by swedenterrier on Jul 3, 2015 11:20:17 GMT 1
Youre asking the wrong man. if they haven't played for Town i haven't heard of them! You REALLY think Coady is such a special player there aren't other options available?? I mean hes a good player but c'mon. Like i said, IMO in a 442 ( our most likely formation) he isn't even going to be starting if everyones fit! I think Coady is a very player who will not be easily replaced for 300k or even 1m the same was said about clayton last summer
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 3, 2015 11:22:05 GMT 1
Did you really think we aren't if its high enough? Just us, barca, Real, PSG Bayern and Chelsea then?? I'll give in then - you were secretly happy with us flogging Marcus Stewart - good business sense! That was the worst piece of footballing business this club has ever conducted. It still grates with me to this day.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 11:22:29 GMT 1
Youre asking the wrong man. if they haven't played for Town i haven't heard of them! You REALLY think Coady is such a special player there aren't other options available?? I mean hes a good player but c'mon. Like i said, IMO in a 442 ( our most likely formation) he isn't even going to be starting if everyones fit! If CP plays this formation he's a dinosaur, last 7 games we play a sort of 352 and the result a solid end to the season, forget 442 we haven't the players and we will get over-run in midfield ....maybe go 4-2-3-1` away 4-4-2 is the formation least likely to get the best out of Butterfield. We'd get overrun game after game and Butterfield would end up looking a liability.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 11:22:33 GMT 1
Youre asking the wrong man. if they haven't played for Town i haven't heard of them! You REALLY think Coady is such a special player there aren't other options available?? I mean hes a good player but c'mon. Like i said, IMO in a 442 ( our most likely formation) he isn't even going to be starting if everyones fit! If CP plays this formation he's a dinosaur, last 7 games we play a sort of 352 and the result a solid end to the season, forget 442 we haven't the players and we will get over-run in midfield ....maybe go 4-2-3-1` away It might be 352 when were attacking with one of the full backs pushing on, but its a basic 442 really. 2 centre backs and 2 full backs. Theres nothing wrong with calling it 442 at all so long as it is fluid ( 352 or 343 when going forward)
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 11:23:22 GMT 1
Did you really think we aren't if its high enough? Just us, barca, Real, PSG Bayern and Chelsea then?? I'll give in then - you were secretly happy with us flogging Marcus Stewart - good business sense! What? ( slaps hand on forehead)
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 3, 2015 11:30:50 GMT 1
I think Coady is a very player who will not be easily replaced for 300k or even 1m the same was said about clayton last summer I don't think it was because clayton was on the last year of his contract and didn't want to sign a new one
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Post by Amigo on Jul 3, 2015 11:34:35 GMT 1
the same was said about clayton last summer I don't think it was because clayton was on the last year of his contract and didn't want to sign a new one Doesn't matter why he left, fact is he was replaced and in my opinion not missed.
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Post by dugnet on Jul 3, 2015 11:35:02 GMT 1
It's not about Dean "putting more in" it's about holding what he has a bit longer, just speculating a little more.
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Post by pieeater on Jul 3, 2015 11:35:20 GMT 1
This idea that players have a 'value' that is anything other than what someone else is prepared to pay for them is bizarre to me.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 11:37:29 GMT 1
I'll give in then - you were secretly happy with us flogging Marcus Stewart - good business sense! What? ( slaps hand on forehead) I was trying to jokingly ask - where do you draw the line? Round Coady would have been sensible for me.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 3, 2015 11:46:16 GMT 1
I don't think it was because clayton was on the last year of his contract and didn't want to sign a new one Doesn't matter why he left, fact is he was replaced and in my opinion not missed. Any player who plays 49 games in his first season at a higher level will be missed
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 11:50:53 GMT 1
I don't think we have a line. Liverpool and man utd don't, so why would Huddersfield?
If an offer is good enough then ANY player is saleable. We have 4 or 5 key players Id rather not sell ahead of Coady. Hes a mid-range player with potential thats all. The sale of Clayton last summer was a much bigger risk for the club IMO as he was our standout best player, and that turned out ok in the end. Same with Rhodes a couple of years earlier and again that turned out ok.
Selling Stewart was a disastrous decision but the circumstances were nothing like what we as a club are doing now. He was THE key player. It was in the middle of a promotion push and to a rival in that push. The owner did it to recoup as much money as he could knowing he was about to get out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:52:50 GMT 1
With Powel 3-4-3 no chance, 4-5-1 mostly, 3-5-2 other times, Wells no good on his own up front, so his sale would pay for decent defenders, which is what we need to progress.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 11:53:06 GMT 1
It's not about Dean "putting more in" it's about holding what he has a bit longer, just speculating a little more. How does he speculate more, without putting more in? Powell no doubt has some targets hed like to bring in. What are we going to finance them with if it isn't Dean putting more in?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:54:31 GMT 1
I don't think we have a line. Liverpool and man utd don't, so why would Huddersfield? If an offer is good enough then ANY player is saleable. We have 4 or 5 key players Id rather not sell ahead of Coady. Hes a mid-range player with potential thats all. The sale of Clayton last summer was a much bigger risk for the club IMO as he was our standout best player, and that turned out ok in the end. Same with Rhodes a couple of years earlier and again that turned out ok. Selling Stewart was a disastrous decision but the circumstances were nothing like what we as a club are doing now. He was THE key player. It was in the middle of a promotion push and to a rival in that push. The owner did it to recoup as much money as he could knowing he was about to get out. and something not related to football. ps As far as coady is concerned im sure town know what they are doing lets just see what develops but its certainly on the cards
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Post by pieeater on Jul 3, 2015 11:55:32 GMT 1
It's not about Dean "putting more in" it's about holding what he has a bit longer, just speculating a little more. How does he speculate more, without putting more in? Powell no doubt has some targets hed like to bring in. What are we going to finance them with if it isn't Dean putting more in? Correct. 'Ambition', 'invest', 'speculate' -- these are all code for 'Get your chequebook out Dean'. Even if you don't intend it to be that, it's what it is. Ambition, investment and speculation costs money. It has to be raised from somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:57:31 GMT 1
So two weeks ago he was loving it at Town,and wants more assists, goals ect,now he wants to leave,,,he's either a lying cnt,,,or he has the memory span of a guppy,
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 11:57:50 GMT 1
If CP plays this formation he's a dinosaur, last 7 games we play a sort of 352 and the result a solid end to the season, forget 442 we haven't the players and we will get over-run in midfield ....maybe go 4-2-3-1` away It might be 352 when were attacking with one of the full backs pushing on, but its a basic 442 really. 2 centre backs and 2 full backs. Theres nothing wrong with calling it 442 at all so long as it is fluid ( 352 or 343 when going forward) On that basis you might as well call all formations 4-4-2. They key to me is having 3 in central midfield and I struggle to call that 4-4-2.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jul 3, 2015 12:01:37 GMT 1
So two weeks ago he was loving it at Town,and wants more assists, goals ect,now he wants to leave,,,he's either a lying cnt,,,or he has the memory span of a guppy, I'd say as a young footballer he's a natural mix of both. A bullshittycntguppy type
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 12:03:34 GMT 1
I don't think we have a line. Liverpool and man utd don't, so why would Huddersfield? If an offer is good enough then ANY player is saleable. We have 4 or 5 key players Id rather not sell ahead of Coady. Hes a mid-range player with potential thats all. The sale of Clayton last summer was a much bigger risk for the club IMO as he was our standout best player, and that turned out ok in the end. Same with Rhodes a couple of years earlier and again that turned out ok. Selling Stewart was a disastrous decision but the circumstances were nothing like what we as a club are doing now. He was THE key player. It was in the middle of a promotion push and to a rival in that push. The owner did it to recoup as much money as he could knowing he was about to get out. I guess that's where we differ. I'd put Coady, along with Lynch and Butterfield as the 3 I'd least like to sell and most like to build a team around. If you see Coady as 6th in the list then fair enough. Life goes on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 12:08:51 GMT 1
So two weeks ago he was loving it at Town,and wants more assists, goals ect,now he wants to leave,,,he's either a lying cnt,,,or he has the memory span of a guppy, What's a guppy? Somebody told me earlier but I forgot.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 3, 2015 12:10:36 GMT 1
I don't think we have a line. Liverpool and man utd don't, so why would Huddersfield? If an offer is good enough then ANY player is saleable. We have 4 or 5 key players Id rather not sell ahead of Coady. Hes a mid-range player with potential thats all. The sale of Clayton last summer was a much bigger risk for the club IMO as he was our standout best player, and that turned out ok in the end. Same with Rhodes a couple of years earlier and again that turned out ok. Selling Stewart was a disastrous decision but the circumstances were nothing like what we as a club are doing now. He was THE key player. It was in the middle of a promotion push and to a rival in that push. The owner did it to recoup as much money as he could knowing he was about to get out. I guess that's where we differ. I'd put Coady, along with Lynch and Butterfield as the 3 I'd least like to sell and most like to build a team around. If you see Coady as 6th in the list then fair enough. Life goes on. I'd go with Butterfield, Scannell, Lynch, Vaughan, Smithies (controversial for a lot but for me bizarrely underrated by a lot of town fans, it'll only become obvious when he eventually leaves) I'd be more disappointed with if they went and I'd put him on a par with Bunn, doesn't mean I don't rate him or his potential but if he's the one player to go and we can get good money and improve elsewhere it's not the biggest disaster in the world.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 12:13:32 GMT 1
It might be 352 when were attacking with one of the full backs pushing on, but its a basic 442 really. 2 centre backs and 2 full backs. Theres nothing wrong with calling it 442 at all so long as it is fluid ( 352 or 343 when going forward) On that basis you might as well call all formations 4-4-2. They key to me is having 3 in central midfield and I struggle to call that 4-4-2. All formations are fluid, or should be. Ours certainly was last season and Powell was always tinkering with it thoughout a game. We had 4 defenders on the pitch most of the time. 2 centre backs , a right back and a left back. We had 2 strikers most of the time too ( not always by any stretch but most of the time). That leaves 4 midfielders. But the whole thing should be fluid. Full backs push on when we have the ball and become an extra midfielder ( 352) . Midfielders push on and become an extra forward. (343) When defending an attacker might fdrop back and become an extra midfielder ( 451 ) 442 is a standard base formation, bit it never just stays like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 12:15:40 GMT 1
JUST WHEN U THINK THAT AT LAST WE HAVE GOT GENUINE COMPETITION FOR PLACES THIS TRANSFER HAPPENS. Would personally have kept him this season his value would only increase....well I thought it was Butters to go when Whitehead came in (offer of £3mill on table)never in my wildest dreams did I think it would be Coady we shifted to ease the wage bill....WELLS ON WAY TOO BURNLEY SNIFFING AGAIN and don't be surprised for someone to come in for Scanz. Have you got a problem with your keyboard?
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