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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 5, 2015 12:05:33 GMT 1
He probably expects that anyway, but the point I'm trying to make is that if we hang onto our better players then we might eventually have the success that would enable the club to survive without him propping us up. Have our cake AND eat it you mean? I think all that dodgy Jock beer must be addling your brain! And anyway, IF we kept the best players, how on earth would all those (you know, the ones you keep banging on about) gems in the development squad ever make the team? You're right, I was just a quiet so and so who got on with supporting the club before I was poisoned with the piss they serve up here. Oh for the 15th of August and skinful in the Rat
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 12:13:36 GMT 1
More because it isn't grounded in reality. Have you read the accounts thread? I know it's an obvious question, but where does the extra money come from to fund not selling a player and still spending on more signings? Certainly not from the net money we would make from 2,000 season tickets, if that even is how many we've lost. You give Burnley and Blackpool as examples - they got promoted using the same business model we are. Easy to forget the year Burnley got promoted they sold Charlie Austin, a far better and more important player for them than Coady was for us. Always baffles me how people can acknowledge we're finishing higher up the league each season and then claim we're not progressing. Yes were finishing higher up the league but at the rate we're going we might just challenge for the play offs in five years time. If we really are progressing then why when we had over 9,000 season ticket holders in 2012/3 do we have less than 7,000 now (club's figures a couple of weeks ago)? Its probably a number of things such as selling your better players when a decent offer comes in, season ticket prices etc. I don't have all the answers. Last season we probably had our best midfield since the early Bruce days, but we've now let go of two of them (Gobern & Coady) and whilst Whitehead has a lot of experience, do we really expect him at 33 to get up down the pitch like Coady did? We might drop lucky and pick up somebody equally as good or better than Coady on the cheap. The way we finished last season, I was optimistic that with two or three quality signings (a couple of defenders included) then we might have a crack at the top ten at least next season, but what happens if we get a decent offer for Butterfield, Wells, Vaughan etc? If we sell then I see us going backwards again. What do you mean again? We haven't done when we've sold other players (most of who I'd argue were better than Coady) Think a bit of patience is needed on the signings front. We've still got a month to the season starts, we ended up getting people in late last time and our kitty was only boosted a couple of days ago. I also don't think/hope Whitehead was brought in as a replacement for Coady. I'd be disappointed if we don't sign anyone else, I'd also be pretty surprised. Same goes for season tickets, you can only make a fair comparison at the start of the season, although it does seem likely they've dropped.
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Post by AndySk on Jul 5, 2015 12:24:34 GMT 1
I want to keep all our good young players (especially the ones who want away in which case keep them til their contract runs down and let them go for nothing), sign new players and not on the cheap, offer big wages to attract better players (both young and experienced) and i expect the match tickets to be cheaper as they are too much.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 5, 2015 12:25:19 GMT 1
Yes were finishing higher up the league but at the rate we're going we might just challenge for the play offs in five years time. If we really are progressing then why when we had over 9,000 season ticket holders in 2012/3 do we have less than 7,000 now (club's figures a couple of weeks ago)? Its probably a number of things such as selling your better players when a decent offer comes in, season ticket prices etc. I don't have all the answers. Last season we probably had our best midfield since the early Bruce days, but we've now let go of two of them (Gobern & Coady) and whilst Whitehead has a lot of experience, do we really expect him at 33 to get up down the pitch like Coady did? We might drop lucky and pick up somebody equally as good or better than Coady on the cheap. The way we finished last season, I was optimistic that with two or three quality signings (a couple of defenders included) then we might have a crack at the top ten at least next season, but what happens if we get a decent offer for Butterfield, Wells, Vaughan etc? If we sell then I see us going backwards again. What do you mean again? We haven't done when we've sold other players (most of who I'd argue were better than Coady) Think a bit of patience is needed on the signings front. We've still got a month to the season starts, we ended up getting people in late last time and our kitty was only boosted a couple of days ago. I also don't think/hope Whitehead was brought in as a replacement for Coady. I'd be disappointed if we don't sign anyone else, I'd also be pretty surprised. Same goes for season tickets, you can only make a fair comparison at the start of the season, although it does seem likely they've dropped. As in a few years ago when we slipped down the leagues and I'm not suggesting we will just on the back of the Coady sale. Anyway I'll call it a draw on this subject where I've probably gone a bit over the top.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Jul 5, 2015 13:42:30 GMT 1
Parachute payment & Russian billonaire helps, we have neither. Totally agree! As far as Burnley, if you thought Arfield would be a vital component of a promotion winning team, you're a liar Burnley are still a selling club too. Austin went to fund the players that they needed. Now Trippier and Ings have been sold to do exactly the same. Bournemouth had approximately £9m from the sale of Grabban and the sell on fee for Lallana which enabled them to strengthen the squad.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 5, 2015 14:13:07 GMT 1
What if we go out and get a midfield maestro for £2m? We don't know what players the club have identified yet. Town fans were outraged we sold Clayton for money plus butterfield. Without that extra money we may not have got Coady, who we've just sold for a profit. One sale doesn't mean the end of our season. What us spend £2 million on one player, and anyway its a top quality central defender we need most (imo). That's maybe why we accepted the offer for Coady, he wasn't seen as essential. We saw him as a player we could cope without, whereas we may have played hard ball if it was say Butterfield or Lynch who are easily the best at their role. I could see a similar call re Wells if we aren't likely to play two up top. Let's wait and see though. Fingers crossed we won't see any other major outs and a top drawer CB come in. Maybe even McGugan to boot!
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 5, 2015 19:11:50 GMT 1
1999-2000 season produced some of the best football seen from HTFC in the last 40-odd years. The attendances were crap then as well. Top (not just near the top, actually top) of the league and getting attendances of 13-14k. Would our attendances really increase so much, even if we went shit or bust? People presumably also know that we will only sell when we do get a decent offer, and that the money will be reinvested in quality replacements. If selling Clayton and Norwood & replacing with Coady and Butterfield, and each year performing better than the last, 8 years running is putting people off coming to watch HTFC, then I suggest Deano sells up and lets Carlos Slim and the Koch brothers take over. Those were the days when we still counted the number of people actually attending the game, unlike today's gates which includes all those season ticket holders (20%) who have stayed at home. The standard answers from those who think the sun shines out of Hoyle's arse are that he might as well sell up or would you rather go back to the Davy days of league one? I want neither of those but I do want to see us challenging in the top half rather than inching up year on year and calling it progress. Progress to me would be hanging onto our better players, adding a few bargains along the way (Coady, Butterfield etc) and having a bloody good go at making the top six. Clubs such as Bournemouth, Blackpool & Burnley, all of whom are no bigger than us have done it in recent years so why not us? Inching up year on year is progress. As for the 3 clubs you mention, Bournemouth are owned by a man that makes Dean Hoyle look impoverished by comparison (and even they sold their best player in Lewis Grabban when the right offer came in). Blackpool were promoted, but not after a big spending spree. Well, I say they didn't have a big spending spree - they broke their transfer record to spend £500k on Charlie Adam... Burnley, - where was their big spend? They sold Jay Rodriguez when the right offer came in, then sold Charlie Austin at the start of their promotion year.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2015 0:41:40 GMT 1
What about all the clubs who not only hung onto their best players, but spent a fortune buying in other players to go with them, and DIDN'T do any better than us? They never seem to get a mention.
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