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Post by ritchie on Jul 21, 2015 21:47:37 GMT 1
Give over! scannell is much more of a headless chicken and i like scannell! For all the stick he gets about "hanging on to the ball too long etc" he demolishes our other wingers in output. So cant be that bad.. Wow, what you drinking, speechless ? Great argument.
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Post by y2troy on Jul 21, 2015 21:47:39 GMT 1
No good having a player that is gonna upset the team both off the pitch and frustrate the ethos of the team on it ...granted has the ability in him and maybe CP if he wants can coach out of him ...But could his wages be used in other areas
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 21, 2015 21:54:04 GMT 1
No good having a player that is gonna upset the team both off the pitch and frustrate the ethos of the team on it ...granted has the ability in him and maybe CP if he wants can coach out of him ...But could his wages be used in other areas Spot on, this assist thing is rubbish, the bloke chases his own rear end most of the games.
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Post by ritchie on Jul 21, 2015 21:59:12 GMT 1
No good having a player that is gonna upset the team both off the pitch and frustrate the ethos of the team on it ...granted has the ability in him and maybe CP if he wants can coach out of him ...But could his wages be used in other areas Spot on, this assist thing is rubbish, the bloke chases his own rear end most of the games. How so?
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Post by shawsie on Jul 21, 2015 22:00:52 GMT 1
Is he hell, headless chicken morelike Give over! scannell is much more of a headless chicken and i like scannell! For all the stick he gets about "hanging on to the ball too long etc" he demolishes our other wingers in output. So cant be that bad.. Its no good having positive output if your lack of desire and application going back the other way exposes the team defensively ..........bournemouth at home 1 min being a prime example. Get shut now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 22:48:00 GMT 1
Is he hell, headless chicken morelike Utter bollocks, try his goals and assists against Scannells during their time here and see who's more productive Sent from my SM-G900F using pro boards Stats arn't meaningless but they don't tell the full story
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 22:50:43 GMT 1
Hammill, if fully focused, would still easily be our best winger IMO. Big if though. He's lost something he used to have Ritchie, he's lost much of his muchness like Alice in Wonderland
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Post by ritchie on Jul 21, 2015 23:03:08 GMT 1
Give over! scannell is much more of a headless chicken and i like scannell! For all the stick he gets about "hanging on to the ball too long etc" he demolishes our other wingers in output. So cant be that bad.. Its no good having positive output if your lack of desire and application going back the other way exposes the team defensively .......... bournemouth at home 1 min being a prime example. Get shut now. Prime example being an an opening season team battering by the league champions elect.. Surely non of our other wingers have ever been guilty of exposing the team defensively!! Whats your opinion on joe lolley shawsie, would he be less likely to expose us defensively than hammill? It's funny but assists/goals stats only seem to count if they suit a persons argument. Personally, I generally judge attacking/flair players on their productivity...tactical discipline is something a coach should be able to drill into a player like hammill (who did a respectable job at WB).....but anyway "lack of desire and application" is one thing...to call him a "headless chicken" over sean scannell is absolute deluded nonsense. I dont see how this is even arguable!? As I said...too much baggage it seems, so I'm not even arguing we should probably "get shut" - but people have short memories. Player of the season last january and still potentially the best winger on our books by far.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 21, 2015 23:56:23 GMT 1
Its no good having positive output if your lack of desire and application going back the other way exposes the team defensively .......... bournemouth at home 1 min being a prime example. Get shut now. Prime example being an an opening season team battering by the league champions elect.. Surely non of our other wingers have ever been guilty of exposing the team defensively!! Whats your opinion on joe lolley shawsie, would he be less likely to expose us defensively than hammill? It's funny but assists/goals stats only seem to count if they suit a persons argument. Personally, I generally judge attacking/flair players on their productivity...tactical discipline is something a coach should be able to drill into a player like hammill (who did a respectable job at WB).....but anyway "lack of desire and application" is one thing...to call him a "headless chicken" over sean scannell is absolute deluded nonsense. I dont see how this is even arguable!? As I said...too much baggage it seems, so I'm not even arguing we should probably "get shut" - but people have short memories. Player of the season last january and still potentially the best winger on our books by far. Can only judge on what i see and in scanz and lolley i see two lads who work hard whether they play well or productively or not. With hammill i see a talented lad who at 27 (not 22/23 like the others) hasnt managed to hold a regular starting berth for years now except at a piss poor barnsley team under robins - the one manager to get a regular tune from him,but seemingly nobody else!!! Nobody has been able to drill discipline into hammill on or off the pitch - powell, evans, Grayson, lillis, even robins have all said so....."its up to adam" seems to be the regular mantra as yet more months slip by with bugger all change and little improvement. The takent is indisputable and you could genuinely argue he has more natural talent than the other two.......but its bugger all use if you all you do are ridiculous ruddy stepovers and then sulk when its not going well. Poor signing imo and time to go.
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Post by ritchie on Jul 22, 2015 1:03:29 GMT 1
Prime example being an an opening season team battering by the league champions elect.. Surely non of our other wingers have ever been guilty of exposing the team defensively!! Whats your opinion on joe lolley shawsie, would he be less likely to expose us defensively than hammill? It's funny but assists/goals stats only seem to count if they suit a persons argument. Personally, I generally judge attacking/flair players on their productivity...tactical discipline is something a coach should be able to drill into a player like hammill (who did a respectable job at WB).....but anyway "lack of desire and application" is one thing...to call him a "headless chicken" over sean scannell is absolute deluded nonsense. I dont see how this is even arguable!? As I said...too much baggage it seems, so I'm not even arguing we should probably "get shut" - but people have short memories. Player of the season last january and still potentially the best winger on our books by far. Can only judge on what i see and i n scanz and lolley i see two lads who work hard whether they play well or productively or not. With hammill i see a talented lad who at 27 (not 22/23 like the others) hasnt managed to hold a regular starting berth for years now except at a piss poor barnsley team under robins - the one manager to get a regular tune from him,but seemingly nobody else!!! Nobody has been able to drill discipline into hammill on or off the pitch - powell, evans, Grayson, lillis, even robins have all said so....."its up to adam" seems to be the regular mantra as yet more months slip by with bugger all change and little improvement. The takent is indisputable and you could genuinely argue he has more natural talent than the other two.......but its bugger all use if you all you do are ridiculous ruddy stepovers and then sulk when its not going well. Poor signing imo and time to go. I could do that. Wouldnt win us football matches though. I'm not trying to put our other wingers down, i rate them, but i do find it funny how peoples opinion (not necessarily you) of hammill have changed as fast as opinions of scannell in the opposite direction. Suddenly scannell is god and hammill a headless chicken. headless *cough* imo hes been one of our best players this season, very pleased and so what the way he reacted. now let him destroy Clarkys disorganised lot. showing his ugly side again but at least he cares, id rather have that than some of the crap weve had over the years... the yids couldnt live with Hammil yesterday, take a bow son... maybe the silly episode he had and resolving it all has really made him try even harder, he caused that own goal just watched the high lights, he was really really good yesterday. credit to Hammil this season, been excellent so far, I was one who had a go over his daft antics last season but hes really putting some work in. keep it up now. *cough* chicken. I have no problem with folk saying he's not worth the baggage, but it's funny how peoples memories are skewed when hearing of said baggage! At his best he was better than scannell (IMO) but that seems to be disregarded now...at that time he was as influential as scanz last season but got goals and assists to go with it.......also lets not forget scannell was a waste of space until september last year when you talk about him being a player who "works hard" etc If someone comes in for him, by all means move him on...but if not, i'd still see him as potentially a big player for us because as a fan i always hope a manager can turn a player round (see scannell) and get the best out of them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 1:15:08 GMT 1
Get rid for me. Needs to stop bringing his luggage with him onto the pitch and some of it is frankly too unsavoury.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 16:18:21 GMT 1
Spot on, this assist thing is rubbish, the bloke chases his own rear end most of the games. How so? Ritchie, why are you bothering?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 22, 2015 17:40:38 GMT 1
Ritchie, why are you bothering? He did nothing on loan, he didn't do much when here. Maybe ok for a bench place.
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Post by ritchie on Jul 22, 2015 20:55:23 GMT 1
Ritchie, why are you bothering? He did nothing on loan, he didn't do much when here. Maybe ok for a bench place. imo hes been one of our best players this season, very pleased and so what the way he reacted. now let him destroy Clarkys disorganised lot.
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Post by ritchie on Jul 22, 2015 20:56:04 GMT 1
Ritchie, why are you bothering? Fish in a barrel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 22:09:57 GMT 1
He doesn't play with his head up. Something that you are taught not to do at 12 years old. Premier league scouts saw, though that can be easily trained...signed him. Couldn't train him, now in his late 20's, playing at bottom of the championship/top of league one. He's found his level.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Jul 28, 2015 21:51:54 GMT 1
Get rid for me. Needs to stop bringing his luggage with him onto the pitch and some of it is frankly too unsavoury. A post that covers my opinion on Hammil. Loved the guy when he first came to us. Met him a couple of times and 'seemed' a nice lad too. Thought at times he played really well too. Suffered a terrible injury and never seemed to be the same since. Then his personal life became quite public behaving like some Neanderthal (in my opinion!) whilst having his behaviour made public quite rightly by his then pregnant girlfriend. To me Hammil is one very lucky footballer to have had the run out at Rochdale for Huddersfield Town. That's excluding the whole paramedic debarcle. Anyone in his position with any sense would keep their head down and work hard especially given he's in a position to earn a great deal of money. I somehow don't think that will happen though. Purely my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 7:45:31 GMT 1
Get rid for me. Needs to stop bringing his luggage with him onto the pitch and some of it is frankly too unsavoury. A post that covers my opinion on Hammil. Loved the guy when he first came to us. Met him a couple of times and 'seemed' a nice lad too. Thought at times he played really well too. Suffered a terrible injury and never seemed to be the same since. Then his personal life became quite public behaving like some Neanderthal (in my opinion!) whilst having his behaviour made public quite rightly by his then pregnant girlfriend. To me Hammil is one very lucky footballer to have had the run out at Rochdale for Huddersfield Town. That's excluding the whole paramedic debarcle. Anyone in his position with any sense would keep their head down and work hard especially given he's in a position to earn a great deal of money. I somehow don't think that will happen though. Purely my opinion. Exactly-this seems to be totally overlooked on the Hammill debate. I really rated him before his injury but off-field problems aside, he just isn't the same player he once was. He's lost pace and he does't go past people anymore.
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Post by royrace on Jul 29, 2015 9:50:57 GMT 1
This is similar to the Scannell thread last closed season with the majority having run out of patience with him. There's a player in there somewhere and we're still paying him big wages so it would be great if he could recapture some of his form. If he's a bad apple in the squad then that's a different thing and we should be looking to move him on ASAP, if not one more chance maybe. As has been said, and forgotten by most, he was our most productive winger by far relatively recently, that's a fact despite what people choose to remember about him. Also worth remembering he's blown hot and cold all his career; similar to Butterfield in a way and Scannell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:04:49 GMT 1
This is similar to the Scannell thread last closed season with the majority having run out of patience with him. There's a player in there somewhere and we're still paying him big wages so it would be great if he could recapture some of his form. If he's a bad apple in the squad then that's a different thing and we should be looking to move him on ASAP, if not one more chance maybe. As has been said, and forgotten by most, he was our most productive winger by far relatively recently, that's a fact despite what people choose to remember about him. Also worth remembering he's blown hot and cold all his career; similar to Butterfield in a way and Scannell. Again, he was before that injury, he's not been the same since, this is the worrying thing. A bad tackle and some players just seem to lose confidence/speed and just turn soft as shit. Look at Ben Thornley, went from speedy, flairey hot head, to soft as hell and completely useless.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:21:09 GMT 1
maybe he just needs a powell hug?
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Post by royrace on Jul 29, 2015 13:52:18 GMT 1
This is similar to the Scannell thread last closed season with the majority having run out of patience with him. There's a player in there somewhere and we're still paying him big wages so it would be great if he could recapture some of his form. If he's a bad apple in the squad then that's a different thing and we should be looking to move him on ASAP, if not one more chance maybe. As has been said, and forgotten by most, he was our most productive winger by far relatively recently, that's a fact despite what people choose to remember about him. Also worth remembering he's blown hot and cold all his career; similar to Butterfield in a way and Scannell. Again, he was before that injury, he's not been the same since, this is the worrying thing. A bad tackle and some players just seem to lose confidence/speed and just turn soft as shit. Look at Ben Thornley, went from speedy, flairey hot head, to soft as hell and completely useless. It does coincide but I don't remember it being that bad an injury, he just never seemed to get back up to speed form and fitness wise after it. Such an unnecessary injury also, Stephens has a lot to answer for. Ironic its now Powell trying to get him back up to speed.
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Post by mykindatown on Jul 29, 2015 14:06:27 GMT 1
Ritchie, why are you bothering? He did nothing on loan, he didn't do much when here. Maybe ok for a bench place. Personally with Harry Scanz Joe Jordy n Jake then I think we may have to suffer a few injuries in that dept before he even gets a seat on the bench - the past is the past but right now I believe he is way down on the pecking order
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 15:15:25 GMT 1
Again, he was before that injury, he's not been the same since, this is the worrying thing. A bad tackle and some players just seem to lose confidence/speed and just turn soft as shit. Look at Ben Thornley, went from speedy, flairey hot head, to soft as hell and completely useless. It does coincide but I don't remember it being that bad an injury, he just never seemed to get back up to speed form and fitness wise after it. Such an unnecessary injury also, Stephens has a lot to answer for. Ironic its now Powell trying to get him back up to speed. Can't remember how long he was out for but it was a terrible challenge. I hope Powell does get him going, I really do. As I say I was a big fan of his a couple of years back.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 29, 2015 15:32:47 GMT 1
Think the lad just needs a cuddle tbh!
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 29, 2015 17:10:00 GMT 1
Think I need a cuddle after reading through that thread!!
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Post by Barbieterrier on Jul 29, 2015 21:36:41 GMT 1
Think the lad just needs a cuddle tbh! The lad had enough cuddles that was part of his problem. You're all a set of softies on here really aren't you talking cuddles? Bless
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 30, 2015 7:28:21 GMT 1
Thought he did ok when he came on, not chasing his tail as he is prone to do, I still don't rate him though. Let him go on loan.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 30, 2015 10:08:53 GMT 1
Thought he did ok when he came on, not chasing his tail as he is prone to do, I still don't rate him though. Let him go on loan. He caused them more problems in 15 minutes than Scanz did in 60 last night Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by EatonRifles on Jul 30, 2015 10:11:54 GMT 1
Thought he did ok when he came on, not chasing his tail as he is prone to do, I still don't rate him though. Let him go on loan. He caused them more problems in 15 minutes than Scanz did in 60 last night Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards I think that's more to do with the service Scanz didn't get, rather than a deficiency in Scannell's performance. My concern was when Lolley came on that the defensive cover and tracking back that Scannell offers left us exposed down the right.
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