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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 17:46:00 GMT 1
Should we have told Oscar to Foxtrot Oscar?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 17:50:53 GMT 1
Only 2 of their starting 11 are likely to to start their first game against Peterborough
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 25, 2015 17:51:30 GMT 1
Can Mark do a quickstep
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 17:54:46 GMT 1
We always looked dangerous going forward - Wells looked sharp, Lolley had some decent runs. Dempsey got involved when he came on, more so than Butterfield. Bunn and Scannell were quiet, aside from the latter's goal. Whitehead looked decent enough on the ball but didn't put his foot in too much off it. Defensively though we were poor. Hudson in particular. Cranie at right back was at fault for their first but didn't do alot else (right or wrong). Smith isn't a left back. Lynch would have been sent off. Encouraging going forward, not so at the back - probably as expected. this needs resolving asap. Can't see the captain being dropped though really
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Post by rantinray on Jul 25, 2015 17:54:45 GMT 1
Roll on August 8th, at least then the moaners will be able to complain about football matches that actually matter. I must remember this quote. It's only winning matches that actually matter.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 25, 2015 17:57:56 GMT 1
all football matches played between 2 recognised teams matter.. some much more than others granted but still there has to be some organisation and commitment in what you do in any proper game? 7 goals conceeded in 2 friendlies against lower league opposition is never good enough.. shrugging it off as friendlies might be ok, might even work... Said before I dont like friendlies much, this lot like em even less it appears.. the actual result win/lose/draw isnt a problem, the organisation or lack of it is, with a couple of weeks to go.. club as a whole have got to start aiming a little higher from the top down...doing just enough/accepting just enough, will at some point end in tears..squad go through the motions again today.. to re-iterate, I dont see friendlies or the result of friendlies as too important, our friendlies last year clearly pointed out serious faults in our defending, followed by a season that just proved the point. off we go again...Different year, different manager, different team, I would have preferred a better result but it was a preseason friendly and thus I am not concerned about the goals against. Particularly when I believe our favoured formation will not look anything like todays. Davidson is half way around the world and IMO will fill in the Robinson/James left wing back role. When he's in the team I will be stunned if we don't line up in the lopsided 5-3-2 formation that served us so well to finish last season.
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Post by blueray4 on Jul 25, 2015 18:02:52 GMT 1
It's better to concede goals now & learn what we need to do or hopefully bring another cb in. If we kept clean sheets Powell may think defence is sorted. I know which I'd prefer.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 25, 2015 18:06:20 GMT 1
Friendly or not, conceding seven goals in two games against lower league opposition doesn't bode well for the season particularly as we had the third worst defensive record last season. Most of us called for the need for a quality central defender as a minimum, so where is he?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 18:07:15 GMT 1
It's better to concede goals now & learn what we need to do or hopefully bring another cb in. If we kept clean sheets Powell may think defence is sorted. I know which I'd prefer. We conceded 75 goals last season, how many more will it take before we start to learn?
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2015 18:09:13 GMT 1
No doubting the initial signs are not good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 18:13:12 GMT 1
No doubting the initial signs are not good. putting it into perspective Salford City FC @salfordcityfc HT: Salford City 1-0 Benfica on the other hand Salford City FC @salfordcityfc GOAL! Salford City 1-1 Benfica
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2015 18:20:14 GMT 1
Didn't Ben Thornley end up there?
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Post by shawsie on Jul 25, 2015 18:24:20 GMT 1
We always looked dangerous going forward - Wells looked sharp, Lolley had some decent runs. Dempsey got involved when he came on, more so than Butterfield. Bunn and Scannell were quiet, aside from the latter's goal. Whitehead looked decent enough on the ball but didn't put his foot in too much off it. Defensively though we were poor. Hudson in particular. Cranie at right back was at fault for their first but didn't do alot else (right or wrong). Smith isn't a left back. Lynch would have been sent off. Encouraging going forward, not so at the back - probably as expected. this needs resolving asap. Can't see the captain being dropped though really Disagree floyds - just got back and thought Hudson defensively was the best of the four. Lynch and smith were woeful - I was sat in the directors box and the dale fans in there were quite scathing of town "down the left" - no natural left footed player and bunn and smith hardly combined at all and gave far too much room to their right side. On the positive side, Wallace has filled out and did ok, Dempsey looks promising and wells when given service remains a class player IMO. On the negative side, only a handful of their starters today are expected to start in a fortnight!!!! Unless we start games properly though we will struggle.....smithies hadn't a price with any of the goals two of which came from allowing easy crosses into the box...AGAIN!! Not time to panic by any means, but it did seem a case of same old story and if we defend like today at hull we will be 4 or 5 down at half time!
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 25, 2015 18:27:47 GMT 1
With our defensive frailties, perhaps next time around we can recruit an ex-England defender as Manager!.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 25, 2015 18:29:47 GMT 1
Mel Booth was ringing my mate at cricket in first half saying we were shocking in defence Not looking good.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 25, 2015 18:30:07 GMT 1
all football matches played between 2 recognised teams matter.. some much more than others granted but still there has to be some organisation and commitment in what you do in any proper game? 7 goals conceeded in 2 friendlies against lower league opposition is never good enough.. shrugging it off as friendlies might be ok, might even work... Said before I dont like friendlies much, this lot like em even less it appears.. the actual result win/lose/draw isnt a problem, the organisation or lack of it is, with a couple of weeks to go.. club as a whole have got to start aiming a little higher from the top down...doing just enough/accepting just enough, will at some point end in tears..squad go through the motions again today.. to re-iterate, I dont see friendlies or the result of friendlies as too important, our friendlies last year clearly pointed out serious faults in our defending, followed by a season that just proved the point. off we go again...Different year, different manager, different team, I would have preferred a better result but it was a preseason friendly and thus I am not concerned about the goals against. Particularly when I believe our favoured formation will not look anything like todays. Davidson is half way around the world and IMO will fill in the Robinson/James left wing back role. When he's in the team I will be stunned if we don't line up in the lopsided 5-3-2 formation that served us so well to finish last season. I agree about the lopsided starting formation. Proviso would be that Coady was a very important part of that with his ability to move it out of defence/midfield. Can't see Whitehead doing the same role and if he just sits in front of the defence then there will be a big hole back to front. Still - lets see.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 25, 2015 18:36:13 GMT 1
Worry for me is that the defence was short of the standard last season - we had the fourth worse GA column in the league. Conceding 75 goals from 45.5 games
It's a glaring weakness for all to see and it would appear it's not been addressed in the close season
I don't worry too much about pre season score lines - it's about performance, application and fitness
That said none of our defence should feel safe and conceding numerous goals to lower league sides (who are also in pre season mode remember) is so poor and can't be just ignored with a shrug of the shoulders.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2015 18:36:17 GMT 1
I take it Smithies played on then.
Any news on any injuries?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 25, 2015 18:37:47 GMT 1
No Miller and no JV either
Is it just Wells this season
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2015 18:41:12 GMT 1
No Miller and no JV either Is it just Wells this season Injured innit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 18:41:52 GMT 1
I take it Smithies played on then. Any news on any injuries? To be honest when Smithies went down I fully expected a neck brace and stretcher coming on such was the whiplash impact. Amazed he was ok.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2015 18:50:10 GMT 1
Good.
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Post by wigster on Jul 25, 2015 18:57:37 GMT 1
To be fair it just sounds like we were slow out of the traps. According to the Examiner guy one of their goals sounded offside and we should have had a penalty too. Second half performance sounded OK. Just need to get going from the off, starting Dempsey (who impressed again) would help in this. To be fair 3Pipe we weren't just slow out of the traps - the first half Rochdale were infinitely the better team and played some really nice, passing football. We were more the route one team up to Wells who was totally outnumbered/outjumped nearly every time. The second half we were slightly better - though I suspect that this was partly because Rochdale took their foot off the gas. Good points - Wells - fed off scraps and two clinical goals Whitehead - is experienced and it showed - a good leader but very one-paced. Dempsey - has the energy, hopefully will have the ability to back it up. Lolley - looked exciting when he got the ball but rarely got it, particularly in the first half. A luxury unfortunately to to play him, Bunn and Scannell in the same team Bad points - some players look overweight - Bunn and Scannell in particular - Crainey had a poorish game but looked the fittest of the bunch Lynch - in one of his stupid moods today- could have been booked twice and would undoubtedly have been sent off for the vicious diving lunge in the second half - looked unhappy all match - immediately substituted (at ref's orders?) generally poor today and outjumped for the first goal. Bunn - as has been said previously - almost just a one-trick pony - head down, kick the ball forward and scurry after it, only dived twice today to my recollection but his passing/crossing is woeful - the wrong "weight" nearly every time. Wells showed him how to cross for Scannell's goal .May only be young but nowhere near Championship standard. However somebody at Town rates him. Our defence - absolutely clueless the whole of the first half - better second half but Rochdale had already got their four goals. Our injuries - the season hasn't started and already we're playing Wells upfront by himself - when Jordy came on he looked to have pace but, like Wells in the first half, got no service at all All in all - much the same as last season. To concede 7 goals in these last two matches is inexcusable, friendlies or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 19:00:09 GMT 1
Pre season friendly results are irrelevant, unless you win, in which case they are an accurate barometer of "how far the lads have come along".
That's the rule.
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Post by John Smith on Jul 25, 2015 19:12:12 GMT 1
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Post by htfc1908 on Jul 25, 2015 19:30:56 GMT 1
My twopenneth for what its worth; Rochdale by far the better team in the 1st half with really only Butterfield and Lolley showing anything like their true form, of the new lads Crainey looked nervy but Whitehead looked calm and composed. 2nd half and Town looked much better with Crainey looking much better and overlapping down the right, as has been said he looked fitter than the rest of the Town team, Dempsey looks as if he could become a crowd favourite with an all action style and Jordy looks to have a decent touch with plenty of pace. Even when Davidson returns I'd like to see a place in the team for Crainey replacing either Hudson or Lynch or possibly Smith? So although defence has to be a concern I was encouraged by the look of the new lads.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2015 19:35:26 GMT 1
Butterworth?
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Post by specialone on Jul 25, 2015 19:38:15 GMT 1
I'm a pro footballer being asked to perform in a pre-season friendly when it doesn't matter. Can I be bothered to put my neck on the line?
Chill, Town fans. League results are what counts. Anything else is irrelevant.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 25, 2015 19:54:04 GMT 1
I'm a pro footballer being asked to perform in a pre-season friendly when it doesn't matter. Can I be bothered to put my neck on the line? Chill, Town fans. League results are what counts. Anything else is irrelevant. You shouldn't be playing pro football then. A proper pro would recognize the importance of getting himself ready for the big kick off and not taking it for granted that he'll be automatically in the team. Maybe Rochdale's pro footballers have a better attitude than ours. Two quotes from Powell in his post match interview “I wanted the players to show me why they should be in the team and as a collective it didn’t happen in the first-half. Some of the goals we conceded were poor,” “It may be pre-season, but nobody should think that winning games doesn’t matter because it does to me. There may be no points at stake, but there soon will be and we must have that mentality.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 25, 2015 19:58:56 GMT 1
Wonder if Burnley's, MK's & Birmingham's forums are as ridiculous as ours today seen as they lost to lower league teams today aswell.. Get a grip people!
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