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Post by 5kippy on Jul 26, 2015 2:02:53 GMT 1
Who did and didn't impress? We always looked dangerous going forward - Wells looked sharp, Lolley had some decent runs. Dempsey got involved when he came on, more so than Butterfield. Bunn and Scannell were quiet, aside from the latter's goal. Whitehead looked decent enough on the ball but didn't put his foot in too much off it. Defensively though we were poor. Hudson in particular. Cranie at right back was at fault for their first but didn't do alot else (right or wrong). Smith isn't a left back. Lynch would have been sent off. Encouraging going forward, not so at the back - probably as expected. I've quoted Floyd just to compare how we each saw the game. There is no doubt Rochdale started the much better team. We looked slow, static and rusty. Rochdale looked quick, agile and bang up for it. We looked like we lined up 4-4-1-1, Lynch and Hudson at the back with Smith on the left and Craine on the right. Whitehead and Butts sat in the centre with scannell on right and Bunn on the left. Lolley sat just behind Wells. With Rochdale playing 3 at the back, I thought they played it really well. They squeezed us high up the pitch and dominated midfield. They played with such speed that town became static and just watched on as Rochdale went 2-0 very easily. First half was dreadful, there is no getting away from it. I personally felt that we lacked legs in midfield, the absence of coady and Hogg showed for me. Whitehead played well, he wasn't afraid to get stuck in and could certainly pick a pass, him and butts looked good together. I thought craine was poor as a RB, I see him more naturally as a CB or Defensive midfielder. He can certainly play, but looks too eager to get stuck in rather than hold his position. Scanz had a typical scannell game, ran up a few blind alleys but also had a few moments of magic. He took his goal well and tried to put some good balls in. Bunn looked off it first half, but most town players did. He looked to come on the inside more in the second half and he looked a real threat. Lolley had some moments of magic, the kid oozes brilliance when on it. Sometimes does the simple things wrong but he gets people stood up. He nearly scored a bit of a Zola when he beat 3 defenders and tried to chip the keeper but hit the post. I felt him and wells didn't look natural as a partnership playing in that formation, neither hold the ball up like Vaughan and/or Miller. That said, they were both quick and threatening especially second half where we dominated. Should have scored 3 other golden chances but only scored the one. Hula looks a live wire, he could be absolutely fucking brilliant, or absolutely shocking. His pace is frightening, I'm really excited by him. He's a guaranteed starter against notts county. Hammill should of had a penalty when he was deliberately tripped but didn't have much time to do much else. Hogg only got a few minutes at the end but good to see him get some game time. The lad who came on that impressed me the most though was Dempsey. This kid has something. I hope he's got the application because he's certainly got talent. His runs and movement were the sort that get crowds going. If he does everything right off the field, we could have a real entertainer here. He played a beautiful move with hula and wells which resulted in wells hitting the post. To sum up, we were a disgrace first half, second half a million times better. Worst person the park was the ref who should of been replaced by a steward or ball boy. He was woeful. I think you moaning bitches need to chill the fuck out and stop panicking to be honest. Ben, that's a very good report, for someone who usually stands with his back to the field and his arms in the air..
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Post by Floyds on Jul 26, 2015 7:34:39 GMT 1
Defensively the best after we conceded 4 in 45 minutes! An oxymoron. He's the captain and he needed to sort it out. He's slow and weak in the air, definitely not good enough for Championship football this season. As I'm sure we'll find out in due course... Not at all floyds.....you singled him out as poor, I simply stated that IMHO he was better than lynch who had a shocker and smith who was just as bad! On today's basis how were lynch and smith good enough for the championship....or are they like Hudson simply not good enough?! You're right we will find out in due course........but Hudson IMO has been scapegoated by some because he's come in with a pedigree none of the others have and not delivered that as yet for us.......it's not up to him as captain to sort out piss poor mistakes and be the only voice on the pitch surely?! After all, two of them came from our better performers on the day namely butterfield and lolley whose challenges on the lad before he scored the screamer bordered on pathetic. Fair enough, they were all poor, maybe Hudson was no worse than the others. Not a lot we can do about it at this stage though, except hope they all get up to speed in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 8:16:39 GMT 1
I've quoted Floyd just to compare how we each saw the game. There is no doubt Rochdale started the much better team. We looked slow, static and rusty. Rochdale looked quick, agile and bang up for it. We looked like we lined up 4-4-1-1, Lynch and Hudson at the back with Smith on the left and Craine on the right. Whitehead and Butts sat in the centre with scannell on right and Bunn on the left. Lolley sat just behind Wells. With Rochdale playing 3 at the back, I thought they played it really well. They squeezed us high up the pitch and dominated midfield. They played with such speed that town became static and just watched on as Rochdale went 2-0 very easily. First half was dreadful, there is no getting away from it. I personally felt that we lacked legs in midfield, the absence of coady and Hogg showed for me. Whitehead played well, he wasn't afraid to get stuck in and could certainly pick a pass, him and butts looked good together. I thought craine was poor as a RB, I see him more naturally as a CB or Defensive midfielder. He can certainly play, but looks too eager to get stuck in rather than hold his position. Scanz had a typical scannell game, ran up a few blind alleys but also had a few moments of magic. He took his goal well and tried to put some good balls in. Bunn looked off it first half, but most town players did. He looked to come on the inside more in the second half and he looked a real threat. Lolley had some moments of magic, the kid oozes brilliance when on it. Sometimes does the simple things wrong but he gets people stood up. He nearly scored a bit of a Zola when he beat 3 defenders and tried to chip the keeper but hit the post. I felt him and wells didn't look natural as a partnership playing in that formation, neither hold the ball up like Vaughan and/or Miller. That said, they were both quick and threatening especially second half where we dominated. Should have scored 3 other golden chances but only scored the one. Hula looks a live wire, he could be absolutely fucking brilliant, or absolutely shocking. His pace is frightening, I'm really excited by him. He's a guaranteed starter against notts county. Hammill should of had a penalty when he was deliberately tripped but didn't have much time to do much else. Hogg only got a few minutes at the end but good to see him get some game time. The lad who came on that impressed me the most though was Dempsey. This kid has something. I hope he's got the application because he's certainly got talent. His runs and movement were the sort that get crowds going. If he does everything right off the field, we could have a real entertainer here. He played a beautiful move with hula and wells which resulted in wells hitting the post. To sum up, we were a disgrace first half, second half a million times better. Worst person the park was the ref who should of been replaced by a steward or ball boy. He was woeful. I think you moaning bitches need to chill the fuck out and stop panicking to be honest. Ben, that's a very good report, for someone who usually stands with his back to the field and his arms in the air.. I don't know what you mean, I never do that!!
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 26, 2015 8:50:38 GMT 1
Town has 2 games (TWO) before the big kick-off.As other posters have said we are still leaking goals for fun and to lower level opposition at that. Unless there is a dramatic turn around in the last two friendlies (where will it come from?) the Tigers will eat the Terriers for dinner and spit out the bits; it will be ugly. Last season's 0-4 start could look good in comparison. I just hope that Powell and his back room staff can whip them into some sort of shape by 8th August. It looks to be a daunting task. Town have ... We've been over this before David
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 26, 2015 8:54:29 GMT 1
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 26, 2015 10:30:01 GMT 1
What's happened to Davidson ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 10:31:45 GMT 1
What's happened to Davidson ? At the birth of his child in Oz
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 26, 2015 10:34:34 GMT 1
Cheers Ben, Bless. So we have him to come in that's good.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 26, 2015 10:39:22 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Jul 26, 2015 11:07:18 GMT 1
What's happened to Davidson ? At the birth of his child in Oz Not great preparation to be playing all these friendlies without our new left back, wonder if she'll be moving over here now the babies been born. Hope he's not gonna be chucked in versus hull for his first game. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:22:42 GMT 1
At the birth of his child in Oz Not great preparation to be playing all these friendlies without our new left back, wonder if she'll be moving over here now the babies been born. Hope he's not gonna be chucked in versus hull for his first game. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards His first game will be against Deportivo I reckon.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 26, 2015 11:29:29 GMT 1
It will be nice when all of our defence decide to come back from their jollies
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:29:51 GMT 1
If Nathan Clarke struggled being away from his family when they were just 3 hours away up the motorway, don't hold out much hope for Davidson when they're on the other side of the world. Assume they'll be moving over here at some point
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:43:09 GMT 1
And don't forget we are a small club in a very good division...we are small fry.....the best but small fish in a very big pond.....we are never going to get promoted.....we are never off to san siro.....so get ya heads round it......this club is been run as a business...and its been run by a very good business man.....UTT...... I Totally agree with you we are well run and we are in a very big division without the recoures of many we could make a challenge at the top end but staying up will be a acheivment in its self but we are capable of doing it but my real concern is the centre of defence but the team as a whole needs to be much better when we are not in poccesion of the ball. I dont read much in to pre season results and that wont alter however we perform in the next two.lets see how rthe season develops before passing judgment and holding on to butterfield will be difficult
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Post by joshuajones on Jul 26, 2015 12:36:57 GMT 1
Game time yesterday.
I was firstly disappointed with positions some players played but mainly Smith at left back. It quite frankly is 100% not the right thing to do. Play Jack Senior or Lynch or Wallace but do not play a right footed player at left back. There is nothing from an attacking sense and defensively he is all over the place. Hopefully Davidson will be back for Wednesday night but please CP never put smith in this position again.
Hudson and lynch looked like they had never played on the same pitch before but for me personally lynch looked worse than Hudson. Lynch has the ability to look a class act but also can look as bad as league 1 or 2 standard. He played the same yesterday as he did against grimsby. For a stocky lad he gets out muscled so easily. Whether that's his balance or strength or both its a real poor part of his game. It ended with his reckless sliding challenge which would have seen him red carded in an official match. So his decision making isn't great either. All said, Hudson wasn't much better on the day.
Cranie at right back, was slow into the game like the whole team. His error on the ball led to the free kick he conceded from which the first Rochdale goal was scored with Lynch (I think) getting beat in the air. Cranie got better as the game went on but def can only see him as an understoody to Smith or Hudson.
Scannell wasn't great again on the right wing same as against Grimsby. Although he did get a goal and won a few corners. It is a worry he appears to not have his positioned challenged by Lolley or Hammill as CP wants to stick by him.
Butterfields corners from that side are dire and I already miss James corners from the end of last season. Butterfield playing alongside whitehead didn't work for me and I think CP is looking to play 2 holding midfielders next season to protect the defence. Ideally I guess he sees this as whitehead and hogg with dempsey filling in for hogg for the half a season he is out. I def don't think it works as well having Butterfield in there as it's not his game. Butterfield does look a class act going forward and always and did play well yesterday bar the corners and defensive protection.
Whitehead didn't look as convincing as he did against grimsby. I'm not sure if thats cos he was playing alongside Butterfield rather than dempsey or because he was playing better opposition.
Bunn looked poor and tired playing left wing. I'm worried he isn't gonna progress because he still only has the cut inside move which players will have worked out by now and he doesn't have the same pace/skill as a Lolley who also just likes to cut in. I would hope Bunn spends the next two weeks practising making a yard and getting crosses into the box with his left foot.
I like Lolley playing centrally but not behind wells. The lad is fast,skillful and just beats ppl for fun even though he is totally one footed. I don't think he can play behind wells because defensively he isn't good enough and winning headers from goal kicks etc isn't his game either. I would like to see him play in Wells position though. Although wells played well and is def number one striker at this club. I was really pleased wells took the free kick rather than Butterfield cos I do remember him scoring a few for sadford shitty.
Dempsey and Hiwula both looked decent again and will def provide competition for places in the squad this season. Hammill doesn't look as good at left wing but does look to have got his head down and is trying to fight for a place in the team. Wallace did look like he had filled out a bit but I still struggle watching him run.
I am looking forward to the season and don't worry about pre season results although CP comments post match saying he had to give them a bollocking which isn't ideal in pre season makes you wonder a bit.
I would like to know if our team does any training session where the back seven. Smithies, smith, Hudson, lynch, Davidson, hogg and whitehead do any sessions together where they play against 10 or 12 attackers trying to break them down etc.
Also why can't we practice any corner set pieces? It's just whip it in and hope we get an head on it. I would love to see some different set piece routines.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 26, 2015 12:40:49 GMT 1
Not great preparation to be playing all these friendlies without our new left back, wonder if she'll be moving over here now the babies been born. Hope he's not gonna be chucked in versus hull for his first game. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards His first game will be against Deportivo I reckon. Second?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 26, 2015 12:48:44 GMT 1
Game time yesterday. I was firstly disappointed with positions some players played but mainly Smith at left back. It quite frankly is 100% not the right thing to do. Play Jack Senior or Lynch or Wallace but do not play a right footed player at left back. There is nothing from an attacking sense and defensively he is all over the place. Hopefully Davidson will be back for Wednesday night but please CP never put smith in this position again. Hudson and lynch looked like they had never played on the same pitch before but for me personally lynch looked worse than Hudson. Lynch has the ability to look a class act but also can look as bad as league 1 or 2 standard. He played the same yesterday as he did against grimsby. For a stocky lad he gets out muscled so easily. Whether that's his balance or strength or both its a real poor part of his game. It ended with his reckless sliding challenge which would have seen him red carded in an official match. So his decision making isn't great either. All said, Hudson wasn't much better on the day. Cranie at right back, was slow into the game like the whole team. His error on the ball led to the free kick he conceded from which the first Rochdale goal was scored with Lynch (I think) getting beat in the air. Cranie got better as the game went on but def can only see him as an understoody to Smith or Hudson. Scannell wasn't great again on the right wing same as against Grimsby. Although he did get a goal and won a few corners. It is a worry he appears to not have his positioned challenged by Lolley or Hammill as CP wants to stick by him. Butterfields corners from that side are dire and I already miss James corners from the end of last season. Butterfield playing alongside whitehead didn't work for me and I think CP is looking to play 2 holding midfielders next season to protect the defence. Ideally I guess he sees this as whitehead and hogg with dempsey filling in for hogg for the half a season he is out. I def don't think it works as well having Butterfield in there as it's not his game. Butterfield does look a class act going forward and always and did play well yesterday bar the corners and defensive protection. Whitehead didn't look as convincing as he did against grimsby. I'm not sure if thats cos he was playing alongside Butterfield rather than dempsey or because he was playing better opposition. Bunn looked poor and tired playing left wing. I'm worried he isn't gonna progress because he still only has the cut inside move which players will have worked out by now and he doesn't have the same pace/skill as a Lolley who also just likes to cut in. I would hope Bunn spends the next two weeks practising making a yard and getting crosses into the box with his left foot. I like Lolley playing centrally but not behind wells. The lad is fast,skillful and just beats ppl for fun even though he is totally one footed. I don't think he can play behind wells because defensively he isn't good enough and winning headers from goal kicks etc isn't his game either. I would like to see him play in Wells position though. Although wells played well and is def number one striker at this club. I was really pleased wells took the free kick rather than Butterfield cos I do remember him scoring a few for sadford shitty. Dempsey and Hiwula both looked decent again and will def provide competition for places in the squad this season. Hammill doesn't look as good at left wing but does look to have got his head down and is trying to fight for a place in the team. Wallace did look like he had filled out a bit but I still struggle watching him run. I am looking forward to the season and don't worry about pre season results although CP comments post match saying he had to give them a bollocking which isn't ideal in pre season makes you wonder a bit. I would like to know if our team does any training session where the back seven. Smithies, smith, Hudson, lynch, Davidson, hogg and whitehead do any sessions together where they play against 10 or 12 attackers trying to break them down etc. Also why can't we practice any corner set pieces? It's just whip it in and hope we get an head on it. I would love to see some different set piece routines. UTT Good report - thanks. ...most matches I saw last season we didn't really need two holding midfielders - paying the opposition too much respect. We looked much better as a unit with Butterfield and Hogg/Gobern playing in advance of Coady. I guess he is thinking how to solve the defensive problems and operate a similar system to Chelsea, but they have to think about not getting too deep or that just makes the defensive pressure more. We need those midfielders to challenge the ball and space - not sit back and wait.
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Post by wtd on Jul 26, 2015 13:44:32 GMT 1
Scannell wasn't great again on the right wing same as against Grimsby. Although he did get a goal and won a few corners. It is a worry he appears to not have his positioned challenged by Lolley or Hammill as CP wants to stick by him. You don't want to stick by the player's player of the season after only three friendlies?
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 26, 2015 13:52:58 GMT 1
Powell's trademark is becoming 'it was a game of two halves'.
Unless we lobby the football league and try and get matches reduced to 45 minutes in total (and hope we hit the good 45 minutes) then 90 minutes and two halves are here to stay.
This means oddly enough we need to be at the races and perform for both halves to get something out of a match not just one.
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Post by wtd on Jul 26, 2015 14:06:54 GMT 1
Powell's trademark is becoming 'it was a game of two halves'. Unless we lobby the football league and try and get matches reduced to 45 minutes in total (and hope we hit the good 45 minutes) then 90 minutes and two halves are here to stay.This means oddly enough we need to be at the races and perform for both halves to get something out of a match not just one. What a very short memory you have!
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Post by joshuajones on Jul 26, 2015 14:11:48 GMT 1
Scannell wasn't great again on the right wing same as against Grimsby. Although he did get a goal and won a few corners. It is a worry he appears to not have his positioned challenged by Lolley or Hammill as CP wants to stick by him. You don't want to stick by the player's player of the season after only three friendlies? It's not that I don't wanna stick by him. I thought he was class for the majority of last season. What I want CP to do is drop players if form isn't at peak. Bunns form dipped towards xmas but he wasn't dropped. I think Scannells dipped in the new year for a period of games. I don't want any player to feel like they wont be dropped. I would say scannell, butters, Smithies and Hudson do feel like they won't be dropped no matter what.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 14:22:26 GMT 1
You don't want to stick by the player's player of the season after only three friendlies? I would say scannell, butters, Smithies and Hudson do feel like they won't be dropped no matter what. Why, have you spoken to them recently?
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Post by wtd on Jul 26, 2015 14:24:54 GMT 1
You don't want to stick by the player's player of the season after only three friendlies? It's not that I don't wanna stick by him. I thought he was class for the majority of last season. What I want CP to do is drop players if form isn't at peak. Bunns form dipped towards xmas but he wasn't dropped. I think Scannells dipped in the new year for a period of games. I don't want any player to feel like they wont be dropped. I would say scannell, butters, Smithies and Hudson do feel like they won't be dropped no matter what. Hmmm... I'd give one of our outstanding performers of last season just a few games of this campaign before ousting him. I saw him at Guisely and they were doubling up on him allowing space for our other midfielders to operate. In that particular 45 minutes he was our stand-out performer IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 14:36:57 GMT 1
His first game will be against Deportivo I reckon. Second? First game back I meant.
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Post by joshuajones on Jul 26, 2015 14:38:53 GMT 1
It's not that I don't wanna stick by him. I thought he was class for the majority of last season. What I want CP to do is drop players if form isn't at peak. Bunns form dipped towards xmas but he wasn't dropped. I think Scannells dipped in the new year for a period of games. I don't want any player to feel like they wont be dropped. I would say scannell, butters, Smithies and Hudson do feel like they won't be dropped no matter what. Hmmm... I'd give one of our outstanding performers of last season just a few games of this campaign before ousting him. I saw him at Guisely and they were doubling up on him allowing space for our other midfielders to operate. In that particular 45 minutes he was our stand-out performer IMO. Yea I def don't recall saying I would oust him. Just that he shouldn't have a guaranteed spot in the team regardless of performance. Which should be the same for every player. I think the best managers recognise when players form starts to dip or picks up and gets them in the team. And that's not me saying I dislike CP,think he is no good, or that I want him sacked either.
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Post by wtd on Jul 26, 2015 15:11:02 GMT 1
Hmmm... I'd give one of our outstanding performers of last season just a few games of this campaign before ousting him. I saw him at Guisely and they were doubling up on him allowing space for our other midfielders to operate. In that particular 45 minutes he was our stand-out performer IMO. Yea I def don't recall saying I would oust him. Just that he shouldn't have a guaranteed spot in the team regardless of performance. Which should be the same for every player. I think the best managers recognise when players form starts to dip or picks up and gets them in the team. And that's not me saying I dislike CP,think he is no good, or that I want him sacked either. You definitely said that CP wanted to 'stick by him' (Scannell) and that appeared to worry you. I merely questioned the justification of your concern. Whilst I agree with you, no player should ever be allowed to rest on their laurels, I think sticking by Scannell for the foreseeable future, after the season he just had, is highly commendable on Powell's part. I certainly don't think replacing Scannell will be at the top of his 'worry list'... especially before a ball has been kicked in anger. He's got some far bigger headaches than that.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 26, 2015 15:17:03 GMT 1
Yea I def don't recall saying I would oust him. Just that he shouldn't have a guaranteed spot in the team regardless of performance. Which should be the same for every player. I think the best managers recognise when players form starts to dip or picks up and gets them in the team. And that's not me saying I dislike CP,think he is no good, or that I want him sacked either. You definitely said that CP wanted to 'stick by him' (Scannell) and that appeared to worry you. I merely questioned the justification of your concern. Whilst I agree with you, no player should ever be allowed to rest on their laurels, I think sticking by Scannell for the foreseeable future, after the season he just had, is highly commendable on Powell's part. I certainly don't think replacing Scannell will be at the top of his 'worry list'... especially before a ball has been kicked in anger. He's got some far bigger headaches than that. I think Scannell needs to continue his improvement of last season.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 26, 2015 15:19:48 GMT 1
Powell's trademark is becoming 'it was a game of two halves'. Unless we lobby the football league and try and get matches reduced to 45 minutes in total (and hope we hit the good 45 minutes) then 90 minutes and two halves are here to stay.This means oddly enough we need to be at the races and perform for both halves to get something out of a match not just one. What a very short memory you have! Remember Jacko and Warnock both had similar phases of being more dominant in one half than the other. Bound to happen with a developing team and new manager trying to find their "way".
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Post by wtd on Jul 26, 2015 15:27:22 GMT 1
What a very short memory you have! Remember Jacko and Warnock both had similar phases of being more dominant in one half than the other. Bound to happen with a developing team and new manager trying to find their "way". I think you missed my point.
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