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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 27, 2015 0:41:49 GMT 1
If strikers are easier to find they wouldn't generally cost far more than defenders.
At the same time, I agree we do seem to struggle though!
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 27, 2015 2:43:43 GMT 1
Any way back to my original post. If we blame Powel, we must also blame Robins & grayson. So I wont, I don't think they are at fault. I thank Hoyle for getting us back in this division, are we at our limit, we haven't been able to get a decent defence in this division, I agree with solidsnake, goal scorers are easy to get compared to good defenders, maybe good defenders will start to get their rewards soon, & strikers realise they aren't the tops . Thank You dean, I don't want us in the basement divisions again, & hope you can keep our dreams alive, we are only 1 season from the top flight again. let's do a Burnley but stay up. Oh dear, I think it might be time to unleash Brian...
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Post by Solid Snake on Jul 27, 2015 3:08:49 GMT 1
If we choose to sign or not to sign a CB on a big deal, it may just be the epitome of our whole season. Still though, I'm not writing Crainie off right from the start, Hudson's had a season to settle in and hopefully is geared up for a good season. Lynch is Lynch but ideally, I would really like us to invest a fair bit of poke in a CB.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 27, 2015 7:21:37 GMT 1
1 CB will do me TBH.
OK, we could do with cover/competition for Davidson but there's no reason that couldn't come from the loan market if needs be. As for the need for 2 CBs, what for? One really good dominant one with Hudson, Cranie, Lynch & Wallace competing for the other spot (or add Smith & have any 2 of them for a back 3) plus a bit of organisation and we'd be fine.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 28, 2015 17:18:36 GMT 1
If we have a similar defensive record this season, the coaching staff can be considered negligent in their duties.
We have had a chance to look at this and had Hoyles backing (again)to make additions.
If it ultimately costs us. We would have to accept we had it coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 18:40:01 GMT 1
I really can't understand all this arguing over Town not addressing the defensive frailties question. Yes, I know that we have struggled defensively for the last three seasons, but you CANNOT say that the club/manager(s)/chairman have not had a good go at it. Did we not bring in a new centre-back last season? Agreed, Hudson hasn't been as effective as we had hoped, but before a ball was kicked last season this was hailed by the club and the fans - yes, you lot! - as a great capture by Town of a player highly valued by Cardiff fans, and Powell saw enough in him to install him as Captain. We also brought in not one, but TWO left-backs. Agreed, Robinson's injury helped nobody, but we did move quickly to plug the gap in signing James on-loan. Both had strengths and weaknesses, but both were brought in to do a job which, in the main, they did. So this season we have a new left-back - admittedly one that no-one has seen yet (worryingly!) - but he has a good pedigree, so let's give him a chance, shall we? You don't play left-back for your country in a World Cup Finals campaign if you're crap, do you? And Cranie has been installed as cover; again let's give the chap a fair crack of the whip. He has experience and, again, comes highly recommended. So far we're judging these players - and the others - on practice games, matches which are only intended for managers to tinker and test strategies, line-ups and tactics. Let's see what they can do in competitive games. I have a feeling that we'll be somewhat stronger than many on here seem to think. But please don't tell me that the club has failed to address the issues; they HAVE addressed them, but individual performances are still costing us dear. The club can't be held responsible every time an individual drops a ricket; players have to take individual and collective responsibility. This group of players IS good enough; they just need to prove it! Rant over.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 28, 2015 18:50:23 GMT 1
Never seen so much guff as has been written on this subject Mansfield ..
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 28, 2015 18:59:17 GMT 1
Never seen so much guff as has been written on this subject Mansfield .. "What the fans need is some excitement, get bums back on seats. Let's sign a centre half".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 19:02:03 GMT 1
The £2m for coady will probably be a structured payment ( most transfer fees are) and of course Liverpool will have no doubt taken a share. What we got up front might be enough to cover the ongoing losses in the 12 weeks since last season ended. We got some dead wood off the wage bill this calendar year so savings there, but weve signed 4 so that will use most of it, if not it all, plus of course the signing on fees and agents fees that get overlooked when people just think about the transfer fee. So all in all, I think freedomofspeach's £2m will be gladly received. Maybe we should do our buying using structured payments too, it sounds a more sensible, less financially damaging approach?
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Post by mykindatown on Jul 28, 2015 19:07:04 GMT 1
They aint going to buy a new centre half and the quicker people realize the better for everyone concerned
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Post by shawsie on Jul 28, 2015 19:47:00 GMT 1
I really can't understand all this arguing over Town not addressing the defensive frailties question. Yes, I know that we have struggled defensively for the last three seasons, but you CANNOT say that the club/manager(s)/chairman have not had a good go at it. Did we not bring in a new centre-back last season? Agreed, Hudson hasn't been as effective as we had hoped, but before a ball was kicked last season this was hailed by the club and the fans - yes, you lot! - as a great capture by Town of a player highly valued by Cardiff fans, and Powell saw enough in him to install him as Captain. We also brought in not one, but TWO left-backs. Agreed, Robinson's injury helped nobody, but we did move quickly to plug the gap in signing James on-loan. Both had strengths and weaknesses, but both were brought in to do a job which, in the main, they did. So this season we have a new left-back - admittedly one that no-one has seen yet (worryingly!) - but he has a good pedigree, so let's give him a chance, shall we? You don't play left-back for your country in a World Cup Finals campaign if you're crap, do you? And Cranie has been installed as cover; again let's give the chap a fair crack of the whip. He has experience and, again, comes highly recommended. So far we're judging these players - and the others - on practice games, matches which are only intended for managers to tinker and test strategies, line-ups and tactics. Let's see what they can do in competitive games. I have a feeling that we'll be somewhat stronger than many on here seem to think. But please don't tell me that the club has failed to address the issues; they HAVE addressed them, but individual performances are still costing us dear. The club can't be held responsible every time an individual drops a ricket; players have to take individual and collective responsibility. This group of players IS good enough; they just need to prove it! Rant over. Spot on.........watch the Rochdale goals again! Individual mistakes x4......from slack marking to half arsed tackling.
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Post by Giggity on Jul 28, 2015 20:32:43 GMT 1
I really can't understand all this arguing over Town not addressing the defensive frailties question. Yes, I know that we have struggled defensively for the last three seasons, but you CANNOT say that the club/manager(s)/chairman have not had a good go at it. Did we not bring in a new centre-back last season? Agreed, Hudson hasn't been as effective as we had hoped, but before a ball was kicked last season this was hailed by the club and the fans - yes, you lot! - as a great capture by Town of a player highly valued by Cardiff fans, and Powell saw enough in him to install him as Captain. We also brought in not one, but TWO left-backs. Agreed, Robinson's injury helped nobody, but we did move quickly to plug the gap in signing James on-loan. Both had strengths and weaknesses, but both were brought in to do a job which, in the main, they did. So this season we have a new left-back - admittedly one that no-one has seen yet (worryingly!) - but he has a good pedigree, so let's give him a chance, shall we? You don't play left-back for your country in a World Cup Finals campaign if you're crap, do you? And Cranie has been installed as cover; again let's give the chap a fair crack of the whip. He has experience and, again, comes highly recommended. So far we're judging these players - and the others - on practice games, matches which are only intended for managers to tinker and test strategies, line-ups and tactics. Let's see what they can do in competitive games. I have a feeling that we'll be somewhat stronger than many on here seem to think. But please don't tell me that the club has failed to address the issues; they HAVE addressed them, but individual performances are still costing us dear. The club can't be held responsible every time an individual drops a ricket; players have to take individual and collective responsibility. This group of players IS good enough; they just need to prove it! Rant over. Spot on.........watch the Rochdale goals again! Individual mistakes x4......from slack marking to half arsed tackling. You're talking as though the Rochdale game was a one off.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 28, 2015 20:38:18 GMT 1
Seems to me there is ONE team in European football who pretty much guaranteed won't be shipping goals.. and that's Chelsea .. if only it was so easy not to concede goals .. especially on lower second division wages
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Post by shawsie on Jul 28, 2015 20:40:34 GMT 1
Spot on.........watch the Rochdale goals again! Individual mistakes x4......from slack marking to half arsed tackling. You're talking as though the Rochdale game was a one off. Not at all....but sometimes you improve what you have not make a raft of new signings with no guarantees. Sometimes you have to blood a young lad also........our defensive problems lie with the whole team IMO and a Sean Morrison or a n other who some folks really rate on here won't make much difference if we continue to make fundamental errors from back to front.
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Post by ringdisco on Jul 28, 2015 21:19:47 GMT 1
I really can't understand all this arguing over Town not addressing the defensive frailties question. Yes, I know that we have struggled defensively for the last three seasons, but you CANNOT say that the club/manager(s)/chairman have not had a good go at it. Did we not bring in a new centre-back last season? Agreed, Hudson hasn't been as effective as we had hoped, but before a ball was kicked last season this was hailed by the club and the fans - yes, you lot! - as a great capture by Town of a player highly valued by Cardiff fans, and Powell saw enough in him to install him as Captain. We also brought in not one, but TWO left-backs. Agreed, Robinson's injury helped nobody, but we did move quickly to plug the gap in signing James on-loan. Both had strengths and weaknesses, but both were brought in to do a job which, in the main, they did. So this season we have a new left-back - admittedly one that no-one has seen yet (worryingly!) - but he has a good pedigree, so let's give him a chance, shall we? You don't play left-back for your country in a World Cup Finals campaign if you're crap, do you? And Cranie has been installed as cover; again let's give the chap a fair crack of the whip. He has experience and, again, comes highly recommended. So far we're judging these players - and the others - on practice games, matches which are only intended for managers to tinker and test strategies, line-ups and tactics. Let's see what they can do in competitive games. I have a feeling that we'll be somewhat stronger than many on here seem to think. But please don't tell me that the club has failed to address the issues; they HAVE addressed them, but individual performances are still costing us dear. The club can't be held responsible every time an individual drops a ricket; players have to take individual and collective responsibility. This group of players IS good enough; they just need to prove it! Rant over. In my book Hudson was way too old when he was signed. And he's aged 5 or 6 years since then.
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