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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 26, 2015 9:53:11 GMT 1
There have been a few discussions in various threads with regards to Town's financial situation and whether Dean Hoyle should invest more money and purchase a new defender.
If we have not got any money available due to the need to reduce losses then maybe we should look to sell and reinvest in the defence ?
Would we be a better team if we sold Wells and improved the defence with a chunk of the transfer fee ? We have potentially more cover across the forward line with a fair number of attacking options and younger players, with possibly more options in the loan market should the injuries to Miller and Vaughan not clear up quickly.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 26, 2015 10:00:35 GMT 1
An interesting point and I find it interesting also though that all the debate on here is around the quality (or lack of depending on viewpoint) and capability of our Players and defending in particular.
Yet nobody though is questioning the capability and part the Manager is playing here though?.
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Post by slackjaw on Jul 26, 2015 10:18:52 GMT 1
We already have,Coady out and brought 5 in,2 being defenders.If we still need more then look at the academy if there's nothing there after all the money that's been pumped into it then questions need to be asked.
Young Dempsey has played 50ish games at 19 why aren't young players doing that on loan at L1 L2 level?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 10:31:05 GMT 1
If we sell Wells who's gonna score, better to sell Scannel, we have more wingers with better goals ratio & assist ratio.
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 26, 2015 10:31:52 GMT 1
Yes we have players with deficiencies but I agree also some of the blame needs t be layed at CPs door.
When you see the lesser teams play higher opposition they always look well drilled and have a plan t stop the opposition we just don't look to have any plans or any idea.
The defence needs t be a unit to be effective even if some of the parts arnt quite as good as others without a unity and understanding of a plan then we will always ship goals.
This is the manager and coaches business
pulis is the best example can go into teams with really bad defensive records and with same players can drill them into a unit so it's not always about going spending more money
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 26, 2015 10:42:45 GMT 1
If we sell Wells who's gonna score, better to sell Scannel, we have more wingers with better goals ratio & assist ratio. Freedom, yes ok scannell.. Any forward player who could raise enough funds to allow us money to reinvest. I feel we are a bit overloaded at one end and short at the other and we are still losing money so if Dean isn't happy to put more in then I would rather we sold someone to fix the defence. I don't have any issue if Dean Hoyle wants to use the Coady money to reduce the debt, that is actually the idea of buying and selling on. The profit is needed to balance the books. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 26, 2015 10:43:46 GMT 1
Let's sell all our Players, start again with new ones, have the same problems and then sit round scratching our heads and thinking, "what's the problem here?, what do we need to do to fix this?".
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 26, 2015 10:44:13 GMT 1
We already have,Coady out and brought 5 in,2 being defenders.If we still need more then look at the academy if there's nothing there after all the money that's been pumped into it then questions need to be asked. Young Dempsey has played 50ish games at 19 why aren't young players doing that on loan at L1 L2 level? If the academy doesn't start producing soon then I am sure questions will start to be asked. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 10:46:41 GMT 1
The one constant in our piss poor goals conceded figures over the last few years has been Smithies. Perhaps that is also an area we should be looking at but the response is usually that he had no chance with any of the goals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 10:49:59 GMT 1
We already have,Coady out and brought 5 in,2 being defenders.If we still need more then look at the academy if there's nothing there after all the money that's been pumped into it then questions need to be asked. Young Dempsey has played 50ish games at 19 why aren't young players doing that on loan at L1 L2 level? Young Dempsey is exceptional, make the most of him because I doubt he'll still be here in a couple of years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 10:55:44 GMT 1
We already have,Coady out and brought 5 in,2 being defenders.If we still need more then look at the academy if there's nothing there after all the money that's been pumped into it then questions need to be asked. Young Dempsey has played 50ish games at 19 why aren't young players doing that on loan at L1 L2 level? Young Dempsey is exceptional, make the most of him because I doubt he'll still be here in a couple of years. Bit of a strong statement after seeing him a couple of times. Hope you're right |
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Post by slackjaw on Jul 26, 2015 11:04:18 GMT 1
We already have,Coady out and brought 5 in,2 being defenders.If we still need more then look at the academy if there's nothing there after all the money that's been pumped into it then questions need to be asked. Young Dempsey has played 50ish games at 19 why aren't young players doing that on loan at L1 L2 level? Young Dempsey is exceptional, make the most of him because I doubt he'll still be here in a couple of years. Good to know,I've never seen the lad play so looking forward to that.You think he'll handle the step up then? It's a fair jump from L2 to championship. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:06:46 GMT 1
Young Dempsey is exceptional, make the most of him because I doubt he'll still be here in a couple of years. Bit of a strong statement after seeing him a couple of times. Hope you're right I've only seen him the once. Showed good control, passing ability and is bursting with energy, I'm pretty certain he'll have you out of your seat this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:15:02 GMT 1
Young Dempsey is exceptional, make the most of him because I doubt he'll still be here in a couple of years. Good to know,I've never seen the lad play so looking forward to that.You think he'll handle the step up then? It's a fair jump from L2 to championship. Early days, but I'm more excited with this lad than any other prospect we have. To play the number of games he has at league 1 and 2 level marks him out as exceptional. |
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Post by slackjaw on Jul 26, 2015 11:35:55 GMT 1
Good to know,I've never seen the lad play so looking forward to that.You think he'll handle the step up then? It's a fair jump from L2 to championship. Early days, but I'm more excited with this lad than any other prospect we have. To play the number of games he has at league 1 and 2 level marks him out as exceptional. Surprised we haven't already flogged him then!! (only joking) |
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Post by Melc on Jul 26, 2015 11:37:00 GMT 1
I thought we had already sold a player for £2m that was not planned for in the budget?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:40:29 GMT 1
I thought we had already sold a player for £2m that was not planned for in the budget? Makes you wonder what our summer dealings would have been had that not happened |
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Post by alex on Jul 26, 2015 13:05:01 GMT 1
The one constant in our piss poor goals conceded figures over the last few years has been Smithies. Perhaps that is also an area we should be looking at but the response is usually that he had no chance with any of the goals. That's not fair OT, he had no chance with most of the goals, he's a young keeper don't you know  |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 26, 2015 16:39:33 GMT 1
I certainly think there is an argument for wheeling and dealing one of our better players if it means we can do something to sort out the defence - hopefully the club are doing this What worries me is the status quo. The fact is we had one of the worse defences in the league last season and indications aren't encouraging so far. At his age Hudson is more likely to decline further than kick on while Lynch seems the laid back type who would benefit a little from fear of getting dropped. The lack of real competition is really unhealthy. Last season, we conceded 75 goals, from 45 completed games. (Only Millwall (76), Fulham (83) and Blackpool (91) conceded more). If we concede 70+ again this season I expect we'll be in a relegation battle Only two teams kept fewer clean sheets (note this gives us a clean sheet for a half game at Blackpool) - stats.checkyourodds.co.uk/Championship-Clean-Sheets.php - and if Rhodes had slotted his pen at Blackburn away only Blackpool would have kept less clean sheets Too often last season we needed to score at least twice just to get a point, it's not realistic. We have some really good midfielders and forwards (plus a good keeper) but the defence was a worry all last season and in my view still is. I really think a decent defensive signing could be the difference between a good season and a really challenging one |
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Post by Yorkie on Jul 26, 2015 17:20:07 GMT 1
It's interesting that there is so much concern for our defence despite not one single person on this board having seen the likely starting back 4/5 all play together...ever!
Not saying we won't need anyone else in mind, but even after a tough 1st game and the Rhodes effect (maybe) the window will still be open should it need to be used.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 17:53:18 GMT 1
The one constant in our piss poor goals conceded figures over the last few years has been Smithies. Perhaps that is also an area we should be looking at but the response is usually that he had no chance with any of the goals. This. I got called 'clueless' when I brought this up a few weeks ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 18:11:13 GMT 1
The one constant in our piss poor goals conceded figures over the last few years has been Smithies. Perhaps that is also an area we should be looking at but the response is usually that he had no chance with any of the goals. This. I got called 'clueless' when I brought this up a few weeks ago. I remember you said you posted the quote as a "wind up" who called you clueless? |
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Post by y2troy on Jul 26, 2015 18:16:05 GMT 1
Our strength is going forward so i knda dont see point in messing with that ,bringing in a defender is not a quick fix solution if we dont stop letting in silly goals as a team
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Post by Melc on Jul 26, 2015 19:32:40 GMT 1
It's interesting that there is so much concern for our defence despite not one single person on this board having seen the likely starting back 4/5 all play together...ever! Not saying we won't need anyone else in mind, but even after a tough 1st game and the Rhodes effect (maybe) the window will still be open should it need to be used. Four of the five played yesterday and it did not suggest Davidson alone will change the complete mess that many witnessed yesterday!! |
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Post by Yorkie on Jul 26, 2015 20:02:06 GMT 1
It's interesting that there is so much concern for our defence despite not one single person on this board having seen the likely starting back 4/5 all play together...ever! Not saying we won't need anyone else in mind, but even after a tough 1st game and the Rhodes effect (maybe) the window will still be open should it need to be used. Four of the five played yesterday and it did not suggest Davidson alone will change the complete mess that many witnessed yesterday!! Weren't 2 of them playing out of their preferred position? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:15:58 GMT 1
This. I got called 'clueless' when I brought this up a few weeks ago. I remember you said you posted the quote as a "wind up" who called you clueless? Captainslapper June 29th 1:02PM. Although I wasn't too disheartened, because as much as I respect slapper for being a reasoned debater, the strength of his rose tinted specs for some of the home grown lads is so strong you could look at the sun through them and struggle to see it. The time you refer to I was on a wind up going a bit OTT. But my point still stands - if we're all really concerned about the shit-load of goals we shed each and every season, why isn't our keeper at least included in that scrutiny and discussion? He's been consistent in our consistently shit back 5. |
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Post by Melc on Jul 26, 2015 20:21:35 GMT 1
Four of the five played yesterday and it did not suggest Davidson alone will change the complete mess that many witnessed yesterday!! Weren't 2 of them playing out of their preferred position? I just knew you would come back with that one.  But you stated in your post playing together. (Well maybe they did not play together yesterday) going by what happened, but where on the pitch in some form! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:22:53 GMT 1
Why were they playing out of position?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 20:52:42 GMT 1
I remember you said you posted the quote as a "wind up" who called you clueless? Captainslapper June 29th 1:02PM. Although I wasn't too disheartened, because as much as I respect slapper for being a reasoned debater, the strength of his rose tinted specs for some of the home grown lads is so strong you could look at the sun through them and struggle to see it. The time you refer to I was on a wind up going a bit OTT. But my point still stands - if we're all really concerned about the shit-load of goals we shed each and every season, why isn't our keeper at least included in that scrutiny and discussion? He's been consistent in our consistently shit back 5. As I recall we have a Smithies out thread at least twice a season, going right back to when we signed Bennett and up to present day with calls for Joe Murphy or even Allinson to take over. I think you've just hit the nail on the head though by saying "home grown" I mean, how can a lad from Golcar be first choice?  PS. Nothing wrong with scrutinising and discussing it, providing it's a fair discussion and not a scapegoating exercise as many a discussion turns into.. |
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jul 26, 2015 21:59:59 GMT 1
Wells didnt pull up any trees last season - but sell him and we're proper crocked.
At the moment we have Wells - Miller who is yet to settle anywhere, Vaughan who is injured a lot - and a tried and untested youngster. That's the reality.
We sell Wells and we're relying on unreliable, unpredictable and untested to score us goals - no thank you.
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But you stated in your post playing together. (Well maybe they did not play together yesterday) going by what happened, but where on the pitch in some form!
