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Post by terrierng on Aug 16, 2015 12:24:47 GMT 1
Hes got a long contract doesnt have to go at all. If he really doesn't want to leave all he has to do is say he is staying True, but if the manager is being told by the chief executive not to play him it wouldn't be good for his career to stay here and not play for three years. If that bit is true of course, who knows! If clibbens has said that then powell should walk and let it be known why.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 12:28:26 GMT 1
He doesn't seem great at choosing managers but the one thing you can trust Hoyle with is looking after the well fair of the club.
So whatever is or is not true, chill and see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 12:43:46 GMT 1
I'd hope anyone coming in would buy canalside too.anything else would be messy.i assume the stadium shares come with. The club now??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 12:45:39 GMT 1
Just for the avoidance of doubt it's probably worth pointing out a glaring factual inaccuracy in the original post. This may colour your reading of the rest... Canalside is a limited company built on share capital of 75100 shares. 75000 of those are preference shares with no rights to vote or receive any dividends, and are owned by the "Huddersfield Recreational Club" (the cooperative that used to run the old place before Town moved in). These shares effectively apportion the right to £75000 on liquidation of Canalside (presumably this is intended to safeguard the establishment of a new Rec Club if Hudds Town should ever screw up Canalside). The Hudds Rec Club additionally own a single further ordinary share which has the right to dividends and (limited) voting rights. The balance of 99 ordinary shares are attributed to HUDDERSFIELD TOWN FOOTBALL CLUB, these shares have full voting, dividend and capital distribution rights. It's HUDDERSFIELD TOWN that effectively own Canalside, not Dean Hoyle. Should the football club be sold, then Canalside WOULD be one of the assets that would be retained by the club. FACT. source: beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07337291/filing-history/MzEwNTM2NjM2NGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Aug 16, 2015 12:47:54 GMT 1
The level of spending has gone up in the championship this season. Numerous clubs bidding and spending 5m plus on 1 player. We have broken 500k once maybe twice since we were promoted I think (wells and scannell?). Hoyle is a legend and I wouldn't expect him to plough cash in at this stage but he simply isn't wealthy enough to compete at championship level. Selling the club would be the end of an era but it needs to happen. This squad needs at least 10 million spending to make us top 6 contenders. Probably needs 4 or 5 to make us regular mid table. No it doesn't, keeping hold of decent players would though. Well keeping hold of players costs money (improved contracts etc) and how you think the current squad has the strength and capability of finishing mid table is beyond me. We are at least 3 good players short
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 12:48:19 GMT 1
I really do not know what to make of this. It all sounds so plausible but it could be rubbish. I suspect whistleblowing which opens up a rather big can of worms. If true, who wants this information put out? There are so many permutations. Some of the claims mirror rumours that are doing the rounds and I suspect that the lack of attack dogs on here suggests that most think that this has some credence. Worrying times on the pitch but interesting times off it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 12:48:47 GMT 1
True, but if the manager is being told by the chief executive not to play him it wouldn't be good for his career to stay here and not play for three years. If that bit is true of course, who knows! If clibbens has said that then powell should walk and let it be known why. Powell DID I think confirm that other people effectively made the decision that Smithies would be left out yesterday.
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Post by detox on Aug 16, 2015 12:51:27 GMT 1
I heard ages ago that Dean would keep Canalside and rent it out, can't think where though - possibly on here. ditto ..think I mentioned on a thread a long while ago...Dean is a businessman, and the canalside legacy a great one, but not owned by Town.?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 12:51:35 GMT 1
If clibbens has said that then powell should walk and let it be known why. Powell DID I think confirm that other people effectively made the decision that Smithies would be left out yesterday. “There has been interest in Alex from another club. I found out on Friday night and made a decision, alongside the other people at the football club, that maybe it wasn’t right to play him. As a result, Joe (Murphy) continued in goal."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 12:55:01 GMT 1
if (and that is a big if) the chairman is looking to sell the club, it might just be because he cannot put in the level of investment needed maybe? if this is the case (another big if) I'm sure I read somewhere that he would like to stay on as exec chairman or such to make sure the club does not get screwed over.
look at the staggering amount of money being thrown around at the moment by other clubs. why should deano shell out his hard earned just to keep up?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 12:55:27 GMT 1
I heard ages ago that Dean would keep Canalside and rent it out, can't think where though - possibly on here. ditto ..think I mentioned on a thread a long while ago...Dean is a businessman, and the canalside legacy a great one, but not owned by Town. INCORRECT. Look at link I shared a few posts earlier.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 16, 2015 13:03:31 GMT 1
No it doesn't, keeping hold of decent players would though. Well keeping hold of players costs money (improved contracts etc) and how you think the current squad has the strength and capability of finishing mid table is beyond me. We are at least 3 good players short Even though its a few weeks since the same current squad ( minus Coady but plus several others) finished mid table?
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Post by ColchTerrier on Aug 16, 2015 13:05:57 GMT 1
I don't want Deano to go - I want a manager in who will get the best out of what we have now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 13:11:46 GMT 1
All that time spent blaming Ross Wilson for picking a poor first team....when it was actually Clibbens' fault!!
That said he's ruined Southampton with his meddling ;-)
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Post by detox on Aug 16, 2015 13:13:53 GMT 1
Don't know if the OP is genuine or not, but it's a fact Dean is prepared to sell - no secret there . As for the Smithies thing, Alex doesn't have to go if he doesn't want to..he would have to be paid up his 2018 contract I guess if they 'sacked' him ?
nt seems to have nailed the canalside story, except isn't HTAFC owned by Dean Hoyle ...so what he wants to sell, or keep is up to him isn't it..maybe he will secure canalside for Town by not allowing it to go into the hands of a future buyer, that may indeed be a 100 year lease for the club at a notional rent ? I don't know.
Overall though, the squad trimming in January, the price rises and sale of Coady and (maybe) Smithies does kind of have a 'tidying up' of the Town affairs...setting out a product that has many things in place, just needing new impetus and investment, attractive to an investor ? Nothing would surprise me really, all this stuff is hush hush until it's totally sorted out, then we'd be told. As for Dean himself, I don't for one minute think his investment strategy has been influenced by some 5% of fans being critical - he's a middle aged bloke, not a sensative teenager..I just think he's run out of steam - he's had 4 managers and non of them have delivered what he's asked for really, and it's that which has upset and alienated the fans more than anything else. There may well be 'influences' within the club,at board level, which you could politely say were 'misguided' perhaps, and Dean has relied on their judgement too much...? Whatever the outcome, Dean has done his best I reckon, and you can ask no more than that really, can you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 13:14:13 GMT 1
If we sell more players this window and don't invest then it's clears he wants out. Cos selling season tickets next year would be like sand to the Arabs
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 13:14:35 GMT 1
Well keeping hold of players costs money (improved contracts etc) and how you think the current squad has the strength and capability of finishing mid table is beyond me. We are at least 3 good players short Even though its a few weeks since the same current squad ( minus Coady but plus several others) finished mid table? Why does everybody forget to mention Gobern when we talk about players leaving, or James for that matter (even though he was a loan), both these players were an important part of the team that went on a decent unbeaten run at the end of the season.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Aug 16, 2015 13:16:19 GMT 1
Well keeping hold of players costs money (improved contracts etc) and how you think the current squad has the strength and capability of finishing mid table is beyond me. We are at least 3 good players short Even though its a few weeks since the same current squad ( minus Coady but plus several others) finished mid table? Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Gobern
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 13:22:04 GMT 1
how much would a championship club cost?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 13:25:07 GMT 1
how much would a championship club cost? Depends on the debt your buying. A £1.00 ??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 13:27:37 GMT 1
how much would a championship club cost? Depends on the debt your buying. A £1.00 ?? sell it to our government, they like buying debt.
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Post by townatheart on Aug 16, 2015 13:32:56 GMT 1
Just for the avoidance of doubt it's probably worth pointing out a glaring factual inaccuracy in the original post. This may colour your reading of the rest... Canalside is a limited company built on share capital of 75100 shares. 75000 of those are preference shares with no rights to vote or receive any dividends, and are owned by the "Huddersfield Recreational Club" (the cooperative that used to run the old place before Town moved in). These shares effectively apportion the right to £75000 on liquidation of Canalside (presumably this is intended to safeguard the establishment of a new Rec Club if Hudds Town should ever screw up Canalside). The Hudds Rec Club additionally own a single further ordinary share which has the right to dividends and (limited) voting rights. The balance of 99 ordinary shares are attributed to HUDDERSFIELD TOWN FOOTBALL CLUB, these shares have full voting, dividend and capital distribution rights. It's HUDDERSFIELD TOWN that effectively own Canalside, not Dean Hoyle. Should the football club be sold, then Canalside WOULD be one of the assets that would be retained by the club. FACT. source: beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07337291/filing-history/MzEwNTM2NjM2NGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf remarkable, an actual bit of FACT !! how refreshing is that well done
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 16, 2015 13:35:55 GMT 1
I have no idea whether any of those rumours have any substance or not. The smithies one- well when you have good players its a fact you'll get bids for them. there are about 5 clubs in the world who aren't selling clubs and HTFC- one of the smallest in england's 2nd tier and losing money at an alarming rate- aren't one of them. Every player has a value that we would sell at. Same as every other club at this level. Wheeling and dealing in players is part of our strategy, it has to be. Id be surprised if AS wants to go. Local lad new baby, Id guess his wife is local too so would he want to up sticks to the other end of the country at this time of his life. More money maybe but id imagine hes doing very nicely on that front as it is. Butterfield- as above. Hoyle- I wouldn't be surprised at all. If it is true then IMO its just the chickens coming home to roost for the fans of this club. Too much negativity and too little support from the missing 1000s that normally appear when a club does better than it has for many years. Id imagine he feels let down badly and disillusioned. I know i would. Its been an extremely expensive adventure for him but he knows he could walk away now and hold his head up high at how hes left the club in a much better state then when he got it. Powell- a manager unhappy that he hasn't signed all the players he'd have ideally wanted? Hardly a rarety. If push came to shove and he left then i doubt thered be many tears on either side. Always seemed a strange fit for us- a London boy who's family still live down there. I never really expected him to be a long term manager myself. Someone like Redfearn would be a much better fit in many ways IMO. You mention this negativity from the fans, well I'm afraid Mr Hoyle and board set the tone for that negativity at the moment. Where's his passion gone? Where's the positivity gone? You can't just expect fans to come flocking at £30 a match just because it's 'Championship' football. People want value for money. From the moment we got promoted the bar has been set far too low and that has had a knock on effect throughout the whole club and now fans are losing interest as it appears the board have also lost interest.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Aug 16, 2015 13:41:31 GMT 1
Dean has said that the stadium and canal side will be put into trust to protect them. This means that without those assets the club is worth next to nothing for investors.
It will only appeal to people wanting a 'plaything'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 13:42:35 GMT 1
Is it just me or has all this talk of board change, fire sales and unrest made Town a bit more exciting again?
We've been a shambles of a club all my life, the past 3 years of 'consolidation' have been particularly dull.
I guess stability, steady progress and careful planning just aren't the HTFC way. Let's fire the roller coaster back up again!
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Post by detox on Aug 16, 2015 13:54:07 GMT 1
Dean has said that the stadium and canal side will be put into trust to protect them. This means that without those assets the club is worth next to nothing for investors. It will only appeal to people wanting a 'plaything' I don't think the stadium will be put in 'trust' ...we only own 40% of it... I think you meant our shares in KSDL ? (just being pedantic, sorry)
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Aug 16, 2015 13:55:02 GMT 1
I'm not trying to sound funny but this club is a million times better off than when dean first took over and I'm sure thousands of town fans will be grateful.
Sadly dean has paid too much attention to negative voices and became very frustrated after trying various managers and trying to be positive when Clark was here, the club appeared to give up on that after not seeing it reflected by fans.
Things like that need to become institutionalised thoughout the club and it just wasn't given long enough to become embedded, a shame because I felt we had turned a corner with fans just as the club gave up. I don't think this helped with the apathy, and led to a 'if the club give up why should we bother' approach.
Sadly he needs a bit more arrogance and thicker skin than he has, there's always going to be negative people, the top teams have negative people.
I've said it before but perhaps we would be better with the owner not being the chairman and having someone else at the top to take the criticism?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 13:55:23 GMT 1
Please, please do not be taken in by another attention seeking nonentity. I strongly suspect this is one of our frequent posters using another name to try and get a bit of credibility.
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Post by detox on Aug 16, 2015 13:56:51 GMT 1
I reckon Assem Allam will be sniffing around once he's offloaded Hull City Tigers.. - Huddersfield Town Terrier Tigers sounds the business to me.... (not)
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 16, 2015 14:22:55 GMT 1
Don't know if the OP is genuine or not, but it's a fact Dean is prepared to sell - no secret there . As for the Smithies thing, Alex doesn't have to go if he doesn't want to..he would have to be paid up his 2018 contract I guess if they 'sacked' him ? nt seems to have nailed the canalside story, except isn't HTAFC owned by Dean Hoyle ...so what he wants to sell, or keep is up to him isn't it..maybe he will secure canalside for Town by not allowing it to go into the hands of a future buyer, that may indeed be a 100 year lease for the club at a notional rent ? I don't know. Overall though, the squad trimming in January, the price rises and sale of Coady and (maybe) Smithies does kind of have a 'tidying up' of the Town affairs...setting out a product that has many things in place, just needing new impetus and investment, attractive to an investor ? Nothing would surprise me really, all this stuff is hush hush until it's totally sorted out, then we'd be told. As for Dean himself, I don't for one minute think his investment strategy has been influenced by some 5% of fans being critical - he's a middle aged bloke, not a sensative teenager..I just think he's run out of steam - he's had 4 managers and non of them have delivered what he's asked for really, and it's that which has upset and alienated the fans more than anything else. There may well be 'influences' within the club,at board level, which you could politely say were 'misguided' perhaps, and Dean has relied on their judgement too much...? Whatever the outcome, Dean has done his best I reckon, and you can ask no more than that really, can you. Very good post. That was what I feared ever since that dour performance Dean gave at a Canalside pre-match interview early last season 'it is what it is', 'we are where we are' etc. It was in direct contrast to his earlier upbeat interviews when he came over as enthusiastic about how far we could go. When you've spent what he has and had to deal with lack of loyalty from players, managers and some supporters, there must come a point when you think why am I doing this? We'll never get another Dean Hoyle and I am concerned for the club's future direction. 1) Who is going to come in and buy the club and also have x number of millions to invest in getting us to the promised land? 2) Is that what the fans want?
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