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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 14:49:38 GMT 1
Are you having a go at Vaughan or Powell here? I for one would have picked him on Saturday and let him talk to whoever on Sunday or Monday. You can't blame him though for looking elsewhere when he's been given his notice. Sorry, I forgot the first rule of DATM - You've always got to be "having a go" at SOMEONE (hey Chips Longhorn ?). Again, in MY world, it IS possible to discuss issues like this, in a socratic way, if you like - all I was doing was to ponder why Vaughan wasn't playing and to see whether anyone else had any reason why our top forward (evidently) was not playing on saturday, because I could see no valid reason for his absence. Either he was not selected because he is no better than Miller (WHAT?!!) or he was injured (again!) or he declined to play (which is a disgrace, in my opinion). Eh ? Why sully my name ? All I did was answer your question .. I thought I was being nice
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 31, 2015 14:49:39 GMT 1
Either he was not selected because he is no better than Miller (WHAT?!!) or he was injured (again!) or he declined to play (which is a disgrace, in my opinion). I think there is a 4th option, that he just isn't in our plans. We know he's offski and we get used to playing without him (not hard to do over the last few months).
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 14:51:20 GMT 1
Its not really that strange when the club have already told him that they definitely wont be offering him a contract extension and that he is free to start finding another club. That is self evident. What I meant about it being strange is that presumably if he is fit enough to be looking for a job he's fit enough to be playing! Lets see what we get in in the next few weeks to replace him.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 14:52:10 GMT 1
Sorry, I forgot the first rule of DATM - You've always got to be "having a go" at SOMEONE (hey Chips Longhorn ?). Again, in MY world, it IS possible to discuss issues like this, in a socratic way, if you like - all I was doing was to ponder why Vaughan wasn't playing and to see whether anyone else had any reason why our top forward (evidently) was not playing on saturday, because I could see no valid reason for his absence. Either he was not selected because he is no better than Miller (WHAT?!!) or he was injured (again!) or he declined to play (which is a disgrace, in my opinion). Eh ? Why sully my name ? All I did was answer your question .. I thought I was being nice Sorry Ted - my pavlovian seeping through!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 14:52:27 GMT 1
Are you having a go at Vaughan or Powell here? I for one would have picked him on Saturday and let him talk to whoever on Sunday or Monday. You can't blame him though for looking elsewhere when he's been given his notice. Sorry, I forgot the first rule of DATM - You've always got to be "having a go" at SOMEONE (hey Chips Longhorn ?). Again, in MY world, it IS possible to discuss issues like this, in a socratic way, if you like - all I was doing was to ponder why Vaughan wasn't playing and to see whether anyone else had any reason why our top forward (evidently) was not playing on saturday, because I could see no valid reason for his absence. Either he was not selected because he is no better than Miller (WHAT?!!) or he was injured (again!) or he declined to play (which is a disgrace, in my opinion). Socrates ... he was a player.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 14:53:28 GMT 1
Either he was not selected because he is no better than Miller (WHAT?!!) or he was injured (again!) or he declined to play (which is a disgrace, in my opinion). I think there is a 4th option, that he just isn't in our plans. We know he's offski and we get used to playing without him (not hard to do over the last few months). If I was Powell that's what I would be doing.
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 31, 2015 14:55:41 GMT 1
Same here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 14:56:44 GMT 1
Its not really that strange when the club have already told him that they definitely wont be offering him a contract extension and that he is free to start finding another club. That is self evident. What I meant about it being strange is that presumably if he is fit enough to be looking for a job he's fit enough to be playing! Lets see what we get in in the next few weeks to replace him. The financial benefit to the club in him being able to leave now may outweigh the risk of him getting injured in a game, finding him unable to pass a medical and being a continuing drain on the club until January.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 31, 2015 14:59:55 GMT 1
If he cant be found somewhere to go then if he is fit, he plays, or at least he sits on the bench..
would be ludicrous for us to keep paying that sort of money to a non playing member of staff..
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 15:00:29 GMT 1
That is self evident. What I meant about it being strange is that presumably if he is fit enough to be looking for a job he's fit enough to be playing! Lets see what we get in in the next few weeks to replace him. The financial benefit to the club in him being able to leave now may outweigh the risk of him getting injured in a game, finding him unable to pass a medical and being a continuing drain on the club until January. If Vaughan could pass a medical I'd be looking for a new doctor. Wonder if he might get swapped for Holt - who must be getting back to fitness now.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Aug 31, 2015 15:07:30 GMT 1
I think holt is out for quite some time yet.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 15:12:19 GMT 1
What concerns me about Town is the continuing impression that "things aren't quite right" behind the scenes. The last couple of seasons we've had the Paterson/Clayton punch-up, we've had rumours of disruptive influences within the dressing room... Gerrard, Hammill, Ward (others...Lynch?), allegations that Dean Hoyle has "had words" with Stead, maybe others, implications that Smithies has been forced out against his will, Holmes and Billing have bad attitudes etc, etc. Now the various rumours/allegations/facts* (*delete as necessary) concerning Vaughan. I know it's impossible for everyone to get on with everyone else all of the time, but, jeez, will it never end, all this negativity?
My view on the Vaughan situation is one of sadness. If only he'd have been able to keep fit and play like he was doing 15 months or so ago then Town would likely have been challenging for a top 10 place, and we'd likely be trying to fend off mega-bucks offers for him. Instead, it seems clear that the relationship between Vaughan and the club has broken down irretrievably.Town haven't had VFM out of Vaughan for 12 months or more, so, in the circumstances, he has to go. Sad, very sad.
Maybe it just happens at every other club too, but we only really care about Town, so we only really notice it with Town. It's concerning though and, to be honest, it's getting me down. I'm growing out of love with football.
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Post by COWleySHED on Aug 31, 2015 15:17:11 GMT 1
What concerns me about Town is the continuing impression that "things aren't quite right" behind the scenes. The last couple of seasons we've had the Paterson/Clayton punch-up, we've had rumours of disruptive influences within the dressing room... Gerrard, Hammill, Ward (others...Lynch?), allegations that Dean Hoyle has "had words" with Stead, maybe others, implications that Smithies has been forced out against his will, Holmes and Billing have bad attitudes etc, etc. Now the various rumours/allegations/facts* (*delete as necessary) concerning Vaughan. I know it's impossible for everyone to get on with everyone else all of the time, but, jeez, will it never end, all this negativity? My view on the Vaughan situation is one of sadness. If only he'd have been able to keep fit and play like he was doing 15 months or so ago then Town would likely have been challenging for a top 10 place, and we'd likely be trying to fend off mega-bucks offers for him. Instead, it seems clear that the relationship between Vaughan and the club has broken down irretrievably.Town haven't had VFM out of Vaughan for 12 months or more, so, in the circumstances, he has to go. Sad, very sad. Maybe it just happens at every other club too, but we only really care about Town, so we only really notice it with Town. It's concerning though and, to be honest, it's getting me down. I'm growing out of love with football. the middle chapter of your post rings most true with me. So sad the way vaughans career has stalled this last 2 years
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Post by detox on Aug 31, 2015 15:31:00 GMT 1
" I’ve spoken to James and we’re fine about things moving forward; there are no problems, although he clearly feels his future is away from here. That’s the way it is and I have to look at my squad moving forward.”
That quote tells me JV is not a problem to the club with his attitude..nor are Town pushing him out - it says vaughan 'feels his future is away from here'...which suggests the club want him to stay ? Whatever the reason JV wants away we don't know..after how well Town seem to have looked after him.. Italso says JV is not happy just sitting drawing his wages...if he's actively seeking a move away...maybe there's another 'issue' ?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 15:37:25 GMT 1
" I’ve spoken to James and we’re fine about things moving forward; there are no problems, although he clearly feels his future is away from here. That’s the way it is and I have to look at my squad moving forward.” That quote tells me JV is not a problem to the club with his attitude..nor are Town pushing him out - it says vaughan 'feels his future is away from here'...which suggests the club want him to stay ? Whatever the reason JV wants away we don't know..after how well Town seem to have looked after him.. Italso says JV is not happy just sitting drawing his wages...if he's actively seeking a move away... maybe there's another 'issue' ? Perhaps Vaughan realises that he hasn't been able to forge any kind of decent partnership with Wells and he may also appreciate that Town can't try to build a team around him, given his injury record? Just a thought.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 15:52:32 GMT 1
I very much doubt that any player would be "motivated " enough to perform to a high standard after being told that they are no longer wanted by the club. Huddersfield Town were surely well aware of Vaughan's past injury problems before they signed him , and signing a what seems to be an injury prone player was nothing more than a gamble. That gamble appears to have paid off especially if you take into consideration the past contribution Vaughan has made to keeping town in the championship. What amazes me the most is the fact that it has ben reported that there are clubs out there willing to take on " what seems " at present to be nothing much more than a very expensive sick note.
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 31, 2015 15:56:28 GMT 1
Be assured that Town (Dean Hoyle) have not considered him value for money for quite some time, I posted on DATM back in January that an impeccable source very close to DH had told me that they were desperate to offload him and his wages in the Jan transfer window but he was just on the way back from injury (hardly a surprise) and no offer was forthcoming. Relationship between JV and DH was cordial then - has DH becoming more public about the issue changed the dynamics?
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Post by detox on Aug 31, 2015 16:02:45 GMT 1
I very much doubt that any player would be "motivated " enough to perform to a high standard after being told that they are no longer wanted by the club. Huddersfield Town were surely well aware of Vaughan's past injury problems before they signed him , and signing a what seems to be an injury prone player was nothing more than a gamble. That gamble appears to have paid off especially if you take into consideration the " past contribution " Vaughan has made to keeping town in the championship. What amazes me the most is the fact that there are clubs out there willing to take on " what seems " at present to be nothing much more than a very expensive sick note. but the quote said james feels his future is away from the club...how is that Town kicking him out ?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 16:07:48 GMT 1
I very much doubt that any player would be "motivated " enough to perform to a high standard after being told that they are no longer wanted by the club. Huddersfield Town were surely well aware of Vaughan's past injury problems before they signed him , and signing a what seems to be an injury prone player was nothing more than a gamble. That gamble appears to have paid off especially if you take into consideration the " past contribution " Vaughan has made to keeping town in the championship. What amazes me the most is the fact that there are clubs out there willing to take on " what seems " at present to be nothing much more than a very expensive sick note. but the quote said james feels his future is away from the club...how is that Town kicking him out ? "No longer wanted by the club " was after being told that his contract was not being renewed. I did not say that the club kicked him out.
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Post by billy2403 on Aug 31, 2015 16:23:44 GMT 1
Vaughan off to wigan
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Post by detox on Aug 31, 2015 16:33:04 GMT 1
but the quote said james feels his future is away from the club...how is that Town kicking him out ? "No longer wanted by the club " was after being told that his contract was not being renewed. I did not say that the club kicked him out. True, sorry I misquoted you ... But the slant from the quote by the club was it was james who saw his future away from the club...which presumably comes before the club said he is no longer wanted..wouldn't make sense if it was the other way round......If Town had said james 'recognises' his future is away from Town..then maybe...
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Post by artysid on Aug 31, 2015 17:03:06 GMT 1
I very much doubt that any player would be "motivated " enough to perform to a high standard after being told that they are no longer wanted by the club. Huddersfield Town were surely well aware of Vaughan's past injury problems before they signed him , and signing a what seems to be an injury prone player was nothing more than a gamble. That gamble appears to have paid off especially if you take into consideration the past contribution Vaughan has made to keeping town in the championship. What amazes me the most is the fact that it has ben reported that there are clubs out there willing to take on " what seems " at present to be nothing much more than a very expensive sick note. If I was going to loose £15k a week and probably end up in a job that doesn't pay that a year for the rest of my life, I'd be motivated to try and play well enough to secure a contract with another club - you bet I would.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 17:08:55 GMT 1
If I was going to loose £15k a week and probably end up in a job that doesn't pay that a year for the rest of my life, I'd be motivated to try and play well enough to secure a contract with another club - you bet I would. Are you Oscar Gobern?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 17:09:42 GMT 1
Has he gone yet?
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 31, 2015 19:17:02 GMT 1
Not disputing any of what Powell said, but that didn't actually say that rather than being on the bench he was actually at another club for discussions. We all knew/know that he was/is actively seeking a way out, but I don't think he was doing that between 3:00 and 5:00 on Saturday; he was just 'dropped', probably considered to be "in the wrong frame of mind". Or, at least, that was my interpretation of it; semantics, I know ... Probably the club not wanting to risk him getting injured before deadline Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 31, 2015 19:19:07 GMT 1
Serious question - how the hell will he pass his medical?
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Post by Tez on Aug 31, 2015 19:20:20 GMT 1
Serious question - how the hell will he pass his medical? Walk 5 paces unaided and that's it hopefully. Knowing our luck he'll rip his knee ligaments
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 19:24:16 GMT 1
If he's only got a year left here on good money he will want to prove himself while he feels fit with a good pre-season. Say he plays 15 matches for us this year, gets injured in April having scored 6 goals. He then has trials whilst not fully fit and ends up on the scrap heap. As it is he can go to a club raring to go, get 2-3 years and look after himself. Town then save his wedge and prepare for the future ourselves. It's win/win. No need to look for disharmony or scandal.
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Post by specialun on Aug 31, 2015 19:26:00 GMT 1
As I've said Hoyle wants rid, he hasn't forced it - Hoyle should pay him, he should hold out for a pay off if Hoyle wants to save the money so much. He's entitled to sit and see out his contract
He should be in the bl00dy team, but that's another point - at least we have the rugby player upfront.
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Post by portugalterrier on Aug 31, 2015 19:34:17 GMT 1
Vaughan can stay and play till the end of season,he has said he wants to go therefore any dimunition in wages by moving to a club not prepared to match his current wages should be down to Vaughan , maybe worth keeping as cover,but probably worth getting rid .
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