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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Aug 29, 2015 19:19:53 GMT 1
How's he getting on for Town?
At City, I'd say his three best attributes were: finishing, pace and work rate. Three things he needed to improve on were: strength, first touch, smile more.
Are these strengths and weaknesses still the case 18 months on?
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Post by detox on Aug 29, 2015 19:20:51 GMT 1
he's shite, you can have him back.. we were mugged.
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Post by ACW on Aug 29, 2015 19:24:36 GMT 1
How's he getting on for Town? At City, I'd say his three best attributes were: finishing, pace and work rate. Three things he needed to improve on were: strength, first touch, smile more. Are these strengths and weaknesses still the case 18 months on? He's obviously bulked up over the summer, but his touch and passing let him down. They were very poor today. I am confident he'll score a few for us, but we need to create more chances for him. And he needs to help himself by improving his touch. He definitely needs to smile more. That said, if I'd played as shite as he did today I don't think I'd have been smiling over much either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:24:45 GMT 1
How's he getting on for Town? At City, I'd say his three best attributes were: finishing, pace and work rate. Three things he needed to improve on were: strength, first touch, smile more. Are these strengths and weaknesses still the case 18 months on? I'm amazed he scores as many as he does. He isn't a player you want when the chips are down, that's for sure. people were banding silly money about a few weeks ago when here was speculation, I don't think he's worth what we paid though unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:26:12 GMT 1
How's he getting on for Town? At City, I'd say his three best attributes were: finishing, pace and work rate. Three things he needed to improve on were: strength, first touch, smile more. Are these strengths and weaknesses still the case 18 months on? Was saying today that in 18 months his first touch has not developed at all. His second touch is a tackle. If he could that is. The first two strengths are ok. Merely ok. The last strength is hit and miss. All the weaknesses still apply. In his defence he needs a proper partner and for the manager to play a system that plays to his strengths. This would be a formation that creates opportunities and doesn't use two holding midfielders, uses two wide players to provide balance and creativity. Apart from all that, yeah, he's worth £75m and has developed immeasurably. Despite the sarcastic tone I do rate him. Needs a proper partner as I said.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 29, 2015 20:48:36 GMT 1
He started great. but head goes down after a couple of poor touches
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Aug 29, 2015 21:10:46 GMT 1
Is it just me or have most of his goals for us been scrappy/scruffy/goal poached/knock ins?
I can't think of many clean hit shots.
If someone offered us break even money I would snap their hand off.
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Post by AndySk on Aug 29, 2015 21:23:34 GMT 1
Top player, good movement, holds it up well when balls not arsed at his head, would score a fair few in an attacking team. Id start him every game
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Aug 29, 2015 21:30:54 GMT 1
He isn't pacy and his finishing is hit and miss.
Movement isn't good enough either. All in all, I am not impressed with him
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 29, 2015 21:36:31 GMT 1
He's struggling against better defenders because of his stature and poor first touch. He needs a big prolific scorer next to him and we can't afford one is the truth of the matter. If someone else was spear heading the attack he'd be getting 20 a season. Hate to say it but I'm not sure he'll ever be prolific at Championship level.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 29, 2015 21:40:08 GMT 1
Can't trap or control a ball so far.
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Post by philincalifornia on Aug 29, 2015 21:45:12 GMT 1
Is it just me or have most of his goals for us been scrappy/scruffy/goal poached/knock ins? I can't think of many clean hit shots. If someone offered us break even money I would snap their hand off. Millwall last year (I remember stuff when I'm actually at the game):
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Aug 30, 2015 13:09:55 GMT 1
Not pacy? He must be quickest player in your squad?
Still think he was a bargain but not as a complete player as a Wilson/Assombalonga who were signed at a similar time.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 30, 2015 13:16:03 GMT 1
He's decent IMO, 15-20 goal striker if we play to his strengths. Those who'd see him sold where do they think we'd buy a similar or better striker from for the peanuts we'd be prepared to pay.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 13:23:08 GMT 1
Could do with gluing a bath sponge to the inside of a football boot, to sort out his first touch. Then he'd be a real player.
Currently I'm convinced he plays in cappers!
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 31, 2015 10:14:17 GMT 1
He isn't pacy and his finishing is hit and miss. Movement isn't good enough either. All in all, I am not impressed with him Spot on plus mental strength weak. Head goes down quickly. Unlike good strikers would be, he isn't our first line of defence. Town have failed to develop him but he lacks adaptability so unless every other component of the team is perfectly set up for him, he is like a spare part.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 31, 2015 10:17:25 GMT 1
Finishing one of his strong points?! What's happened
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2015 10:17:53 GMT 1
Not pacy? He must be quickest player in your squad? Still think he was a bargain but not as a complete player as a Wilson/Assombalonga who were signed at a similar time. He doesn't score enough, he has shocking first touch IMO. Not developed much at all. We are really struggling for two strikers pal. Java going and we only have Wells and Miller. Can we loan one of yours ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:21:10 GMT 1
Has he ever recovered from that shocker against Fulham?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2015 10:23:53 GMT 1
Problem with Wells is that we are asking him to do stuff he can't do, we should just be using him as and out and out goalscorer, get him some service from the wings and service from midfield.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 31, 2015 10:32:13 GMT 1
2 from 5 so far in team that doesn't create much. Who else can we rely on to score goals? If we hold on to him he'll still be our top scorer come the end of the season.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 10:36:43 GMT 1
Apart from Wells and Butterfield we've just about nothing else in terms of goal scoring threat. We've next to nothing to spend on anyone decent and our manager is reportedly looking at Marvin fucking Sordell. It's a bit of a sorry situation at present.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2015 10:39:44 GMT 1
Apart from Wells and Butterfield we've just about nothing else in terms of goal scoring threat. We've next to nothing to spend on anyone decent and our manager is reportedly looking at Marvin fucking Sordell. It's a bit of a sorry situation at present. Exactly, Butts will score a few long range if he stays ? Hogg and Whitehead won't score Scans scores Two or three a season at best A very worrying time.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 31, 2015 10:40:17 GMT 1
20 goals in 62 appearances in the league & 3 goals in the cups. Not bad but could do better imo, very much a confidence player.. Still room for improvement, but he needs to play off the shoulder of a target man.. How's Hanson getting on this season?
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Post by 4 pts on Aug 31, 2015 10:46:43 GMT 1
2 from 5 so far in team that doesn't create much. Who else can we rely on to score goals? If we hold on to him he'll still be our top scorer come the end of the season. Clearly should have had 4 from 5 though. Not sure what it is, be it taking his eye off the ball or lack of confidence. Against Brighton and again on Saturday completely missed the ball when Scannell played it across the 6 yard box.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:17:13 GMT 1
Not a fan at all. I know it doesn't help that he is isolated a lot of the time, but that doesn't excuse his shocking lack of ability to control the ball.
We paid way too much for him
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 12:19:38 GMT 1
All strikers miss chances at least he's still getting in goal scoring positions. His goal return should be a bit better but I'm not sure where folk think Town would have the cash and pulling power to sign someone better. We're stuck with non threatening dross like Miller and are looking by all accounts at Sordell who is another striker who doesn't score very often.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:20:29 GMT 1
Not a fan at all. I know it doesn't help that he is isolated a lot of the time, but that doesn't excuse his shocking lack of ability to control the ball. We paid way too much for him But, for what it's worth, I'm with you on this one.
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 31, 2015 12:32:59 GMT 1
Without his goals we would be in league 1 now and I think fans need to remember that.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 12:44:46 GMT 1
His work rate, strength and ability has improved with us but we need someone who is good outside the box and more than just a finisher, and quite a few would argue about his finishing ability - he missed quite a lot of dobbers last season.
The potential partnership of Vaughan and Wells sounded like a good un on paper - but never quite came off for all sorts of different reasons.
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