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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 12:45:10 GMT 1
Folk slagging Wells off ought to stop and contemplate a potential pairing of Sordell and Miller !!! A truly horrific prospect !!!!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 31, 2015 12:45:37 GMT 1
Is it just me or have most of his goals for us been scrappy/scruffy/goal poached/knock ins? I can't think of many clean hit shots. If someone offered us break even money I would snap their hand off. Sounds promising, Michael Owen was an expert at the scuffed finish
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 13:02:09 GMT 1
Folk slagging Wells off ought to stop and contemplate a potential pairing of Sordell and Miller !!! A truly horrific prospect !!!! Can't disagree with that - truly frightening - although I'll reserve the right to slag Nahki off.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 31, 2015 13:02:28 GMT 1
Wells is strange. I don't think his average first touch is anything like as bad as people make out, whilst outside the box I'd rather see the ball at his feet over Vaughan or Miller (or Rhodes); he's much better vision and hits a crisper pass.
Just every now and again he does something almost Sunday League standard, such as his horrendous shinner on Saturday and a couple of incidents away at Sheff Wed last season.
Just feels to me, the level of comments are exaggerated in-line with the overall feeling many have around the club, rather than each thing being judged on it's specific merits.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 13:08:29 GMT 1
Wells is strange. I don't think his average first touch is anything like as bad as people make out, whilst outside the box I'd rather see the ball at his feet over Vaughan or Miller (or Rhodes); he's much better vision and hits a crisper pass. Just every now and again he does something almost Sunday League standard, such as his horrendous shinner on Saturday and a couple of incidents away at Sheff Wed last season. Just feels to me, the level of comments are exaggerated in-line with the overall feeling many have around the club, rather than each thing being judged on it's specific merits. Thought his first 20 mins on Saturday were outstanding and as well as I've seen him play outside the box. He gets some poor balls heaved up to him and its hardly surprising that sometimes they bounce off him so I agree that his control is not as bad as some make out. However, overall just don't think he has the pace and power to frighten defences at this level - and he/we looked toothless on Saturday. He had plenty of decent possession but couldn't do anything with it after those first 20 mins. I've yet to see him play in a role in which he can thrive with Town - but always have the sneaky feeling there should be one.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 13:08:43 GMT 1
A lot of Town fans seem to prefer the Alan Lee / Ishmael Miller type of player who pose little goal threat but make a nuisance of themselves. I just can't see Wells and Butterfield apart where the goals will come from.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2015 13:26:10 GMT 1
Wells is strange. I don't think his average first touch is anything like as bad as people make out, whilst outside the box I'd rather see the ball at his feet over Vaughan or Miller (or Rhodes); he's much better vision and hits a crisper pass. Just every now and again he does something almost Sunday League standard, such as his horrendous shinner on Saturday and a couple of incidents away at Sheff Wed last season. Just feels to me, the level of comments are exaggerated in-line with the overall feeling many have around the club, rather than each thing being judged on it's specific merits. Spot on Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Novakaine on Aug 31, 2015 13:37:45 GMT 1
I think Wells would benefit from having Dempsey in the team. His small cameos suggest he tries playing neat balls through. Ideal for pacy strikers. I was looking forward to seeing a Dempsey-Hiwula combo, for this very strategy.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 13:38:21 GMT 1
He started great. but head goes down after a couple of poor touches About 5 minutes then?!! Still have him to score >15 goals this season, chin up Nahki lad!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 13:47:22 GMT 1
A lot of Town fans seem to prefer the Alan Lee / Ishmael Miller type of player who pose little goal threat but make a nuisance of themselves. I just can't see Wells and Butterfield apart where the goals will come from. .... but I can't see the goals coming from Nahki either and Saturday was a good example. He had a lot of ball in decent positions but just couldn't develop them into opportunities. He has to be a lot more than a "finisher" at this level.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 13:50:53 GMT 1
I think Wells would benefit from having Dempsey in the team. His small cameos suggest he tries playing neat balls through. Ideal for pacy strikers. I was looking forward to seeing a Dempsey-Hiwula combo, for this very strategy. I would say Nahki is sharp in the box and would benefit from neat through balls .... but Nahki isn't pacey? I've never seen him outpace a defender. Butterfield tries loads of neat through balls but they are often going in a different direction to Nahki. Don't know what they do in training all week!
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 31, 2015 13:54:54 GMT 1
I rate him. Utterly ridiculous that he's played up front on his own some times. Desperately need a good partner for him. Good being the OPERATIVE WORD
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 14:01:28 GMT 1
I rate him. Utterly ridiculous that he's played up front on his own some times. Desperately need a good partner for him. Good being the OPERATIVE WORD Don't disagree that he can only thrive with a good partner because he is very limited on his own. So who is your man to accompany him and how do we get him? We got a good big lad in Holt last season and that put Nahki on the bench quite a lot!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 14:18:49 GMT 1
Finishing one of his strong points?! What's happened He joined the Championship. It's hard.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 31, 2015 14:33:42 GMT 1
Finishing one of his strong points?! What's happened He joined the Championship. It's hard. Changing league doesnt effect your finishing?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 14:41:56 GMT 1
He joined the Championship. It's hard. Changing league doesnt effect your finishing? Yes, it does. If the ball was passed to you unmarked on the edge of the area, would you be more likely to cock up against Hudds Ladies or Hudds Town? Decisions have to be made quicker, and you have fewer chances.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 14:46:46 GMT 1
Changing league doesnt effect your finishing? Yes, it does. If the ball was passed to you unmarked on the edge of the area, would you be more likely to cock up against Hudds Ladies or Hudds Town? Decisions have to be made quicker, and you have fewer chances. The Championship is a whole new ball game for a striker from L2 then L1 who is used to a big guy going up and nodding on the long ball from the back/midfield and then chasing it to smash it into the net. Nobody plays that type of football in this league any more; it's all square, back, square, back, square, back, square, ... zzzzzzzzzzzzz ...
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Post by rantinray on Aug 31, 2015 15:54:51 GMT 1
How's he getting on for Town? At City, I'd say his three best attributes were: finishing, pace and work rate. Three things he needed to improve on were: strength, first touch, smile more. Are these strengths and weaknesses still the case 18 months on? I'm amazed he scores as many as he does. He isn't a player you want when the chips are down, that's for sure. people were banding silly money about a few weeks ago when here was speculation, I don't think he's worth what we paid though unfortunately. To be fair Megatron he has not had the best of service and he has also played as the lone striker. Yes, his touch control could be better. Did we pay over the odds for him, I would probably say yes. We know he can score goals and he should have matured more at Town but I come back to the service he gets. Vaughan was in the same boat when he was fit, both good players on their day. Heres hoping that Wells can get the help he needs to just show the fans what he can do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:01:34 GMT 1
I'm amazed he scores as many as he does. He isn't a player you want when the chips are down, that's for sure. people were banding silly money about a few weeks ago when here was speculation, I don't think he's worth what we paid though unfortunately. To be fair Megatron he has not had the best of service and he has also played as the lone striker. Yes, his touch control could be better. Did we pay over the odds for him, I would probably say yes. We know he can score goals and he should have matured more at Town but I come back to the service he gets. Vaughan was in the same boat when he was fit, both good players on their day. Heres hoping that Wells can get the help he needs to just show the fans what he can do. Your absolutely right, ever since he's been at town the service has been pretty crap. Why sign a player like Wells, who notoriously flourished with 6'4 Hanson next to him every week, only to shove him up front as a lone striker in a higher division!? I get all this, it must be frustrating for him, but even with basics (i.e. first touch etc), sometimes, he doesn't look like a pro, I know this sounds like I'm exaggerating, but I really don't think I am! I think the bottom line is, we either need to sign/pick a striker to play next to Wells, who can support him properly, AND, actively start creating more chances instead of lumping it long to the forwards all the time, or perhaps he would be better coming of the bench for the last 10 mins when we need a goal.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 16:08:28 GMT 1
I'm amazed he scores as many as he does. He isn't a player you want when the chips are down, that's for sure. people were banding silly money about a few weeks ago when here was speculation, I don't think he's worth what we paid though unfortunately. To be fair Megatron he has not had the best of service and he has also played as the lone striker. Yes, his touch control could be better. Did we pay over the odds for him, I would probably say yes. We know he can score goals and he should have matured more at Town but I come back to the service he gets. Vaughan was in the same boat when he was fit, both good players on their day. Heres hoping that Wells can get the help he needs to just show the fans what he can do. Everybody would like to have the sort of service where its handed to you on a plate on the penalty spot. That doesn't happen often though - anywhere. Strikers need to do a lot more than finish up that type of service. I don't think service is the main problem. The main problem is that when he gets the ball outside the box he can't do anything with it.
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 31, 2015 16:13:41 GMT 1
Several posters have asked where goals would come from . Bunn scored 9 in 30 apps last season Wells scored 11 in 35 including pens (often won by Bunn)
Bunn may not be good enough for this league but the stats don't show Wells is any better
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 31, 2015 16:15:10 GMT 1
Several posters have asked where goals would come from . Bunn scored 9 in 30 apps last season Wells scored 11 in 35 including pens (often won by Bunn)
Bunn may not be good enough for this league but the stats don't show Wells is any better
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2015 17:29:41 GMT 1
To be fair Megatron he has not had the best of service and he has also played as the lone striker. Yes, his touch control could be better. Did we pay over the odds for him, I would probably say yes. We know he can score goals and he should have matured more at Town but I come back to the service he gets. Vaughan was in the same boat when he was fit, both good players on their day. Heres hoping that Wells can get the help he needs to just show the fans what he can do. Everybody would like to have the sort of service where its handed to you on a plate on the penalty spot. That doesn't happen often though - anywhere. Strikers need to do a lot more than finish up that type of service. I don't think service is the main problem. The main problem is that when he gets the ball outside the box he can't do anything with it. We got £8m for someone who was shit outside the box Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 18:22:44 GMT 1
Everybody would like to have the sort of service where its handed to you on a plate on the penalty spot. That doesn't happen often though - anywhere. Strikers need to do a lot more than finish up that type of service. I don't think service is the main problem. The main problem is that when he gets the ball outside the box he can't do anything with it. We got £8m for someone who was shit outside the box Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards That's true enough - but there is no comparison between Rhodes and Wells in the box? Rhodes is extraordinarily special in the box, but even with that he's not making the next step up. That's because coaches at Premiership level must have great doubts about him making it at that level due to his inability to lead the line for the team - outside the box. I truly hope Wells will lead us somewhere but he's been here best part of two season with quite a few different partners and we are still arguing about him!
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Aug 31, 2015 18:43:05 GMT 1
One of his first goals for us was after he ran with the ball for 20 yards before scoring in the top corner from 30 yards. He rarely did that again for us. I used to think Parky coached it out of him but seems he doesn't do it still - pick the ball up deep and run at defenders.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 18:50:40 GMT 1
One of his first goals for us was after he ran with the ball for 20 yards before scoring in the top corner from 30 yards. He rarely did that again for us. I used to think Parky coached it out of him but seems he doesn't do it still - pick the ball up deep and run at defenders. That's what I thought he would be doing when he signed for us. He tries but he can't get turned and past defenders. Rhodes couldn't do that either - but he has other skills!
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 31, 2015 19:04:46 GMT 1
I don't rate Wells at all and at best he is only average. Not good enough for this division by a long way.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2015 19:08:09 GMT 1
I don't rate Wells at all and at best he is only average. Not good enough for this division by a long way. And he's the best we've got Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 31, 2015 19:10:52 GMT 1
Wells should be cleaning out Miller's stable at Ponderosa
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 31, 2015 19:14:15 GMT 1
HE might have cost 1/8th of Jordans price and he is about 1/8th the player. Never seems to look and shoot around the box because he's lost the bloody ball Pawel Abbott was miles better than him
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