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Post by cecerececerececere on Aug 29, 2015 19:27:25 GMT 1
Blackburn, Brighton and QPR...all teams with big ambitions/wage bills but showed against us that they are nothing special and in my eyes with a more positive outlook we should have got 7 points from those games.
Why are we so timid? Time to take the handbrake off Mr Powell!
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Post by klc on Aug 29, 2015 21:08:06 GMT 1
He was trying to beat clarks unbeaten run, hope he doesn't try again. .
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Post by joshuajones on Aug 31, 2015 9:33:18 GMT 1
I hope CP takes the shackles off the team at some point because if he doesn't it will ultimately cost him his job. When I looked at the fixtures at the start of the season I thought August was a good month and we would easily have 7 points on the board minimally.
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Post by jim59 on Aug 31, 2015 9:40:57 GMT 1
Problem is we may be in a big hole by the time he realises. Perhaps he is trying to manage too much rather than just picking a team and letting them play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 9:57:27 GMT 1
Blackburn, Brighton and QPR...all teams with big ambitions/wage bills but showed against us that they are nothing special and in my eyes with a more positive outlook we should have got 7 points from those games. Why are we so timid? Time to take the handbrake off Mr Powell! The club is what it is, the owner and CEO repeatedly tell us we will struggle BECAUSE we cant compete financially with these clubs. Ergo we will struggle. We are what we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:01:02 GMT 1
I hope CP takes the shackles off the team at some point because if he doesn't it will ultimately cost him his job. When I looked at the fixtures at the start of the season I thought August was a good month and we would easily have 7 points on the board minimally. Interesting, I did same and I thought somewhere between 1 and 4 for August. September outlook I gave 6 to 9. Now we cant change August, lets hope I continue to be more accurate than you!!? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2015 10:02:56 GMT 1
Our next two games, Cardiif away and Bolton at home, I guess a point would be ok at Cardiff but Bolton are clearly struggling and MUST be beaten, we must go positive in that game win and win well. If he doesn't go positive against Bolton, we're fooked and it's going to be one long slog until May.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 10:03:00 GMT 1
Blackburn, Brighton and QPR...all teams with big ambitions/wage bills but showed against us that they are nothing special and in my eyes with a more positive outlook we should have got 7 points from those games. Why are we so timid? Time to take the handbrake off Mr Powell! The club is what it is, the owner and CEO repeatedly tell us we will struggle BECAUSE we cant compete financially with these clubs. Ergo we will struggle. We are what we are. we can't compete financially... Fact.. That doesn't mean we have or should have any inferiority complex, and I don't think we do.. But if we aren't burning up the league then ifinances are the most likely factor.. I can't see anyone from the club saying we can't compete on the pitch, or that we can't progress up the league.. I think that's invented .. So not sure where you get " the club tell us we will struggle therefore we will struggle" from ? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2015 10:06:36 GMT 1
The club is what it is, the owner and CEO repeatedly tell us we will struggle BECAUSE we cant compete financially with these clubs. Ergo we will struggle. We are what we are. we can't compete financially... Fact.. That doesn't mean we have or should have any inferiority complex, and I don't think we do.. But if we aren't burning up the league then ifinances are the most likely factor.. I can't see anyone from the club saying we can't compete on the pitch, or that we can't progress up the league.. I think that's invented .. So not sure where you get " the club tell us we will struggle therefore we will struggle" from ? It's not said, it's implied, said it before the cubs mindset is all wrong and the club has always been happy with mediocrity, it's ingrained within the club. I know you don't agree but since our last top flight appearance its mainly been mediocre all the way. |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 10:08:20 GMT 1
We are losing playing defensive so why not play attacking and lose?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 10:09:14 GMT 1
we can't compete financially... Fact.. That doesn't mean we have or should have any inferiority complex, and I don't think we do.. But if we aren't burning up the league then ifinances are the most likely factor.. I can't see anyone from the club saying we can't compete on the pitch, or that we can't progress up the league.. I think that's invented .. So not sure where you get " the club tell us we will struggle therefore we will struggle" from ? It's not said, it's implied, said it before the cubs mindset is all wrong and the club has always been happy with mediocrity, it's ingrained within the club. I know you don't agree but since our last top flight appearance its mainly been mediocre all the way. " implied" lol In your opinion |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2015 10:17:58 GMT 1
It's not said, it's implied, said it before the cubs mindset is all wrong and the club has always been happy with mediocrity, it's ingrained within the club. I know you don't agree but since our last top flight appearance its mainly been mediocre all the way. " implied" lol In your opinion No automatic promotion in 30 years, no cup quarter final appearances in my lifetime, no Premier League appearance, no forays into Europe......all this kind of thing has become the norm and is accepted as being out of reach.....I'm telling you the clubs mindset is all wrong. Compare us to clubs like Stoke, Swansea, Birmingham and Hull, all in the lower leagues with us and all unfortunately have sadly passed us by, all playing in Europe, all playing in major cup finals two of them winning a trophy and all had spells in the Premier League, some of them lengthy spells too. Town's mindset is all wrong, it's ingrained within the club, it permeates every strand of the club. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:28:50 GMT 1
Our next two games, Cardiif away and Bolton at home, I guess a point would be ok at Cardiff but Bolton are clearly struggling and MUST be beaten, we must go positive in that game win and win well. If he doesn't go positive against Bolton, we're fooked and it's going to be one long slog until May. Aren't our next two games at Cardiff and Charlton? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 10:28:51 GMT 1
In your opinion .. which is wrong
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2015 10:29:59 GMT 1
Our next two games, Cardiif away and Bolton at home, I guess a point would be ok at Cardiff but Bolton are clearly struggling and MUST be beaten, we must go positive in that game win and win well. If he doesn't go positive against Bolton, we're fooked and it's going to be one long slog until May. Aren't out next two games at Cardiff and Charlton? Oh yeah, the Charlton game is on the Tuesday forgot about that one. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2015 10:33:41 GMT 1
In your opinion .. which is wrong Unfortunately....it's not or this club would have had all them things I mentioned yonks ago. Why do you think crowds don't increase, I've talked to loads of people who stopped going and they all say they stopped going because the club show no ambition and are happy to tread water.....like we are doing now. Actions speak louder than words. |
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Post by rocky on Aug 31, 2015 10:46:57 GMT 1
we can't compete financially... Fact.. That doesn't mean we have or should have any inferiority complex, and I don't think we do.. But if we aren't burning up the league then ifinances are the most likely factor.. I can't see anyone from the club saying we can't compete on the pitch, or that we can't progress up the league.. I think that's invented .. So not sure where you get " the club tell us we will struggle therefore we will struggle" from ? It's not said, it's implied, said it before the cubs mindset is all wrong and the club has always been happy with mediocrity, it's ingrained within the club. I know you don't agree but since our last top flight appearance its mainly been mediocre all the way.
Sorry mate, it is not implied, that's your take on it, which is wrong.
The simple fact is that we cannot compete financially with the bulk of the clubs in the Championship, but that doesn't mean we can't compete & the club have outlined on numerous occasions how they do try to compete. No-one at the club has said 'we'll struggle' or anything like that & I hate it when people make stuff up to justify their own view.
We constantly disagree on this issue & I constantly ask you what the solution is, yet you don't come up with one. The reason for that is because their isn't one. What you have said is that you want the club to 'roll the dice', which can only mean spend more. DH has said that's not possible, so calling for something that's not possible is just a waste of time.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 11:27:04 GMT 1
It's doesn't seem to be in Powells make up to send the team out all guns blazing, it's always going to be try and keep it tight and nick a goal. Trouble is we aren't that good at keeping it tight and nicking a goal all in the same game.
Would love to see us be a bit more positive but I just don't think the management team have the belief that playing that way would be successful with the players we've got. Don't think that will get enough wins on the board to keep us up.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 12:57:17 GMT 1
It's doesn't seem to be in Powells make up to send the team out all guns blazing, it's always going to be try and keep it tight and nick a goal. Trouble is we aren't that good at keeping it tight and nicking a goal all in the same game. Would love to see us be a bit more positive but I just don't think the management team have the belief that playing that way would be successful with the players we've got. Don't think that will get enough wins on the board to keep us up. How do you actually go out all guns blazing? Have any teams gone out against us all guns blazing this season? I see all the team giving it 100% - should they give it 120% or do you think they are only giving it 80%? I've not seen any teams on the telly go out all guns blazing this season? Great win for Palace at Chelsea and West Ham at Liverpool. Man City v Watford. Swansea v Man United. Didn't really see any of these winning teams with all guns blazing or committing loads of players forward? Who would you like us to be emulating and in what system? To improve significantly from what we are now - we need better and quicker players in a few key positions. |
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 13:01:21 GMT 1
Not playing 2 holding midfielders at home would be a start, big difference in the games you describe are teams capable of attacking at pace with the midfield getting up to support the attack.
Our counter attacking involves giving it to Scannell then standing and watching or bombing up a six foot target man who in the either throws himself on the floor or ducks !!!
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 13:04:35 GMT 1
It's doesn't seem to be in Powells make up to send the team out all guns blazing, it's always going to be try and keep it tight and nick a goal. Trouble is we aren't that good at keeping it tight and nicking a goal all in the same game. Would love to see us be a bit more positive but I just don't think the management team have the belief that playing that way would be successful with the players we've got. Don't think that will get enough wins on the board to keep us up. How do you actually go out all guns blazing? Have any teams gone out against us all guns blazing this season? I see all the team giving it 100% - should they give it 120% or do you think they are only giving it 80%? I've not seen any teams on the telly go out all guns blazing this season? Great win for Palace at Chelsea and West Ham at Liverpool. Man City v Watford. Swansea v Man United. Didn't really see any of these winning teams with all guns blazing or committing loads of players forward? Who would you like us to be emulating and in what system? To improve significantly from what we are now - we need better and quicker players in a few key positions.How long has that been the case ? Since last season and the only thing we've done about it is sell a couple of our better players and replace them with ones who aren't deemed ready for the 1st team. |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 13:22:30 GMT 1
If we sell butterfield for 5 million then coupled with the Smithies money I fail to see how money can be a factor for us not pushing on when the chairman stated any sales after Coady would go towards strengthening the squad.
7 million would without a shadow of a doubt allow us to buy the 2 or 3 players needed to push us on
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 13:42:32 GMT 1
If we sell butterfield for 5 million then coupled with the Smithies money I fail to see how money can be a factor for us not pushing on when the chairman stated any sales after Coady would go towards strengthening the squad. 7 million would without a shadow of a doubt allow us to buy the 2 or 3 players needed to push us on if butterfield goes it will be 3and a quarter million tops. get in thr real world |
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Post by terrierng on Aug 31, 2015 15:10:23 GMT 1
If we sell butterfield for 5 million then coupled with the Smithies money I fail to see how money can be a factor for us not pushing on when the chairman stated any sales after Coady would go towards strengthening the squad. 7 million would without a shadow of a doubt allow us to buy the 2 or 3 players needed to push us on if butterfield goes it will be 3and a quarter million tops. get in thr real world Thought we had turned down four bids,the last one being four mill? |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2015 15:20:52 GMT 1
If we sell butterfield for 5 million then coupled with the Smithies money I fail to see how money can be a factor for us not pushing on when the chairman stated any sales after Coady would go towards strengthening the squad. 7 million would without a shadow of a doubt allow us to buy the 2 or 3 players needed to push us on if butterfield goes it will be 3and a quarter million tops. get in thr real world Why ? Look at the England squad, would you swap Henderson, Delph or Shelvey for Butters cos I wouldn't so why is he worth peanuts which is what £3.25m is for a player with his ability Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 15:35:19 GMT 1
Not playing 2 holding midfielders at home would be a start, big difference in the games you describe are teams capable of attacking at pace with the midfield getting up to support the attack. Our counter attacking involves giving it to Scannell then standing and watching or bombing up a six foot target man who in the either throws himself on the floor or ducks !!! What you are saying is that its not the system or the way the manager has set them up - its the players. A few not quite good enough to take us forward at this level. Don't think many would disagree with that. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 15:44:05 GMT 1
How do you actually go out all guns blazing? Have any teams gone out against us all guns blazing this season? I see all the team giving it 100% - should they give it 120% or do you think they are only giving it 80%? I've not seen any teams on the telly go out all guns blazing this season? Great win for Palace at Chelsea and West Ham at Liverpool. Man City v Watford. Swansea v Man United. Didn't really see any of these winning teams with all guns blazing or committing loads of players forward? Who would you like us to be emulating and in what system? To improve significantly from what we are now - we need better and quicker players in a few key positions. Since last season and the only thing we've done about it is sell a couple of our better players and replace them with ones who aren't deemed ready for the 1st team. As a generalisation its always something you need to do! Specifically we need a couple of good strikers - right now! I agree with your general point that our football plan (the customers/fans football plan that is) doesn't seem to be aligned with our business plan. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 17:55:15 GMT 1
if butterfield goes it will be 3and a quarter million tops. get in thr real world Thought we had turned down four bids,the last one being four mill? Probably out of my depth here, but here goes - Do Boro have any sell-on clause? |
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Post by terrierng on Aug 31, 2015 17:56:53 GMT 1
Thought we had turned down four bids,the last one being four mill? Probably out of my depth here, but here goes - Do Boro have any sell-on clause? no idea pal |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 17:59:06 GMT 1
Would have thought so
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