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Post by floydy on Aug 31, 2015 11:21:14 GMT 1
Reading comments on here about Lolley and to a degree Dempsey I can't help but think some fans are wearing rose tinted glasses. IMy view is that both are well short of what is needed to be a trusted Championship player. In particular both have a tendency to lose possession in dangerous areas. Championship teams are ruthless at exploiting that situation. At this stage Chris Powell can't trust them 100% and I think he is right. A loan for Lolley makes sense. Dempsey will get some cameos and if he is as good as some think he will grow into the team perhaps next year. James Vaughan has been on balance positive for Town but time to get rid. Now when fit he looks less than average. lets trust the club we love to make the right decisions and support them instead of negative hysteria about everything that happens. The Championship is a tough old league for a club with barely 10k fans.
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Post by capitalterrier on Aug 31, 2015 11:25:02 GMT 1
Lolley is in his 3rd season with us. Time to be trusted with a run of games like others are at other clubs.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 31, 2015 11:27:29 GMT 1
Whenever Lolley plays he rips defences apart and rarely gets tackled. We need somebody like that in our team to make things happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 11:30:22 GMT 1
Lolley looked pretty good to me when he came on, on Sat. Dempsey imo, was our best player when he played in the cup match.
Bollocks to 'trust', Dean Whitehead is 'trusted' at this level and most of the time this season he's been pretty poor (although he was ok against QPR).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 11:33:44 GMT 1
If we judge whether players are allowed to play on their tendency to give the ball away then we would struggle to field 3 players never mind 11
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Post by terrierdrh on Aug 31, 2015 11:41:06 GMT 1
Floydy, totally agree with your assessment of both Lolley & Dempsey!
Any player who finds himself out of the starting 11, needs to take his chance when it's given to him - even if it's an 18 min sub appearance. Not for the 1st time on Saturday, Joe Lolley didn't take his chance. For me he looked lost & a loan move to a League 1 club is exactly what he needs.
It's a game of opinions but for me, on Saturday, Lolley certainly didn't 'rip the defence apart' - he was poor!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 11:49:27 GMT 1
Floydy, totally agree with your assessment of both Lolley & Dempsey! Any player who finds himself out of the starting 11, needs to take his chance when it's given to him - even if it's an 18 min sub appearance. Not for the 1st time on Saturday, Joe Lolley didn't take his chance. For me he looked lost & a loan move to a League 1 club is exactly what he needs. It's a game of opinions but for me, on Saturday, Lolley certainly didn't 'rip the defence apart' - he was poor! You could put Gareth Bale on the pitch in the Championship for the last 18 minutes of a game and I bet 7 times out of 10 he would do nothing. It's going to take 10 minutes just to get in to the game and then you've got 8 minutes to try and do something which relies massively on your team having the ball and getting it to your feet. Not to mention his team mates who had 90+ minutes and did the square root of fuck all going forward. Why do they deserve to start again the next game and not Lolley?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 31, 2015 11:53:39 GMT 1
I like the OP simply because it's of a neutral tone, unlike a lot of what goes on here now, even though I don't agree. When Lolley's started he's not been as good as people make out. His passing has often been poor, especially when it's anything beyond 10 yards, and like you say, he often loses the ball in dangerous places. However, you have to accept your flare players losing the ball trying to do the more difficult things, which entertain us and more importantly create chances. Get him on the pitch more and slap the person who shouts "back to basics" or "keep it simple" the first time he loses it
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2015 11:56:29 GMT 1
I like the OP simply because it's of a neutral tone, unlike a lot of what goes on here now, even though I don't agree. When Lolley's started he's not been as good as people make out. His passing has often been poor, especially when it's anything beyond 10 yards, and like you say, he often loses the ball in dangerous places. However, you have to accept your flare players losing the ball trying to do the more difficult things, which entertain us and more importantly create chances. Get him on the pitch more and slap the person who shouts "back to basics" or "keep it simple" the first time he loses it Can't get close enough to Powell to slap him ;D Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 11:59:38 GMT 1
Floydy, totally agree with your assessment of both Lolley & Dempsey! Any player who finds himself out of the starting 11, needs to take his chance when it's given to him - even if it's an 18 min sub appearance. Not for the 1st time on Saturday, Joe Lolley didn't take his chance. For me he looked lost & a loan move to a League 1 club is exactly what he needs. It's a game of opinions but for me, on Saturday, Lolley certainly didn't 'rip the defence apart' - he was poor! Thought he did as much "ripping" as anyone else in the team. With regards to the op - we have quite a lot of players who have a tendency to give the ball away in dangerous positions! Think I've seen all our defenders and all our midfielders do that at least once this season already. They aren't getting regular starts because Powell sees others as better than them at the moment and therefore picks them in front of Lolley and Dempsey - why wouldn't he and why wouldn't every manager do the same. You can only have 11 in the starting line up.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 31, 2015 12:18:10 GMT 1
get the ball in their half to lolley/scannell or any bastard else.. if they run forward and lose it there, so what..
stupid, pointless, go nowhere, sideways and backwards passing in our own half is costing us goals.
indecision is a killer for us.. play the ball sideways to a colleague move slightly forward to recieve the return, the ball is played sideways again or backwards and we give it away and then we are playing catch up..
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 31, 2015 12:21:26 GMT 1
As a Wells fan, I have to concede that Lolley looked more productive when he came on.
Powell may have a decision to make here for the next match.
Would like to see Lolley more central though.
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Post by jongoalmachinenewby on Aug 31, 2015 12:31:06 GMT 1
I can not work out why Lolley hasn't been given a proper run in the starting 11. On the rare occasions when he's started he's performed brilliantly (Watford away, Brum away). Into his 3rd season with us now! Would like to see him up front with Wells. I'd love to see this starting 11:
Murphy smith, lynch, Hudson, Davidson Scannell, butterfield, Dempsey, bunn Wells, lolley
Probably more chance of mick Wadsworth making a shock return as new manager though.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 12:34:00 GMT 1
Don't think Lolley will ever get a run in the side unless there is an injury crisis. Powell will be looking to play Huws wide going by what he's said in the press when he's fit that will push Lolley further down the pecking order.
A strange one in that Lolley is one of the few players we have that runs at defenders and looks like he might make something happen yet he can't get a look into a team that creates so little.
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 12:35:03 GMT 1
Floydy, totally agree with your assessment of both Lolley & Dempsey! Any player who finds himself out of the starting 11, needs to take his chance when it's given to him - even if it's an 18 min sub appearance. Not for the 1st time on Saturday, Joe Lolley didn't take his chance. For me he looked lost & a loan move to a League 1 club is exactly what he needs. It's a game of opinions but for me, on Saturday, Lolley certainly didn't 'rip the defence apart' - he was poor! Did he bollocks look lost!!! He went in about 3 mazy runs where the ball stuck to his feet and the ex premier league defence of QPR couldn't get near him. He also made a few key interceptions and got into dangerous positions. Lost my arse
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Aug 31, 2015 12:46:21 GMT 1
If constantly losing the ball is a reason for not getting in the team then can someone explain why Wells is there?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:47:59 GMT 1
Floydy, totally agree with your assessment of both Lolley & Dempsey! Any player who finds himself out of the starting 11, needs to take his chance when it's given to him - even if it's an 18 min sub appearance. Not for the 1st time on Saturday, Joe Lolley didn't take his chance. For me he looked lost & a loan move to a League 1 club is exactly what he needs. It's a game of opinions but for me, on Saturday, Lolley certainly didn't 'rip the defence apart' - he was poor! Did he bollocks look lost!!! He went in about 3 mazy runs where the ball stuck to his feet and the ex premier league defence of QPR couldn't get near him. He also made a few key interceptions and got into dangerous positions. Lost my arse... to a Starship Trooper?
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Post by H7 on Aug 31, 2015 12:50:07 GMT 1
There's no doubt that Lolley has amazing potential, and I would be really annoyed if he was sold... But he still looks a bit raw when he plays, he needs to learn when to take on his man and when to play a safe pass, it's all about taking risks in the right area of the pitch, clearly at the moment Powell doesn't think he has 90 mins in him and if he does get loaned out and plays week in week out it could do him the world of good.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 31, 2015 12:53:58 GMT 1
There's no doubt that Lolley has amazing potential, and I would be really annoyed if he was sold... But he still looks a bit raw when he plays, he needs to learn when to take on his man and when to play a safe pass, it's all about taking risks in the right area of the pitch, clearly at the moment Powell doesn't think he has 90 mins in him and if he does get loaned out and plays week in week out it could do him the world of good. And with a record of 3 wins in 23 he'd be the man in the know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:56:39 GMT 1
In all honesty I think lolley is vastly over rated by many on here imo he isn't physically strong enough to have an impact in this division I also think his decision making and final ball is poor a lot of the time league 1 player in my eyes
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Post by H7 on Aug 31, 2015 13:00:53 GMT 1
There's no doubt that Lolley has amazing potential, and I would be really annoyed if he was sold... But he still looks a bit raw when he plays, he needs to learn when to take on his man and when to play a safe pass, it's all about taking risks in the right area of the pitch, clearly at the moment Powell doesn't think he has 90 mins in him and if he does get loaned out and plays week in week out it could do him the world of good. And with a record of 3 wins in 23 he'd be the man in the know. Irrelevant. My point is that (whatever Powell's record) he's the man that makes the decision on whether to play Lolley whether we like it or not.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 31, 2015 13:03:46 GMT 1
And with a record of 3 wins in 23 he'd be the man in the know. Irrelevant. My point is that (whatever Powell's record) he's the man that makes the decision on whether to play Lolley whether we like it or not. Well with that record he's obviously getting something wrong somewhere.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 13:20:15 GMT 1
In all honesty I think lolley is vastly over rated by many on here imo he isn't physically strong enough to have an impact in this division I also think his decision making and final ball is poor a lot of the time league 1 player in my eyes Will Hughes at Derby is one of the best midfielders in this division and he isn't exactly built like a brick shithouse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 13:37:18 GMT 1
There's no doubt that Lolley has amazing potential, and I would be really annoyed if he was sold... But he still looks a bit raw when he plays, he needs to learn when to take on his man and when to play a safe pass, it's all about taking risks in the right area of the pitch, clearly at the moment Powell doesn't think he has 90 mins in him and if he does get loaned out and plays week in week out it could do him the world of good. if he goes anywhere and its if i will be on loan
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Post by dosmellor on Aug 31, 2015 13:37:58 GMT 1
A lot of people are saying Lolley n Dempsey aren't ready for the championship but until they are given a decent run in the side we'll never know. We are crying out for a midfielder that will run beyond our strikers n Dempsey could or could not be that man but until he gets minutes on the pitch we'll never know n as for Lolley he's one player who when gets the ball gets the vast majority of fans are on their feet as they feel something is gunna happen plus not sure what his goals to start ratio is but i'm pretty sure it's very good.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 13:41:03 GMT 1
I'd love to know what lolley did wrong Saturday .. I swear in a parallel universe we've had Pele and Messi in our line up cos our fans have amazingly high expectations
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 13:54:14 GMT 1
Dempsey may not be ready yet.
Lolley is.
Play him.
Fed up of boring the opposition defences, let's give them something to worry about.
Miller falling over and Wells pointlessly running about with a haircut is league one.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2015 14:06:33 GMT 1
Dempsey may not be ready yet. Lolley is. Play him. Fed up of boring the opposition defences, let's give them something to worry about. Miller falling over and Wells pointlessly running about with a haircut is league one. Huh ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 14:08:33 GMT 1
In all honesty I think lolley is vastly over rated by many on here imo he isn't physically strong enough to have an impact in this division I also think his decision making and final ball is poor a lot of the time league 1 player in my eyes Will Hughes at Derby is one of the best midfielders in this division and he isn't exactly built like a brick shithouse. He's nothing like Lolley though. His quite a big lad with a good engine - dirty as well.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 14:14:50 GMT 1
A lot of people are saying Lolley n Dempsey aren't ready for the championship but until they are given a decent run in the side we'll never know. We are crying out for a midfielder that will run beyond our strikers n Dempsey could or could not be that man but until he gets minutes on the pitch we'll never know n as for Lolley he's one player who when gets the ball gets the vast majority of fans are on their feet as they feel something is gunna happen plus not sure what his goals to start ratio is but i'm pretty sure it's very good. Who is? That's a bit of a myth. Pretty rare to see midfielders running beyond strikers. Can't think of any teams who have players who do that. Enlighten me on who does that? Can't remember Bournemouth, Watford or Norwich doing much of that last season. Their midfielders get a few goals like Butterfield does but I don't see them belting past the centre forward. I'd like to see Dempsey given a go though to see whether if he can affect a game at this level.
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