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Aug 31, 2015 14:16:43 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 14:16:43 GMT 1
Dempsey may not be ready yet. Lolley is. Play him. Fed up of boring the opposition defences, let's give them something to worry about. Miller falling over and Wells pointlessly running about with a haircut is league one. Huh ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Some twonk near me on Sat made a shouty comment towards Wells that football isnt about a nice haircut after Wells miss-hit a Scannell cross to such a degree that the ball ended up behind him... ... Has he done/said something hair related?? He looks to have a pretty standard/cheap style doesn't he.. Nothing overly pretentious looking about it?!
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Aug 31, 2015 14:19:53 GMT 1
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 31, 2015 14:19:53 GMT 1
It's a shame scannell can't play off the left. If he was as effective there as he is off the right Lolley would be starting plenty of games.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 14:23:36 GMT 1
It's a shame scannell can't play off the left. If he was as effective there as he is off the right Lolley would be starting plenty of games. That's a good point and would be a good way to get Lolley a start. Might be as much to do with the balance of who is the full back behind him though. I think Scannell is pretty good on the left though. When he is on the right - he is not really devastating with his right foot when he gets beyond defenders.
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 31, 2015 14:54:50 GMT 1
I called it the other day, our best 2 players Scannell and Butterfield. Lolley and Dempsey play in the exact same positions.
I understand that is why the young lads don't start but my argument would be to bring them on as subs and bring them on earlier and that way in the case of Scannell and his hamstrings we'd be less afraid to give him some rest now and again.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 14:57:54 GMT 1
I called it the other day, our best 2 players Scannell and Butterfield. Lolley and Dempsey play in the exact same positions. I understand that is why the young lads don't start but my argument would be to bring them on as subs and bring them on earlier and that way in the case of Scannell and his hamstrings we'd be less afraid to give him some rest now and again. Unfortunately when Dempsey has come on at Hull and Fulham he's either been forced or told to play deep.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2015 15:25:55 GMT 1
Huh ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Some twonk near me on Sat made a shouty comment towards Wells that football isnt about a nice haircut after Wells miss-hit a Scannell cross to such a degree that the ball ended up behind him... ... Has he done/said something hair related?? He looks to have a pretty standard/cheap style doesn't he.. Nothing overly pretentious looking about it?! Ok ta, it just got me wondering if you'd had a funny turn halfway through typing ;D Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 15:39:19 GMT 1
A lot of people are saying Lolley n Dempsey aren't ready for the championship but until they are given a decent run in the side we'll never know. We are crying out for a midfielder that will run beyond our strikers n Dempsey could or could not be that man but until he gets minutes on the pitch we'll never know n as for Lolley he's one player who when gets the ball gets the vast majority of fans are on their feet as they feel something is gunna happen plus not sure what his goals to start ratio is but i'm pretty sure it's very good. Who is? That's a bit of a myth. Pretty rare to see midfielders running beyond strikers. Can't think of any teams who have players who do that. Enlighten me on who does that? Can't remember Bournemouth, Watford or Norwich doing much of that last season. Their midfielders get a few goals like Butterfield does but I don't see them belting past the centre forward. I'd like to see Dempsey given a go though to see whether if he can affect a game at this level. That's because Bournemouth played 442 so you're unlikely to see the two pushing that far on. When you've got 3 in the middle like we have, one has to be pushing on to support the striker and it is something we rarely do
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 15:48:50 GMT 1
Who is? That's a bit of a myth. Pretty rare to see midfielders running beyond strikers. Can't think of any teams who have players who do that. Enlighten me on who does that? Can't remember Bournemouth, Watford or Norwich doing much of that last season. Their midfielders get a few goals like Butterfield does but I don't see them belting past the centre forward. I'd like to see Dempsey given a go though to see whether if he can affect a game at this level. That's because Bournemouth played 442 so you're unlikely to see the two pushing that far on. When you've got 3 in the middle like we have, one has to be pushing on to support the striker and it is something we rarely do Yebut - they used to drop their second striker back in to midfield. I swear that they were playing 2-7-1 most of last season - but they did it up and down the field as a unit. They either got a lot forward or a lot backward - or indeed - a lot in the middle.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 31, 2015 15:57:03 GMT 1
Reading comments on here about Lolley and to a degree Dempsey I can't help but think some fans are wearing rose tinted glasses. IMy view is that both are well short of what is needed to be a trusted Championship player. In particular both have a tendency to lose possession in dangerous areas. Championship teams are ruthless at exploiting that situation. At this stage Chris Powell can't trust them 100% and I think he is right. A loan for Lolley makes sense. Dempsey will get some cameos and if he is as good as some think he will grow into the team perhaps next year. James Vaughan has been on balance positive for Town but time to get rid. Now when fit he looks less than average. lets trust the club we love to make the right decisions and support them instead of negative hysteria about everything that happens. The Championship is a tough old league for a club with barely 10k fans. Hey there Chris Powell I hate the term "Happy Clapper" but fook me...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:32:10 GMT 1
That's because Bournemouth played 442 so you're unlikely to see the two pushing that far on. When you've got 3 in the middle like we have, one has to be pushing on to support the striker and it is something we rarely do Yebut - they used to drop their second striker back in to midfield. I swear that they were playing 2-7-1 most of last season - but they did it up and down the field as a unit. They either got a lot forward or a lot backward - or indeed - a lot in the middle. Excellent management/coaching combined with players who bought in to the philosophy and were desperate to improve. Quite a bit different to what seems to go on here
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 16:37:07 GMT 1
Yebut - they used to drop their second striker back in to midfield. I swear that they were playing 2-7-1 most of last season - but they did it up and down the field as a unit. They either got a lot forward or a lot backward - or indeed - a lot in the middle. Excellent management/coaching combined with players who bought in to the philosophy and were desperate to improve. Quite a bit different to what seems to go on hereYep - they managed to answer the $64,000 question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 17:45:58 GMT 1
Some twonk near me on Sat made a shouty comment towards Wells that football isnt about a nice haircut after Wells miss-hit a Scannell cross to such a degree that the ball ended up behind him... ... Has he done/said something hair related?? He looks to have a pretty standard/cheap style doesn't he.. Nothing overly pretentious looking about it?! Ok ta, it just got me wondering if you'd had a funny turn halfway through typing ;D Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards The poster you quoted may well have had a funny turn. Seems a strange coincidence will mentioned haircut and also twonk near me did (unless twonk was Will?!). So, I guess, will, what did your haircut reference mean?!
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2015 18:12:08 GMT 1
Ok ta, it just got me wondering if you'd had a funny turn halfway through typing ;D Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards The poster you quoted may well have had a funny turn. Seems a strange coincidence will mentioned haircut and also twonk near me did (unless twonk was Will?!). So, I guess, will, what did your haircut reference mean?! Sorry I never looked at the names, I just thought with you answering that it was your original post Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Aug 31, 2015 19:10:12 GMT 1
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Post by ACW on Aug 31, 2015 19:10:12 GMT 1
If we judge whether players are allowed to play on their tendency to give the ball away then we would struggle to field 3 players never mind 11 Aye, Hudson and Smith would never play Again!
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Post by terrierpark on Aug 31, 2015 19:19:10 GMT 1
Dempsey may not be ready yet. Lolley is. Play him. Fed up of boring the opposition defences, let's give them something to worry about. Miller falling over and Wells pointlessly running about with a haircut is league one.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:23:06 GMT 1
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Post by ACW on Aug 31, 2015 19:23:06 GMT 1
A lot of people are saying Lolley n Dempsey aren't ready for the championship but until they are given a decent run in the side we'll never know. We are crying out for a midfielder that will run beyond our strikers n Dempsey could or could not be that man but until he gets minutes on the pitch we'll never know n as for Lolley he's one player who when gets the ball gets the vast majority of fans are on their feet as they feel something is gunna happen plus not sure what his goals to start ratio is but i'm pretty sure it's very good. Who is? That's a bit of a myth. Pretty rare to see midfielders running beyond strikers. Can't think of any teams who have players who do that. Enlighten me on who does that? Can't remember Bournemouth, Watford or Norwich doing much of that last season. Their midfielders get a few goals like Butterfield does but I don't see them belting past the centre forward. I'd like to see Dempsey given a go though to see whether if he can affect a game at this level. Perhaps we don't need midfielders bombing past the strikers but it would be nice if occasionally they supported them. Butterfield apart our midfield seem loathe to offer meaningful support. It's no wonder we rely so heavily on Scanz and Butterfield for creativity and Wells for goals. I am not all gloom and doom and can see some of the positives, but I am really concerned about where our goals are coming from this season. It's great that we're competitive in most games and don't get thumped as often, but at some stage we need to start winning games and you need to score goals to do that. I can't see us scoring more than one a game at the moment. Hopefully the new lads will improve things and we can get some other players in. Something needs to change drastically or we may end up struggling at the wrong end of the league.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 21:03:11 GMT 1
Who is? That's a bit of a myth. Pretty rare to see midfielders running beyond strikers. Can't think of any teams who have players who do that. Enlighten me on who does that? Can't remember Bournemouth, Watford or Norwich doing much of that last season. Their midfielders get a few goals like Butterfield does but I don't see them belting past the centre forward. I'd like to see Dempsey given a go though to see whether if he can affect a game at this level. Perhaps we don't need midfielders bombing past the strikers but it would be nice if occasionally they supported them. Butterfield apart our midfield seem loathe to offer meaningful support. It's no wonder we rely so heavily on Scanz and Butterfield for creativity and Wells for goals. I am not all gloom and doom and can see some of the positives, but I am really concerned about where our goals are coming from this season. It's great that we're competitive in most games and don't get thumped as often, but at some stage we need to start winning games and you need to score goals to do that. I can't see us scoring more than one a game at the moment. Hopefully the new lads will improve things and we can get some other players in. Something needs to change drastically or we may end up struggling at the wrong end of the league. Can't disagree. Quality striker and some creative replacement for Butterfield a must.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 21:12:06 GMT 1
Feels like most fans still think of Lolley as a kid who needs easing in.
He's 23 now, Harry Bunn and Connor Coady are 22...
I get he's had a few injuries but he's good enough to get his chance to start once fully fit I think. He needs longer than just a ten minute cameo though to make an impact like he has several times when he's played for us.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Aug 31, 2015 21:29:10 GMT 1
Scannel was useless coming on for 20 mins every week as a sub, it was only when he got 90mins on a regular basis that he got his fitness up to the required level and from then he kicked on. Until Lolley starts regularly playing 90 mins then we will never know.
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