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Post by Giggity on Aug 31, 2015 13:11:25 GMT 1
Does Powell have any? I will be honest, I have never rated the bloke and wanted him out since the start of the year. What has he done to prove me wrong?
- 3 wins in 23 games - Dour football - Negative tactics - Negative team selections - Refusal to use substitutions to change a game - Refusal to promote youth
So go on then. List me some reasons why he should stay in charge? All I see are the same old excuses thrown about on here.
"Oh but they have four times our budget" "Oh but they were playing Premier League football last year"
It doesn't stop other teams giving themselves a chance of winning rather than conceding defeat and taking a damage limitation approach before the game has even kicked off.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 13:15:21 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman
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Post by Giggity on Aug 31, 2015 13:21:45 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman Change is sometimes required. We will have been relegated if we didn't sack Grayson and Robins when we did. Form suggests Powell is taking us down...
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Post by Wingman on Aug 31, 2015 13:22:01 GMT 1
Giggity, who do you think is out there to do a better job?!
Powell is working within FFP and under firm rules from the board. OK results are not great but he is surely not far off that turning round. He has cleared a lot of deadwood too.
So yes he does have some brass to spend but I can imagine you and many others complaining he has spunked it up the wall on whoever he signs; he can't win for some people.
I wonder if the Bolton fans are still enjoying the aura of Neil Lennon? Could've been worse...
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Post by AndySk on Aug 31, 2015 13:21:39 GMT 1
I'd take any one of Robins, Clark or Grayson back over Powell. And i thought it was the right time for them to go when they did
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 13:25:04 GMT 1
I agree he's far from pulling any trees up but the last 4 managers have all followed the same pattern so you'd have to think the problem is a bit more deep seated than the manager.
As for redeeming features I'd say he seems like a thoroughly decent and intelligent fella. Sadly that doesn't make you a good manager.
With hindsight I think Mark Warburton would have been a good appointment for us.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 13:30:22 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman Change is sometimes required. We will have been relegated if we didn't sack Grayson and Robins when we did. Form suggests Powell is taking us down... I honestly think that's more about finances than about his managerial acumen .. I think he's done an Ok job .. though he wouldn't have been my choice .. I'm not sure he's bright enough .. and also not ambitious enough on the pitch.. but it's shades of grey.. he's solidified us and it appears he is a good man manager .. so I'm not going to crucify him .. and I don't think changing the manager would necessarily help matters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 13:30:48 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman Bloody useless that Chapman. Glad he fucked off to Arsenal. And don't get me started on Mick Buxton!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 13:31:56 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman Bloody useless that Chapman. Glad he fucked off to Arsenal. And don't get me started on Mick Buxton! Yeah he was a right miserable nookie bear lookalike
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Post by rocky on Aug 31, 2015 13:35:14 GMT 1
I'd take any one of Robins, Clark or Grayson back over Powell. And i thought it was the right time for them to go when they did 4 managers listed there Andy - 3 of whom haven't been able to get us out of the Championship's bottom half, plus one that couldn't even get us out of the division below. We could have another 4 managers & still be no better off. Wingman makes a very good point about Lennon at Bolton. For me, that's indicative of a bigger problem - the one that the likes of Giggity suggests doesn't even exist.
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Post by AndySk on Aug 31, 2015 13:39:23 GMT 1
I'd take any one of Robins, Clark or Grayson back over Powell. And i thought it was the right time for them to go when they did 4 managers listed there Andy - 3 of whom haven't been able to get us out of the Championship's bottom half, plus one that couldn't even get us out of the division below. We could have another 4 managers & still be no better off. Wingman makes a very good point about Lennon at Bolton. For me, that's indicative of a bigger problem - the one that the likes of Giggity suggests doesn't even exist. Yep cant argue with that tbf. Still think Powell is a poor manager for us tho
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Post by impact on Aug 31, 2015 13:40:51 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman I wanted both Clark and Robins to stay but want Powell to go. Clark's been done to death so comparing with Robins, at least he had a style of play and was trying to get us to play football. Boring at times and possession for possession's sake but at least we had some sort of identity. With Powell it's negative, men behind the ball before hoofing it up to a big man or giving it to Scannell and hoping for the best.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 31, 2015 13:41:58 GMT 1
Not many were calling for Clark's sacking although the football had become a bit tedious, the same could be said of Grayson, but in each case Hoyle made the decision at the right time. Powell has to start winning some games pretty damn quick otherwise he'll be going the same way. What I can't understand about him is that when the pressure was off towards the end of last season we started to play some good stuff & created loads of chances. Now, instead of carrying that style & momentum into the new season he's gone back to square one again. He's doing himself no favours with this over cautious approach again.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 31, 2015 13:45:50 GMT 1
I'd definitely like to see Powell change his approach a little and he has to be concerned with his record (and not the bullshit 23 where you can make it look even worse).
However:
-The football is not ad bad as suggested. It's certainly nothing like Grayson's hoof it down the channels and chase it.
-We aren't being comprehensively outplayed.
-Powell's having to cope with sales, unlike the aforementioned that were generally acquiring.
Some of the biggest critics on here never commit to anything, just talk bloody obvious theory. Let's here some suggestions.
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Post by wtd on Aug 31, 2015 13:47:26 GMT 1
Does Powell have any? I will be honest, I have never rated the bloke and wanted him out since the start of the year. What has he done to prove me wrong? - 3 wins in 23 games - Dour football - Negative tactics - Negative team selections - Refusal to use substitutions to change a game - Refusal to promote youth So go on then. List me some reasons why he should stay in charge? All I see are the same old excuses thrown about on here. "Oh but they have four times our budget" "Oh but they were playing Premier League football last year" It doesn't stop other teams giving themselves a chance of winning rather than conceding defeat and taking a damage limitation approach before the game has even kicked off. Really!!? You should have said!
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Post by Giggity on Aug 31, 2015 13:54:52 GMT 1
I'd take any one of Robins, Clark or Grayson back over Powell. And i thought it was the right time for them to go when they did 4 managers listed there Andy - 3 of whom haven't been able to get us out of the Championship's bottom half, plus one that couldn't even get us out of the division below. We could have another 4 managers & still be no better off. Wingman makes a very good point about Lennon at Bolton. For me, that's indicative of a bigger problem - the one that the likes of Giggity suggests doesn't even exist. For me, Powell is not a thinker. He lacks the intelligence to take the initiative and give the opposition something to worry about. Instead, his priority is to combat the opposition. It's no surprise that we are always on the back foot and lack options going forward. We set up to limit the opposition's attacking threat. What we need is a manager with a fixed and positive approach. Someone who will implement a balanced formation with appropriate tactics and personnel. Not a manager who insists on playing two holding midfielders, a 9 stone centre forward and a unadventurous right back in a lopsided 4231 formation.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2015 13:55:35 GMT 1
Does Powell have any? I will be honest, I have never rated the bloke and wanted him out since the start of the year. What has he done to prove me wrong? - 3 wins in 23 games - Dour football - Negative tactics - Negative team selections - Refusal to use substitutions to change a game - Refusal to promote youth So go on then. List me some reasons why he should stay in charge? All I see are the same old excuses thrown about on here. "Oh but they have four times our budget" "Oh but they were playing Premier League football last year" It doesn't stop other teams giving themselves a chance of winning rather than conceding defeat and taking a damage limitation approach before the game has even kicked off. He was less negative than the QPR manager on Saturday? Your last sentence was exactly what the ex Premier League team did on Saturday. Had all three subs on before QPR had any on (two of them forced mind you and arguably the third of them was the wrong one)?
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Aug 31, 2015 13:58:03 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman Completely wrong and a made up comment to justify a point. When Powell was appointed I didn't get it - he had Charton down the bottom for a reason - crap football. Robins - who wasn't baying for him to leave - if you weren't you should go watch netball. Clueless. Grayson - of course he had to go, if he didn't we were 100% relegated. Clark - liked the guy, liked his football, but he had his chances to get us up and it was time to freshen things up. It worked. So your comment has no foundation Powell is boring, poor football, no ambition. He speaks like a man who is happy to just be in work. If he stays we go down in my opinion. I wouldn't have appointed him in the first place - bonkers decision. And before you ask I would have got rid at the end of the season and got Warburton on a deal before the season ended.
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Post by portugalterrier on Aug 31, 2015 14:05:41 GMT 1
You fail to take into account the player sales and lack of spending Powell had to manage at Charlton,however your lack of facts allow you to make a judgement,typical for DATM.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 14:07:27 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman Completely wrong and a made up comment to justify a point. When Powell was appointed I didn't get it - he had Charton down the bottom for a reason - crap football. Robins - who wasn't baying for him to leave - if you weren't you should go watch netball. Clueless. Grayson - of course he had to go, if he didn't we were 100% relegated. Clark - liked the guy, liked his football, but he had his chances to get us up and it was time to freshen things up. It worked. So your comment has no foundation Powell is boring, poor football, no ambition. He speaks like a man who is happy to just be in work. If he stays we go down in my opinion. I wouldn't have appointed him in the first place - bonkers decision. And before you ask I would have got rid at the end of the season and got Warburton on a deal before the season ended. That's a funny post
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 31, 2015 14:17:58 GMT 1
Have to say I agree with Jimmy there, word for word.
The only difference being I was happy to give Powell a chance. I also think he could turn it around if he got a little braver.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 31, 2015 15:00:21 GMT 1
Have to say I agree with Jimmy there, word for word. The only difference being I was happy to give Powell a chance. I also think he could turn it around if he got a little braver. I wish he would go back to the style of football we played towards the back end of the season, shows he's got it in him to get us playing some decent stuff. Something's got to change because as it stands I can't see where the first win is coming from.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 31, 2015 15:10:28 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman the above was ok but you went a bit daft naming Chapman.. Robins lost everything, the fans , the players and even though dean says not it would not have been long for him to be alienated. Grayson appeared to lose the plot and the players. Lee Clark would probably have blown it again if he stayed. Managers have a shelf life at virtually all football clubs, we have gone through a few recently but for the actual reasons they left you had better ask Dean because he hires em.. Dean being the one man saviour of the club etc, has hired and fired this lot(Robins aside)...it seems to be forgotten in all the furore about 'negative supporters' and it being mainly our fault that we are not doing better? not one single player was bought or sold by the supporters and we didnt fix any of the wages or contract lengths, neither do we pick the team or decide on the tactics.. It does make me smile or possibly grimace when posters tell us all that the club is great and on course for something(although other than being debt free-which wont happen unless Dean writes a shitload off) the actual target is covered by 'progress' which ignores the rising debt and a handful of wins in the last few months..
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Post by townatheart on Aug 31, 2015 15:16:59 GMT 1
I'd take any one of Robins, Clark or Grayson back over Powell. And i thought it was the right time for them to go when they did 4 managers listed there Andy - 3 of whom haven't been able to get us out of the Championship's bottom half, plus one that couldn't even get us out of the division below. We could have another 4 managers & still be no better off. Wingman makes a very good point about Lennon at Bolton. For me, that's indicative of a bigger problem - the one that the likes of Giggity suggests doesn't even exist. How can you say that ---- the likes of giggity knows all!!!
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 31, 2015 15:18:21 GMT 1
I'd take any one of Robins, Clark or Grayson back over Powell. And i thought it was the right time for them to go when they did This post typifies why you cannot go swapping and changing mangers willy nilly
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Aug 31, 2015 15:27:10 GMT 1
You fail to take into account the player sales and lack of spending Powell had to manage at Charlton,however your lack of facts allow you to make a judgement,typical for DATM. I see lots of facts in your response - typical for DATM...... Always excuses, excuses I know the new owner at Chalton was a nutter who brought his own players in, players Powell refused to play and ultimately they fell out and he was sacked. However the new owner didnt come in until January of that season - and by then Charlton were already shit. But ok going along with your point which has no substance as all clubs sells players - who did they sell that you deem so critical? We've got rid of our number 1 keeper and Coady - maybe Butters going to - so we need a manager who can rally a team that has lost quality, if that's your argument as to why he did crap at Charlton that season he will suffer the same fate here surely. So on your point we also suffer from a lack of investment and we've had players leave - so we need a manager who can motivate a team after good players leave - something according to you he has clearly shown he can't do.
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Aug 31, 2015 15:27:58 GMT 1
I'd take any one of Robins, Clark or Grayson back over Powell. And i thought it was the right time for them to go when they did This post typifies why you cannot go swapping and changing mangers willy nilly So what about sacking Towns coach, this guy must be one of the worst coaches I can remember. If Hoyle can sack Robins entire backroom staff this joker can go too
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Post by COWleySHED on Aug 31, 2015 15:29:02 GMT 1
clark should never have been sacked Grayson did well in the playoffs but was never the right man for our club robins lost it at Charlton at home in cup and from there was a downward spiral he should of gone at the end of the season powell is doing a decent job in hard circumstances and he certainly deserves more time
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2015 15:31:01 GMT 1
Hoyle has gone on record as saying that Powell doesn't think he has the players to play attacking football, which is bollocks, if he thinks that he's in the wrong job. We have plenty of players to play attacking football but he's just bot utilising them in a proper attacking formation or style. I personally don't want to see him sacked but he does need to frame himself, a lot of the stuff levelled at him is justified but I guarantee if he is sacked, we will just appointment the same uninspiring and clueless manager as we have done the last 3 times. Hoyle is unable to pick a decent manager at 40 paces, anyone will agree with his 'philosophy' to get the job.
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Post by wtd on Aug 31, 2015 15:34:32 GMT 1
The thing about all them baying for Powell to leave .. is that the same ones were baying for robins to leave.. and Grayson.. and Clark..and ternant.. and probably would have been dissing Herbert Chapman Completely wrong and a made up comment to justify a point. When Powell was appointed I didn't get it - he had Charton down the bottom for a reason - crap football. Robins - who wasn't baying for him to leave - if you weren't you should go watch netball. Clueless. Grayson - of course he had to go, if he didn't we were 100% relegated. Clark - liked the guy, liked his football, but he had his chances to get us up and it was time to freshen things up. It worked. So your comment has no foundation Powell is boring, poor football, no ambition. He speaks like a man who is happy to just be in work. If he stays we go down in my opinion.I wouldn't have appointed him in the first place - bonkers decision. And before you ask I would have got rid at the end of the season and got Warburton on a deal before the season ended. So you were/are wanting them all to leave, then ( with a bit of baying thrown in)?
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