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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 1, 2015 20:47:23 GMT 1
I presume 3pipe that taking a line of my post out of context so that it implies the opposite of what I said was meant to be hilarious, rather than anything else. I suppose I should be pleased that it didn't contain the swearing and personal insults that so many posts on this board nowadays have but it was perhaps a smidgeon childish . When I mean something to be hilarious, don't worry you'll know about it. I was simply responding to that line, the rest of your post was the usual 'party line', carefully written, not going to pull up any trees. So yea, not implying anything or trying to be anything or attempting to take something out of context. Simply a response to one part of quite a dull, run of the mill, toe the party line ramble. Ask yourself what percentage of this summer's transfer revenue has been reinvested and you'll see why some can believe we're tightening the purse strings ready for L1. All the signs are there.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 1, 2015 20:47:11 GMT 1
I hate these 'we're preparing for League 1' comments. Absolutely BS!!! Deano wants To finish around 10th this year and would always love a crack at the Prem. I'm as disappointed as anyone with regards to today - but trust in Deano! He will be as disappointed as us all to loose JB. My guy thought is that he is still unsure about Powell himself, the players we have currently are still better than being a bottom 3 team. The problem lies with CP and his negative tactics, and I think Deano is starting to think this also. Save the money for Jan in which that time we will see if Powell changes his approach - if he does he can have a chance to spend. Or if he carries on as we are he will be gone and a more attacking manager who will bring out results will get the chance. We have the players to still finish mid-table IMO - they are just not getting used right...at all!! Hope your right, we could need Ronnie O'Sullivan by January when we need snookers Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by wigster on Sept 1, 2015 20:47:54 GMT 1
I'm as disappointed as anybody about the sale of Butterfield, not so much Hammill, and I'd be happy if we could get Vaughan's wages off our balance sheet - but I do have to say that the reactions of a small, but growing, minority on here is very poor and a tad immature "I want it and I want it NOW !" We've had everything from Hoyle has given up, we're selling the family silver, we're planning for Division 1,and even the suggestion that Dean Hoyle doesn't care anymore and lies to supporters.I've not seen a shred of evidence for any of this, other than that Mr Hoyle won't splash out another £10 million of his own money I'm not going to go in to the well-documented factual bit about how much Dean Hoyle has personally done for this club - that's been explained numerous times before - but I'd merely like to say that when he says that the money will be re-invested in the club I believe him totally. I'm old enough to have supported Town under numerous Chairmen, some of whom I wouldn't dream of believing, but when Dean Hoyle says that he is trying to do the best for Town - and that money will be spent - I'm more than happy to trust him. The fact that we seemingly haven't bought a big name today does not mean that we're not working really hard to get the players in - yes, we may have to wait for the loan window to open but we've got weeks before our next match. We could have sold Butterfield a few weeks ago apparently, and that would have given us more time, but I suspect Huddersfield Town got a lot more for him by holding out. In the end as supporters we make a choice - you can either believe that we won't be bringing people in and are planning for relegation or you can be patient, admittedly harder, and wait to see what happens. Whatever you decide I don't really see the need for the vitriol and incredibly childish rubbish that has been aimed at Dean Hoyle. I sometimes think that some of the negative stuff that is so prevalent on this board says so much more about the authors than it does about the club. So what do you think is going to happen to the £8m the club has just made by selling our most valuable assets? It certainly isn't getting invested back into the team and that's no accident. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter how blinkered. How on earth do you know it's not going to be invested back in to the team, or do you mean it hasn't been invested back TODAY ? It may not suit the masochistic mood but could we not wait till the next match at least to see what happens ? We've had more incoming transfers under Dean Hoyle, more money spent, than under any previous chairman. What do you think is going to happen to the £8m ? Do you think Dean Hoyle will ever get even a quarter of the money back that he's given the club - unless we get in the Premiership ?
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Post by detox on Sept 1, 2015 20:48:51 GMT 1
It's been like pulling a Xmas cracker only to find no gift in it...........
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 1, 2015 20:49:34 GMT 1
I think you will find moral is very high at the moment,if Vaughan changes his attitude it will get even better. source??? for the high morale...
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 1, 2015 20:50:00 GMT 1
So what do you think is going to happen to the £8m the club has just made by selling our most valuable assets? It certainly isn't getting invested back into the team and that's no accident. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter how blinkered. How on earth do you know it's not going to be invested back in to the team, or do you mean it hasn't been invested back TODAY ? It may not suit the masochistic mood but could we not wait till the next match at least to see what happens ? We've had more incoming transfers under Dean Hoyle, more money spent, than under any previous chairman. What do you think is going to happen to the £8m ? Do you think Dean Hoyle will ever get even a quarter of the money back that he's given the club - unless we get in the Premiership ? Trouble is as it wasn't invested today, it can't be invested properly til January and it could be too late by then Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 1, 2015 20:50:07 GMT 1
unless we get in the Premiership Which isn't going to happen when you keep flogging off any players who show a bit of ability.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2015 20:51:57 GMT 1
On that i agree with you. Paterson seems a strange addition when on one hand we are already strong in wide areas and on the other we are so obviously weak in others, like centre back and striker. Im going to give a lot of DATM a miss for a few days because I know it will be full of melodramatic tantrums and a lot of woe-is-me nonsense. On the sale of butterfield- we've got an amazingly good price for a player who was insisting he leaves. Anyone who thinks £4m isn't a great price for JB is deluding themselves IMO. We bought him for £300k a year ago- hes pretty much the same player he was then. He plays in a side that gets slaughtered for its lack of creativity when he is the main player responsible for creativity. Yet £4m isn't enough??!! If I had to value him id have said £1.5m to £2m would be a cracking price and 5 times + what we paid for him. To get THIRTEEN times what we paid for him is incredible IMO. But its disappointing we haven't brought in a permanent replacement. Maybe we'll have to use more loans or wait until january. End of the day I think its best to look at things in a pragmatic and honest way. Don't sugar coat things and don't make things out to be worse than they are. The OP is right about it being about trust. Trust between the club and the fans. IMO the fans will get the club they deserve ( and when i say fans- I mean everyone in this area who would call HTFC their club if asked- the 35000 that went to Old trafford for example). Maybe the club they deserve is a League 1 club? If there's a fan who doesn't deserve a league 1 club though, its our owner because hes personally paid for better than that. Hes also paid for better support than the drop in attendances weve been having ( because we don't win all the time now) and the constant negativity and moaning that fills social media and phone-ins. Thats where the 'trust' has been lost if its anywhere. I don't think we're planning for league 1 at all. I think we're planning to be a club where the owner doesn't have to spunk out £0.5m a month. Month after month, year after year. I can't blame him for that and I don't see a queue of others wanting to take his place in the 'chucking your money away whilst league positions improve and crowds fall' game. Im just going to enjoy being in this division whilst it lasts. Enjoy games and support the club ( or be a happy-clapper as its now known). As I said, we'll probably get the club we deserve eventually and it will be back in the Third tier, with a team worth nothing and malvin Kamara on a free being our big summer signing coup. But we'll be one of the bigger clubs and win a bit more often so maybe more people will be happy and enjoy it more? I'll certainly still be going as frankly thats the level Ive been most accustomed to whilst Ive been a town fan. I am sorry Cpt but I am going to disagree here. I would hope you acknowledge I have a history of presenting a rounded view but some of the "woe is me merchants" actually have a point. We are getting hung up on cash but we need to recognise that there are serious concerns with regard to results, performances and direction (of the first team). When you add the lack of results from the academy it isn't surprising that the rounded loyal fans, like me, are questioning our strategy. Every time the progress debate surfaces there is a general spot with those defending DH and those criticising. The truth is usually in the middle but dismiss the more negative with the comment "we'll get the club we deserve" is s cheap cop out. People won't support a team they don't believe in, at the moment - for a variety of reasons - the floating fan doesn't believe in the team and won't pay to watch. That leaves the loyal ones like me who are essentially condemned to be told "well, what did you expect?...the fans aren't coming". This attitude simply isn't acceptable it's all the fans fault we haven't made the best use of the undoubted investment, it's all the fans fault that we haven't picked an outstanding manager and it's all the fans fault that the academy (which they support directly through patronising canalside, lotteries etc) hasn't produced. By all means disagree with the more negative, I know I have down the years, but right now some more than have a point and those don't expect more cash to be thrown at it but do expect more from the cash we have. To be told because we aren't all happy we are responsible isn't on and completely misses the point. I want to be positive but we are getting left behind, and maybe that's beyond DH's control, but don't blame me for saying I thin we can do better right now. Thats a fair comment. i don't have any issue with fans complaining about the value the club ( Dean in reality) gets for its money and id agree in many ways it could certainly be a lot better ( could be worse too mind!) . Im sure dean would agree with a lot of the frustrations. Your a fan who goes to games so IMO you aren't really who Im complaining about as being responsible for the break in trust. My beef is with the fans who persuade themselves its somehow dull now ( when its no duller than its ever been in truth) so they can use it as an excuse not to go or just the people of the area in general who call themselves Huddersfield fans but don't seem to want a championship club. I find it strange when people don't 'believe in this team', when its doing better than all the teams theyve seen for years who presumably they DID believe in. I was tal;king to a town fan mate last night who hasn't renewed because he 'got fed up of seeing us lose or draw so often'. I made the obvious point that thats because its a hell of a tougher standard in this division and like it or not, we are a small club at this level. he knew all that of course but just wants to see winning football-- a league 1 fan then. We have a lot of them. As for results and performances- football is very fine lines. I genuinely think we 'should' have 4 wins from our 5 games so far. Obviously we have issues that have stopped us getting the results our general performances warranted, but we've not been too far off IMO at all.
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 1, 2015 20:57:38 GMT 1
Like others, I am a little concerned about what's happening at Town, but I think Paterson could be a shrewd signing. With him playing behind Wells, Carayol on the left and Scannell on the right, we could cause teams some trouble if Powell would stop being so negative.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 1, 2015 20:57:50 GMT 1
I am sorry Cpt but I am going to disagree here. I would hope you acknowledge I have a history of presenting a rounded view but some of the "woe is me merchants" actually have a point. We are getting hung up on cash but we need to recognise that there are serious concerns with regard to results, performances and direction (of the first team). When you add the lack of results from the academy it isn't surprising that the rounded loyal fans, like me, are questioning our strategy. Every time the progress debate surfaces there is a general spot with those defending DH and those criticising. The truth is usually in the middle but dismiss the more negative with the comment "we'll get the club we deserve" is s cheap cop out. People won't support a team they don't believe in, at the moment - for a variety of reasons - the floating fan doesn't believe in the team and won't pay to watch. That leaves the loyal ones like me who are essentially condemned to be told "well, what did you expect?...the fans aren't coming". This attitude simply isn't acceptable it's all the fans fault we haven't made the best use of the undoubted investment, it's all the fans fault that we haven't picked an outstanding manager and it's all the fans fault that the academy (which they support directly through patronising canalside, lotteries etc) hasn't produced. By all means disagree with the more negative, I know I have down the years, but right now some more than have a point and those don't expect more cash to be thrown at it but do expect more from the cash we have. To be told because we aren't all happy we are responsible isn't on and completely misses the point. I want to be positive but we are getting left behind, and maybe that's beyond DH's control, but don't blame me for saying I thin we can do better right now. Thats a fair comment. i don't have any issue with fans complaining about the value the club ( Dean in reality) gets for its money and id agree in many ways it could certainly be a lot better ( could be worse too mind!) . Im sure dean would agree with a lot of the frustrations. Your a fan who goes to games so IMO you aren't really who Im complaining about as being responsible for the break in trust. My beef is with the fans who persuade themselves its somehow dull now ( when its no duller than its ever been in truth) so they can use it as an excuse not to go or just the people of the area in general who call themselves Huddersfield fans but don't seem to want a championship club. I find it strange when people don't 'believe in this team', when its doing better than all the teams theyve seen for years who presumably they DID believe in. I was tal;king to a town fan mate last night who hasn't renewed because he 'got fed up of seeing us lose or draw so often'. I made the obvious point that thats because its a hell of a tougher standard in this division and like it or not, we are a small club at this level. he knew all that of course but just wants to see winning football-- a league 1 fan then. We have a lot of them. As for results and performances- football is very fine lines. I genuinely think we 'should' have 4 wins from our 5 games so far. Obviously we have issues that have stopped us getting the results our general performances warranted, but we've not been too far off IMO at all. But arent we going to be further off now another quality player has left and not been directly replaced. Im with most of what you say capn.....but the recruitment and incoming transfer policy is baffling me right now......the club may be spot on and i genuinely hope ill need a large slice of humble pie, but im not confident!!!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 1, 2015 21:03:46 GMT 1
I am sorry Cpt but I am going to disagree here. I would hope you acknowledge I have a history of presenting a rounded view but some of the "woe is me merchants" actually have a point. We are getting hung up on cash but we need to recognise that there are serious concerns with regard to results, performances and direction (of the first team). When you add the lack of results from the academy it isn't surprising that the rounded loyal fans, like me, are questioning our strategy. Every time the progress debate surfaces there is a general spot with those defending DH and those criticising. The truth is usually in the middle but dismiss the more negative with the comment "we'll get the club we deserve" is s cheap cop out. People won't support a team they don't believe in, at the moment - for a variety of reasons - the floating fan doesn't believe in the team and won't pay to watch. That leaves the loyal ones like me who are essentially condemned to be told "well, what did you expect?...the fans aren't coming". This attitude simply isn't acceptable it's all the fans fault we haven't made the best use of the undoubted investment, it's all the fans fault that we haven't picked an outstanding manager and it's all the fans fault that the academy (which they support directly through patronising canalside, lotteries etc) hasn't produced. By all means disagree with the more negative, I know I have down the years, but right now some more than have a point and those don't expect more cash to be thrown at it but do expect more from the cash we have. To be told because we aren't all happy we are responsible isn't on and completely misses the point. I want to be positive but we are getting left behind, and maybe that's beyond DH's control, but don't blame me for saying I thin we can do better right now. Thats a fair comment. i don't have any issue with fans complaining about the value the club ( Dean in reality) gets for its money and id agree in many ways it could certainly be a lot better ( could be worse too mind!) . Im sure dean would agree with a lot of the frustrations. Your a fan who goes to games so IMO you aren't really who Im complaining about as being responsible for the break in trust. My beef is with the fans who persuade themselves its somehow dull now ( when its no duller than its ever been in truth) so they can use it as an excuse not to go or just the people of the area in general who call themselves Huddersfield fans but don't seem to want a championship club. I find it strange when people don't 'believe in this team', when its doing better than all the teams theyve seen for years who presumably they DID believe in. I was tal;king to a town fan mate last night who hasn't renewed because he 'got fed up of seeing us lose or draw so often'. I made the obvious point that thats because its a hell of a tougher standard in this division and like it or not, we are a small club at this level. he knew all that of course but just wants to see winning football-- a league 1 fan then. We have a lot of them. As for results and performances- football is very fine lines. I genuinely think we 'should' have 4 wins from our 5 games so far. Obviously we have issues that have stopped us getting the results our general performances warranted, but we've not been too far off IMO at all. seeing us lose is not a crowd puller.. we should not have 4 wins from 5 because we didnt do enough in the games to warrant winning them.. we are not too far off a poor blackburn side, an average Fulham team who we gave a point too and a very off colour qpr team who played more for a 0-0 after 45 minutes than we did but still won the game thanks to us.. Hull beat us by turning up and eventually making the most of a dropped bollox by Town and then a free shot given to a striker.. because we have not a good hiding is as much down to the opposition as any great seed change in the Town team and tactical approach.. we lost a good few games last year by the odd goal, i bet in most of them we had a lot more efforts on goal, so no we havent progresed, we look less like scoring and always look like we can drop a huge bollox at the back and do at least once in every single game..
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Sept 1, 2015 21:11:22 GMT 1
I cant see anything positive from the actions of late and we have been lied to. Reinvesting in the squad is not and never will be loan players , because investing in the squad is about addressing the concerns and building. Why did we get a winger in on loan...he was not required we all know why he brought the midfielder from wigan in and suddenly there is no time to spend the money because Its deadline day, what a coincidence,we couldnt see that coming could we? We have weakness front and back a striker we cant play because it will trigger a contract extension in james Vaughan and i guess a squad of rag tag players who will be wondering what the hell is going on. Its certainly going to be intersting but when we get tonked whats betting its the fans fault? It certainly wont be he who cant be criticised. Shit day for Town Fans when the needs of the team are ignored. how many games before this ?
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Post by captainblack on Sept 1, 2015 21:14:45 GMT 1
It's been like pulling a Xmas cracker only to find no gift in it........... And the bangy thing in the middle failed to go off .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:16:10 GMT 1
I cant see anything positive from the actions of late and we have been lied to. Reinvesting in the squad is not and never will be loan players , because investing in the squad is about addressing the concerns and building. Why did we get a winger in on loan...he was not required we all know why he brought the midfielder from wigan in and suddenly there is no time to spend the money because Its deadline day, what a coincidence,we couldnt see that coming could we? We have weakness front and back a striker we cant play because it will trigger a contract extension in james Vaughan and i guess a squad of rag tag players who will be wondering what the hell is going on. Its certainly going to be intersting but when we get tonked whats betting its the fans fault? It certainly wont be he who cant be criticised. Shit day for Town Fans when the needs of the team are ignored. how many games before this ? What a lot of cobblers this is. There is NO trigger payment or whatever you want to call it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:31:08 GMT 1
So the club has to cater for your over priced sense of entitlement? Well that escalated quickly! I do apologise for my (reasonable?) opinion given the circumstances. Sure like the overblown nonsense on here...we have not been bought any goodies today...so what we're going to do is decry the chairman....a man who started selling cards out the back of a van and ended up selling his business for around £340 million. He does nt know what he's doing blah, blah over dramatic blah...Just writing off loan players per se is just insulting ....all three are seemingly willing to give their all...yet to you its just not good enough...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:35:42 GMT 1
I trust his last Managerial appointment to get us relegated. That's trust. Well you never wanted him from the start so no trust there and who pray tell was your choice at the time...?
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 1, 2015 21:38:35 GMT 1
A good card seller doesn't necessarily make a good season ticket seller.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:39:57 GMT 1
I cant see anything positive from the actions of late and we have been lied to. Reinvesting in the squad is not and never will be loan players , because investing in the squad is about addressing the concerns and building. Why did we get a winger in on loan...he was not required we all know why he brought the midfielder from wigan in and suddenly there is no time to spend the money because Its deadline day, what a coincidence,we couldnt see that coming could we? We have weakness front and back a striker we cant play because it will trigger a contract extension in james Vaughan and i guess a squad of rag tag players who will be wondering what the hell is going on. Its certainly going to be intersting but when we get tonked whats betting its the fans fault? It certainly wont be he who cant be criticised. Shit day for Town Fans when the needs of the team are ignored. Would you care to elaborate on that and put it into the public sphere and then go and find a good lawyer?
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Post by neilterrier on Sept 1, 2015 21:42:23 GMT 1
Season ticket holder and supporter since the 1970's. People mention that Hoyle is so wonderful and that he is the best chairman we ever had etc etc. It's all about opinions and some on here hand out abuse if an opinion differs from theirs. A very mature outlook to have. I read the posts on this site twice a day every day but rarely post myself, the fact that I am writing this is testament to how strongly I feel about recent (last few seasons) events at the club. IMO Dean Hoyle and his team have created a cold and clinical atmosphere at the club where we have the fact that we are unable to compete with most Championship teams rammed down our throats on a daily basis.. Any reasonably intelligent person is aware of this without the constant reminders. Our best players are sold for profit when they have not been at the club long enough to contribute to any reasonable success. We have needed a frontline striker ever since it became apparent that the maligned James Vaughan would not be able to contribute every week. This problem still remains unanswered, only briefly solved by the brief loan period of Grant Holt who showed in his few games for us just what it would be like to support a club run with the priority of the fans at heart. Be honest, when was the last time any of you ever truly felt excited about going to the match. Hoyle may have invested his money, but I don't feel turning the club into what it has now become is anything to be proud of.
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 1, 2015 21:42:34 GMT 1
Like others, I am a little concerned about what's happening at Town, but I think Paterson could be a shrewd signing. With him playing behind Wells, Carayol on the left and Scannell on the right, we could cause teams some trouble if Powell would stop being so negative. I agree, when you factor in Huws who is supposedly quality, Dempsey who looks to have something and Cranie who looks defensively solid I'm not sure why everyone is getting so wound up. We are admittedly short of a striker but I'm pretty sure the club are working on it.
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 1, 2015 21:43:10 GMT 1
Well that escalated quickly! I do apologise for my (reasonable?) opinion given the circumstances. Sure like the overblown nonsense on here...we have not been bought any goodies today...so what we're going to do is decry the chairman....a man who started selling cards out the back of a van and ended up selling his business for around £340 million. He does nt know what he's doing blah, blah over dramatic blah...Just writing off loan players per se is just insulting ....all three are seemingly willing to give their all...yet to you its just not good enough... all three seemingly willing to give their all! based on what a 15 min cameo from the only one weve seen. Jesus wept your optimistic the clubs transfer policy is nonsense
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 1, 2015 21:45:58 GMT 1
I cant see anything positive from the actions of late and we have been lied to. Reinvesting in the squad is not and never will be loan players , because investing in the squad is about addressing the concerns and building. Why did we get a winger in on loan...he was not required we all know why he brought the midfielder from wigan in and suddenly there is no time to spend the money because Its deadline day, what a coincidence,we couldnt see that coming could we? We have weakness front and back a striker we cant play because it will trigger a contract extension in james Vaughan and i guess a squad of rag tag players who will be wondering what the hell is going on. Its certainly going to be intersting but when we get tonked whats betting its the fans fault? It certainly wont be he who cant be criticised. Shit day for Town Fans when the needs of the team are ignored. Would you care to elaborate on that and put it into the public sphere and then go and find a good lawyer? at the recent q&a we were told alex was sold to further improve the squad are we all now to presume that was the 2 loans that later turned up!? even though hiwula was included in the deal? of course we were lied to January will come and we will be told that the January window is not a buyers market and that's why we have not invested
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Post by Giggity on Sept 1, 2015 21:51:43 GMT 1
Like others, I am a little concerned about what's happening at Town, but I think Paterson could be a shrewd signing. With him playing behind Wells, Carayol on the left and Scannell on the right, we could cause teams some trouble if Powell would stop being so negative. I agree, when you factor in Huws who is supposedly quality, Dempsey who looks to have something and Cranie who looks defensively solid I'm not sure why everyone is getting so wound up. We are admittedly short of a striker but I'm pretty sure the club are working on it. One word. Powell. Wells will be isolated up front again. Whitehead, Hogg and Huws will be sat deep in the middle. Bunn will be somewhere in front. Lopsided.
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Post by orinoco on Sept 1, 2015 21:51:56 GMT 1
Would you care to elaborate on that and put it into the public sphere and then go and find a good lawyer? at the recent q&a we were told alex was sold to further improve the squad are we all now to presume that was the 2 loans that later turned up!? even though hiwula was included in the deal? of course we were lied to January will come and we will be told that the January window is not a buyers market and that's why we have not invested
pitch invasions? wheres the money gone? are you oyston in disguise?where will it end!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:52:47 GMT 1
Sure like the overblown nonsense on here...we have not been bought any goodies today...so what we're going to do is decry the chairman....a man who started selling cards out the back of a van and ended up selling his business for around £340 million. He does nt know what he's doing blah, blah over dramatic blah...Just writing off loan players per se is just insulting ....all three are seemingly willing to give their all...yet to you its just not good enough... all three seemingly willing to give their all! based on what a 15 min cameo from the only one weve seen. Jesus wept your optimistic the clubs transfer policy is nonsense Who said anything about 15 minutes - all three want to play for us....is nt that good enough for you ....Apparently Butterfield did nt once the first bid came in....
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 1, 2015 21:54:56 GMT 1
all three seemingly willing to give their all! based on what a 15 min cameo from the only one weve seen. Jesus wept your optimistic the clubs transfer policy is nonsense Who said anything about 15 minutes - all three want to play for us....is nt that good enough for you ....Apparently Butterfield did nt once the first bid came in.... oh yeah and coady wanted to go an you probably still believe that smithies wanted to go and that hunt was a terrible professional and the list goes on its becoming a monologue when we sell players that they wanted to go - well build something that they want to stay for
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:55:43 GMT 1
Would you care to elaborate on that and put it into the public sphere and then go and find a good lawyer? at the recent q&a we were told alex was sold to further improve the squad are we all now to presume that was the 2 loans that later turned up!? even though hiwula was included in the deal? of course we were lied to January will come and we will be told that the January window is not a buyers market and that's why we have not invested
Who are you? His lawyer?
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Post by dugnet on Sept 1, 2015 21:58:38 GMT 1
Thats a fair comment. i don't have any issue with fans complaining about the value the club ( Dean in reality) gets for its money and id agree in many ways it could certainly be a lot better ( could be worse too mind!) . Im sure dean would agree with a lot of the frustrations. Your a fan who goes to games so IMO you aren't really who Im complaining about as being responsible for the break in trust. My beef is with the fans who persuade themselves its somehow dull now ( when its no duller than its ever been in truth) so they can use it as an excuse not to go or just the people of the area in general who call themselves Huddersfield fans but don't seem to want a championship club. I find it strange when people don't 'believe in this team', when its doing better than all the teams theyve seen for years who presumably they DID believe in. I was tal;king to a town fan mate last night who hasn't renewed because he 'got fed up of seeing us lose or draw so often'. I made the obvious point that thats because its a hell of a tougher standard in this division and like it or not, we are a small club at this level. he knew all that of course but just wants to see winning football-- a league 1 fan then. We have a lot of them. As for results and performances- football is very fine lines. I genuinely think we 'should' have 4 wins from our 5 games so far. Obviously we have issues that have stopped us getting the results our general performances warranted, but we've not been too far off IMO at all. But arent we going to be further off now another quality player has left and not been directly replaced. Im with most of what you say capn.....but the recruitment and incoming transfer policy is baffling me right now......the club may be spot on and i genuinely hope ill need a large slice of humble pie, but im not confident!!! Cpt I do take your point and I understand where you are coming from, the money issue clouds everything. I would agree that we could have won 4 of the games so far, I'd probably argue we should have won 2 and drawn 2 but it is margins. Where my problem is that our genuinely very good performances since CP came in have merely confirmed the view that we have had enough quality to do better but have failed to do so. The constant mantra we have had is "it's tough to compete", which although true is continually setting the agenda. Taking Shawsie's point I cannot understand our current recruitment policy. I accept Butterfield was a great price, but it had to be justify losing him. Vaughan also makes sense although is he really our 3rd best option? Two defensive midfielders starting? Signing two more wide men? No right back? Only 3 centre halves at the club? £30.50 to get in? I am being extreme but to make a point but overall we should be better - Saturday was a classic case in point, I think the team who finished last season would have disposed of QPR by a couple of goals - the fact we couldn't is making people disheartened. The momentum and belief of 3 years ago has dissipated and we need something to hang onto. As it stands we have lost our best player and not really replaced him, but it shouldn't be lost that the team with him in it still played some pretty poor games last season. How will we progress if we cannot maintain our core performers? It all feels as if there is a sad inevitability at the moment. The sad thing is that I don't think we are that far away, or weren't, and appear to have become resigned to a return to League 1. I really hope I am completely wrong, when Bolton come I'll be behind the team and hope they rise to the challenge.
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Post by upthetown on Sept 1, 2015 22:00:52 GMT 1
It's been like pulling a Xmas cracker only to find no gift in it........... Could be worse, could pull a Xmas cracker and find Marvin Sordell in there.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2015 22:03:06 GMT 1
Thats a fair comment. i don't have any issue with fans complaining about the value the club ( Dean in reality) gets for its money and id agree in many ways it could certainly be a lot better ( could be worse too mind!) . Im sure dean would agree with a lot of the frustrations. Your a fan who goes to games so IMO you aren't really who Im complaining about as being responsible for the break in trust. My beef is with the fans who persuade themselves its somehow dull now ( when its no duller than its ever been in truth) so they can use it as an excuse not to go or just the people of the area in general who call themselves Huddersfield fans but don't seem to want a championship club. I find it strange when people don't 'believe in this team', when its doing better than all the teams theyve seen for years who presumably they DID believe in. I was tal;king to a town fan mate last night who hasn't renewed because he 'got fed up of seeing us lose or draw so often'. I made the obvious point that thats because its a hell of a tougher standard in this division and like it or not, we are a small club at this level. he knew all that of course but just wants to see winning football-- a league 1 fan then. We have a lot of them. As for results and performances- football is very fine lines. I genuinely think we 'should' have 4 wins from our 5 games so far. Obviously we have issues that have stopped us getting the results our general performances warranted, but we've not been too far off IMO at all. But arent we going to be further off now another quality player has left and not been directly replaced. Im with most of what you say capn.....but the recruitment and incoming transfer policy is baffling me right now......the club may be spot on and i genuinely hope ill need a large slice of humble pie, but im not confident!!! Quite possibly mate, but I think this butterfiedl move is a little different in that we received a fantastic offer for a player who was desperate to leave. Ok the club could have said to JB, no youre staying but in truth all your achieving then is saddling yourself wih an unmotivated player who's value is dropping. Smithies and Coady were more about cutting our cloth in a planned way. that said theyve known for a good while that there was a chance Derby ( or someone else) might reach their 'will sell' valuation, so theyve had plenty of time to line up a replacement. Maybe hes already here in Huws? Don't know enough about the player. Id be very surprised if we don't see another couple of loans before we play again- a striker and a centre back. But Loans aren't going to have a sell on value, so they hardly fit our strategy of buy cheap and sell expensive.
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