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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 5, 2015 8:34:43 GMT 1
The John Smith’s Stadium club have an extension clause in the deal which brought the centre-back in on loan from Premier League Bournemouth link |
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Post by Skint Terriers on Oct 5, 2015 8:43:43 GMT 1
Good he's been decent. Better than Hudson.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Oct 5, 2015 8:45:39 GMT 1
Pleased about this. I like ward and Lynch as a pairing.
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Post by lgm55 on Oct 5, 2015 8:46:16 GMT 1
Great news seems a very decent player likes to have the ball looks at ease
Preference to Hudson also in my book - a mate of mine swears by Ward as one top class player before his injuries at Bournemouth too
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 5, 2015 9:33:21 GMT 1
Best news I've heard all day.
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Post by haveitback on Oct 5, 2015 9:40:22 GMT 1
Best news I've heard all day. It's been a long day. |
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Post by Pilgrim Terrier on Oct 5, 2015 9:47:38 GMT 1
Good to have another established centre back. Nothing wrong with Hudson but Murray not good enough for me.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 5, 2015 9:55:55 GMT 1
get ward looking along the line instead of dropping and forming his own and we will have got a good player. I think he needs the 'town defending habit' knocked out of him before it becomes an addiction..
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Post by lgm55 on Oct 5, 2015 10:28:50 GMT 1
Agree With Galpharm - Ward and Lynch great news but think Ward edges the Commanding the line ahead of Lynch
Happy With this news - nothing against Hudson but these 2 edge it for me
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 5, 2015 11:03:38 GMT 1
Hudsons been a really poor signing IMO. I don't think we got the player we thought we would in that hes still got it in his head, but physically hes just not up to standard anymore.
He'll be a very big wage id imagine too.
Good news then about Ward. Adds that aerial strength weve lacked at centre back since Gerrard was playing.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Oct 5, 2015 11:18:51 GMT 1
Good, hopefully we'll keep a clean sheet before the end of the season as well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 11:59:35 GMT 1
All we need now is a keeper to sign before the next game.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 5, 2015 12:07:58 GMT 1
Pleased about this. I like ward and Lynch as a pairing. Yes I think they work better as a pairing. Lynch covers that space behind Ward pretty well at times. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 5, 2015 12:49:04 GMT 1
Has had the occasional dodgy moment but overall a decent signing, prefer him to Hudson.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 5, 2015 14:03:56 GMT 1
Hudsons been a really poor signing IMO. I don't think we got the player we thought we would in that hes still got it in his head, but physically hes just not up to standard anymore. He'll be a very big wage id imagine too. Good news then about Ward. Adds that aerial strength weve lacked at centre back since Gerrard was playing. Do you think Hudson has been poor this season? I certainly don't - our defence has looked pretty solid this year even before Ward's arrival, our main weaknesses have been at full back - Cranie's introduction on the right has helped massively and while Davidson's last game was bad, he has shown glimpses of potential, I recall Robinson looked naff early doors for us last season so I will hold out some hope, sadly though, many fans seem to make their minds up early on players and they players struggle to turn it around and then to be 'proved right' their detractors will jump to criticise any mistake by the said player, mistakes that if made by other favoured players would be simply ignored. In fact, I am delighted that recent Whitehead performances have shut up his dissenters. Anyway, back to Hudson, he clearly hasn't been the dominant presence we all hoped but he gets a bum rap on here and IMO was playing well this year before he got injured and our goals against record improved under his watch this year as it did last year(just not to the hoped for level). I would play Ward over Hudson as he is the better player. If the only way we could bring a striker in on loan would be by sending Ward back or not extending him then I wouldn't hesitate because a better striker would be a bigger difference maker for us than Ward over Hudson. |
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Post by lgm55 on Oct 5, 2015 14:20:18 GMT 1
In fact, I am delighted that recent Whitehead performances have shut up his dissenters.
Anyway, back to Hudson, he clearly hasn't been the dominant presence we all hoped but he gets a bum rap on here and IMO was playing well this year before he got injured and our goals against record improved under his watch this year as it did last year(just not to the hoped for level).
I would play Ward over Hudson as he is the better player.
I am one who was a little worried over Whitehead to be honest but now he has settled in the lack of pace he well makes up for his vision and eager to get the ball and want to play it forward i am silenced.Well done Deano also on this point .
Agreed I dont doubt Hudson at all if the choice has to be made between the 2 then my choice would be Ward.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 5, 2015 14:42:05 GMT 1
Hudsons been a really poor signing IMO. I don't think we got the player we thought we would in that hes still got it in his head, but physically hes just not up to standard anymore. He'll be a very big wage id imagine too. Good news then about Ward. Adds that aerial strength weve lacked at centre back since Gerrard was playing. Do you think Hudson has been poor this season? I certainly don't - our defence has looked pretty solid this year even before Ward's arrival, our main weaknesses have been at full back - Cranie's introduction on the right has helped massively and while Davidson's last game was bad, he has shown glimpses of potential, I recall Robinson looked naff early doors for us last season so I will hold out some hope, sadly though, many fans seem to make their minds up early on players and they players struggle to turn it around and then to be 'proved right' their detractors will jump to criticise any mistake by the said player, mistakes that if made by other favoured players would be simply ignored. In fact, I am delighted that recent Whitehead performances have shut up his dissenters. Anyway, back to Hudson, he clearly hasn't been the dominant presence we all hoped but he gets a bum rap on here and IMO was playing well this year before he got injured and our goals against record improved under his watch this year as it did last year(just not to the hoped for level). I would play Ward over Hudson as he is the better player. If the only way we could bring a striker in on loan would be by sending Ward back or not extending him then I wouldn't hesitate because a better striker would be a bigger difference maker for us than Ward over Hudson. Yes in a word, I do. Probably a little better than he had been last season I'll grant you, but still poor for a centre back at this level IMO. It just boils down to lack of physical ability with him Im afraid which at his age is only going to deteriorate further. I don't think we did our due diligence well enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 15:02:21 GMT 1
Hudsons been a really poor signing IMO. I don't think we got the player we thought we would in that hes still got it in his head, but physically hes just not up to standard anymore. He'll be a very big wage id imagine too. Good news then about Ward. Adds that aerial strength weve lacked at centre back since Gerrard was playing. Up until his injury Hudson was looking twice the player he was last season IMO. Ward has done well but Hudson is a very good option to have on the bench. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 5, 2015 15:20:17 GMT 1
Do you think Hudson has been poor this season? I certainly don't - our defence has looked pretty solid this year even before Ward's arrival, our main weaknesses have been at full back - Cranie's introduction on the right has helped massively and while Davidson's last game was bad, he has shown glimpses of potential, I recall Robinson looked naff early doors for us last season so I will hold out some hope, sadly though, many fans seem to make their minds up early on players and they players struggle to turn it around and then to be 'proved right' their detractors will jump to criticise any mistake by the said player, mistakes that if made by other favoured players would be simply ignored. In fact, I am delighted that recent Whitehead performances have shut up his dissenters. Anyway, back to Hudson, he clearly hasn't been the dominant presence we all hoped but he gets a bum rap on here and IMO was playing well this year before he got injured and our goals against record improved under his watch this year as it did last year(just not to the hoped for level). I would play Ward over Hudson as he is the better player. If the only way we could bring a striker in on loan would be by sending Ward back or not extending him then I wouldn't hesitate because a better striker would be a bigger difference maker for us than Ward over Hudson. Yes in a word, I do. Probably a little better than he had been last season I'll grant you, but still poor for a centre back at this level IMO. It just boils down to lack of physical ability with him Im afraid which at his age is only going to deteriorate further. I don't think we did our due diligence well enough. Which games specifically this season would you describe as poor from Hudson, because I think his performances so far had improved significantly from last season. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 5, 2015 15:23:40 GMT 1
He wasn't good on Saturday, he likes the shops in Manchester so he be happy.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 5, 2015 15:30:08 GMT 1
Do you think Hudson has been poor this season? I certainly don't - our defence has looked pretty solid this year even before Ward's arrival, our main weaknesses have been at full back - Cranie's introduction on the right has helped massively and while Davidson's last game was bad, he has shown glimpses of potential, I recall Robinson looked naff early doors for us last season so I will hold out some hope, sadly though, many fans seem to make their minds up early on players and they players struggle to turn it around and then to be 'proved right' their detractors will jump to criticise any mistake by the said player, mistakes that if made by other favoured players would be simply ignored. In fact, I am delighted that recent Whitehead performances have shut up his dissenters. Anyway, back to Hudson, he clearly hasn't been the dominant presence we all hoped but he gets a bum rap on here and IMO was playing well this year before he got injured and our goals against record improved under his watch this year as it did last year(just not to the hoped for level). I would play Ward over Hudson as he is the better player. If the only way we could bring a striker in on loan would be by sending Ward back or not extending him then I wouldn't hesitate because a better striker would be a bigger difference maker for us than Ward over Hudson. Yes in a word, I do. Probably a little better than he had been last season I'll grant you, but still poor for a centre back at this level IMO. It just boils down to lack of physical ability with him Im afraid which at his age is only going to deteriorate further. I don't think we did our due diligence well enough. Hudson gets off the ground much better than Ward  but I think Ward is better all round . I've watched Fulham on the box a few times of late. Dembele has dominated most of the centre halves he has played against - but Hudson had him in his pocket at their place. Lynch and Ward look a lot more comfortable pairing as well. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 5, 2015 15:32:23 GMT 1
He wasn't good on Saturday, he likes the shops in Manchester so he be happy. We get it Nick, you saw Ward shopping in Manchester once, you may have mentioned it once or twice but seriously....  |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 5, 2015 16:04:55 GMT 1
in the bashing of miller and davision, the question as to where whitehead was for the first on saturday seems to have been missed?
whitehead looks better when we are better, simple.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 5, 2015 16:06:42 GMT 1
btw, im not blaming whitehead for the goal.. the team had backed off as a whole.. blame the manager for shitting himself a bit, again.. we conceeded because of what we were doing as a team..
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 5, 2015 16:36:20 GMT 1
Yes in a word, I do. Probably a little better than he had been last season I'll grant you, but still poor for a centre back at this level IMO. It just boils down to lack of physical ability with him Im afraid which at his age is only going to deteriorate further. I don't think we did our due diligence well enough. Which games specifically this season would you describe as poor from Hudson, because I think his performances so far had improved significantly from last season. I don't have an answer in terms of specific games, just the overall opinion of him as a player. Marginally better than last season perhaps ( because hes cut out the glaring errors maybe) but still not good enough IMO. He still loses out in most aerial challenges to any striker of any height and is still possibly the slowest player over the ground I can remember playing for Town. His distribution is still lousy. Hes not a terrible option to have on the bench but an extremely expensive one for a club with our budget. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 5, 2015 18:07:06 GMT 1
Which games specifically this season would you describe as poor from Hudson, because I think his performances so far had improved significantly from last season. I don't have an answer in terms of specific games, just the overall opinion of him as a player. Marginally better than last season perhaps ( because hes cut out the glaring errors maybe) but still not good enough IMO. He still loses out in most aerial challenges to any striker of any height and is still possibly the slowest player over the ground I can remember playing for Town. His distribution is still lousy. Hes not a terrible option to have on the bench but an extremely expensive one for a club with our budget. I can totally accept your OPINION that he is a poor player, everyone's entitled to their opinions and of course sometimes they differ. I think without doubt the signing has failed to live up to our hopes and aspirations, in hindsight maybe we expected too much. I maintain that I don't feel he has put in a poor performance this season but we are down to splitting hairs. He was my MOM against Fulham. The full game can be seen here link though if you don't like the cockney accent you may want to turn the sound off and Hudson wins more than a few headers too  |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 5, 2015 18:52:29 GMT 1
in the bashing of miller and davision, the question as to where whitehead was for the first on saturday seems to have been missed? whitehead looks better when we are better, simple. Well he wasn't missing. He was right at the heart of the action, just missed his tackle in a good move by them. Root cause was Huws weak header and his lack of awareness of the amount of space around him - quite a lot. Stuff happens - it wasn't a system fault. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 5, 2015 18:54:31 GMT 1
Which games specifically this season would you describe as poor from Hudson, because I think his performances so far had improved significantly from last season. I don't have an answer in terms of specific games, just the overall opinion of him as a player. Marginally better than last season perhaps ( because hes cut out the glaring errors maybe) but still not good enough IMO. He still loses out in most aerial challenges to any striker of any height and is still possibly the slowest player over the ground I can remember playing for Town. His distribution is still lousy. Hes not a terrible option to have on the bench but an extremely expensive one for a club with our budget. Think you really need to start watching how many headers he actually wins. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:13:43 GMT 1
Hudson certainly aint the player he was.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 5, 2015 21:18:12 GMT 1
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but I think Ward is better all round .