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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 5, 2015 21:20:38 GMT 1
I tried to buy some Armani jeans in Harvey Nicks The day he was in.
£200 a pair, I put them back
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 22:04:25 GMT 1
Amazing, when he first signed on loan I seem to remember datm went into meltdown as to why we'd signed this lad.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 5, 2015 23:50:26 GMT 1
I'm surprised they are so low in general - thought they would be in the 80%+ area. What would the stats be like for top centre halves like Ferdinand, Terry, Ramos etc
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 6, 2015 0:49:05 GMT 1
Hudsons been a really poor signing IMO. I don't think we got the player we thought we would in that hes still got it in his head, but physically hes just not up to standard anymore. He'll be a very big wage id imagine too. Good news then about Ward. Adds that aerial strength weve lacked at centre back since Gerrard was playing. Do you think Hudson has been poor this season? I certainly don't - our defence has looked pretty solid this year even before Ward's arrival, our main weaknesses have been at full back - Cranie's introduction on the right has helped massively and while Davidson's last game was bad, he has shown glimpses of potential, I recall Robinson looked naff early doors for us last season so I will hold out some hope, sadly though, many fans seem to make their minds up early on players and they players struggle to turn it around and then to be 'proved right' their detractors will jump to criticise any mistake by the said player, mistakes that if made by other favoured players would be simply ignored. In fact, I am delighted that recent Whitehead performances have shut up his dissenters. Anyway, back to Hudson, he clearly hasn't been the dominant presence we all hoped but he gets a bum rap on here and IMO was playing well this year before he got injured and our goals against record improved under his watch this year as it did last year(just not to the hoped for level). I would play Ward over Hudson as he is the better player. If the only way we could bring a striker in on loan would be by sending Ward back or not extending him then I wouldn't hesitate because a better striker would be a bigger difference maker for us than Ward over Hudson. Great post all round and not least the part I've emboldened. Some folk just seem desperate to be the first to pass an opinion on a player and then stick to it rigidly whereas some others appear to be sheep. You are absolutely spot on about Robinson's early performances for us. I hope Davison and Miller come good for us. It's still early days here for both of them.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 6, 2015 20:21:18 GMT 1
What do those stats consider an aerial duel? Who decides that? A 50/50 challenge with both players jumping? Or just heading it away when the opposing player is nearby but not really in a position to win it? Best way to form an opinion is to watch the player and judge him from that. And from a season of watching Hudson, he is poor in the air for a centre back and tends to come out 2nd best when up against a forward with any aerial strength. He gets dominated. Gerrard didn't. Hudson's weakness in the air is obvious to see whatever stats you throw at me. You could provide me stats that show hes as fast as lightning and passes the ball like Glenn Hoddle if you like- from actually watching him I'd know it isn't a true reflection of him as a player.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 6, 2015 20:31:06 GMT 1
I'm surprised they are so low in general - thought they would be in the 80%+ area. What would the stats be like for top centre halves like Ferdinand, Terry, Ramos etc who knows because stats like that are so vague and subjective. Theres one available for 'meaningful balls into the box'. Who decides that and what constitutes one? At a guess, if a forward beats the centre back to a ball and heads it, it goes down as the defender losing an 'aerial duel'. Well no, hes just been beaten to the ball and might never have had any chance of winning it. That stat site also says Hudson made ONE defensive error all last season.....hmmm?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 6, 2015 20:53:08 GMT 1
Stats would also say that Hogg is our best passer of the ball, but we all know that the majority of those are 5/10 yard sideways or backwards passes which most of us would be able to make. There's no substitute for watching a game to form a real opinion of a player and I'm with the Captain on this one in the opinion that Gerrard was a far better defender for us than Hudson has been.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 6, 2015 20:58:54 GMT 1
The more I look at that stats site, the more bizarre they become. Apparently Hudson also made TWO tackles... ALL LAST SEASON ! Now Im not a fan of his, but even id say thats harsh!! Two blocks, 26 clearences and 10 interceptions.. thats ALL SEASON!
I think its safe to say that stats site is utter bollocks.
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Post by impact on Oct 6, 2015 21:25:47 GMT 1
The more I look at that stats site, the more bizarre they become. Apparently Hudson also made TWO tackles... ALL LAST SEASON ! Now Im not a fan of his, but even id say thats harsh!! Two blocks, 26 clearences and 10 interceptions.. thats ALL SEASON! I think its safe to say that stats site is utter bollocks. You're looking at his 5 games this season.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 6, 2015 21:30:52 GMT 1
Scanz might get some dress code tips from him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 21:41:03 GMT 1
Scanz might get some dress code tips from him. I actually think you have a form of autism Nick.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 6, 2015 21:48:00 GMT 1
Scanz might get some dress code tips from him. I actually think you have a form of autism Nick. Who asked you Mel ? You can't compete with my sense of humour.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 21:50:22 GMT 1
I actually think you have a form of autism Nick. Who asked you Mel ? You can't compete with my sense of humour. I think its a sense of desperation combined with a feeling of insecurity, but you are correct, I cant compete with it.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 6, 2015 22:08:14 GMT 1
What do those stats consider an aerial duel? Who decides that? A 50/50 challenge with both players jumping? Or just heading it away when the opposing player is nearby but not really in a position to win it? Best way to form an opinion is to watch the player and judge him from that. And from a season of watching Hudson, he is poor in the air for a centre back and tends to come out 2nd best when up against a forward with any aerial strength. He gets dominated. Gerrard didn't. Hudson's weakness in the air is obvious to see whatever stats you throw at me. You could provide me stats that show hes as fast as lightning and passes the ball like Glenn Hoddle if you like- from actually watching him I'd know it isn't a true reflection of him as a player. who knows because stats like that are so vague and subjective. Theres one available for 'meaningful balls into the box'. Who decides that and what constitutes one? At a guess, if a forward beats the centre back to a ball and heads it, it goes down as the defender losing an 'aerial duel'. Well no, hes just been beaten to the ball and might never have had any chance of winning it. That stat site also says Hudson made ONE defensive error all last season.....hmmm? The more I look at that stats site, the more bizarre they become. Apparently Hudson also made TWO tackles... ALL LAST SEASON ! Now Im not a fan of his, but even id say thats harsh!! Two blocks, 26 clearences and 10 interceptions.. thats ALL SEASON! I think its safe to say that stats site is utter bollocks. Before you go misquoting it and dismissing it as utter bollocks - maybe because it disagrees with your OPINION - as impact suggests, you ought to look at the correct season figures. Stats are there for people to compare, these are drawn up by INDEPENDENT statisticians who watch the prozone coverage on disc at their headquarters in Leeds. The same criteria is used for all players..... do you think they produce the data with Hudson duels against attackers 5'6" and Gerrard against 6'6" giants? I thought these stats would backup my argument that Hudson gets a bum rap on here. You state he has been poor this season but then can't give an example of a poor performance...........If I said this about Gerrard 2 years ago, no doubt you would pick me up on it and try to support your case with examples. So in this case I initially provided a link to a game where I felt that Hudson put in a match of the match performance. Finally I provided stats produced by an independent source that backs up my case. I think its fair to say that the football industry is increasingly looking at these statistics and their importance is growing in the game whether you or I like it or not. But if you wish to counter with your 'eye test' then I guess we are done with the debate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 22:26:44 GMT 1
We don't need Gerrard anymore, his best attribute was going on twitter assuring us we wouldn't get gubbed again, after a gubbing, only for us to get gubbed a short time later.
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Post by impact on Oct 6, 2015 23:15:27 GMT 1
We don't need Gerrard anymore, his best attribute was going on twitter assuring us we wouldn't get gubbed again, after a gubbing, only for us to get gubbed a short time later. I knew he was big-headed but didn't realise just how much he was. Read an interview with him the other day from over the summer. He said had he played in the play-off final v Blackpool they would have been promoted. If he could play as well as he says he wouldn't be sat at home without a club.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 6, 2015 23:24:39 GMT 1
Doc- firstly- Im just giving MY OPINION. Can't you just accept thats what it is? You always seem so offended that I should have one! MY OPINION from watching the player. Not from stats ( that I haven't misquoted at all by the way) -but from watching him play for a year or so.
I don't hold much truck with stat sites like the one youve so kindly provided. Not because they don't agree with my opinion. But because they're invariably useless. Theyr'e always way too ambiguous and don't take into account the circumstances of each event. Far better to actually SEE the event in context and form AN OPINION. Take a look at the stats that site gives Hudson last season- Do you really think he made TWO tackles all season? That he only made ONE clearance every other game?? Seriously?
How can you look at stats like that and use them to accurately judge a player when they are so obviously utter hogshit?
Watch a player and form AN OPINION. Thats what I do , like it or not.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 6, 2015 23:41:49 GMT 1
I'm surprised they are so low in general - thought they would be in the 80%+ area. What would the stats be like for top centre halves like Ferdinand, Terry, Ramos etc who knows because stats like that are so vague and subjective. Theres one available for 'meaningful balls into the box'. Who decides that and what constitutes one? At a guess, if a forward beats the centre back to a ball and heads it, it goes down as the defender losing an 'aerial duel'. Well no, hes just been beaten to the ball and might never have had any chance of winning it. That stat site also says Hudson made ONE defensive error all last season.....hmmm? I had a careful look at Miller while watching the Wolves recording. All the decent balls up to him he did something good like nodding it on to one of ours. All the crap balls up the defenders won easily. I feel the defence is a lot more secure with Elliot and Cranie in it. I wonder if Hudson will get left out for Ipswich.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 7, 2015 0:28:12 GMT 1
Doc- firstly- Im just giving MY OPINION. Can't you just accept thats what it is? You always seem so offended that I should have one! MY OPINION from watching the player. Not from stats ( that I haven't misquoted at all by the way) -but from watching him play for a year or so. I don't hold much truck with stat sites like the one youve so kindly provided. Not because they don't agree with my opinion. But because they're invariably useless. Theyr'e always way too ambiguous and don't take into account the circumstances of each event. Far better to actually SEE the event in context and form AN OPINION. Take a look at the stats that site gives Hudson last season- Do you really think he made TWO tackles all season? That he only made ONE clearance every other game?? Seriously? How can you look at stats like that and use them to accurately judge a player when they are so obviously utter hogshit? Watch a player and form AN OPINION. Thats what I do , like it or not. Of course you can have an opinion as I've stated in my posts and you clearly did misquote the stats, you used 2015-16 stats and claimed they were for the whole of the last season, maybe you shouldn't trust you vision after all On football forums its all about the debate and difference of opinion - that's all we're doing here - debating! I quite respect your opinion though it differs from mine, it's this respect that stopped me from seriously taking the piss and 'dismissing things as utter bollocks' when you misread the seasons for your earlier quoted stats. If I were having this debate with marcusd my response would have been somewhat different
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Post by de1terrier on Oct 7, 2015 10:07:45 GMT 1
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 7, 2015 15:32:15 GMT 1
I actually think you have a form of autism Nick. Who asked you Mel ? You can't compete with my sense of humour. Ah, that's what it is. I often wondered ;D Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 7, 2015 16:35:12 GMT 1
Who asked you Mel ? You can't compete with my sense of humour. Ah, that's what it is. I often wondered ;D Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards It is a kind of, I'm strange with it at times.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 17:26:52 GMT 1
Its a case of stats gone mad these days, sky sports news now showing dribbles per game etc. Only one stat needed for Gerrard he was a rubbish footballer with an even worse attitude.(imo)
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 7, 2015 18:40:39 GMT 1
Its a case of stats gone mad these days, sky sports news now showing dribbles per game etc. Only one stat needed for Gerrard he was a rubbish footballer with an even worse attitude.(imo) Anthony was ok though Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 7, 2015 19:13:17 GMT 1
Doc- firstly- Im just giving MY OPINION. Can't you just accept thats what it is? You always seem so offended that I should have one! MY OPINION from watching the player. Not from stats ( that I haven't misquoted at all by the way) -but from watching him play for a year or so. I don't hold much truck with stat sites like the one youve so kindly provided. Not because they don't agree with my opinion. But because they're invariably useless. Theyr'e always way too ambiguous and don't take into account the circumstances of each event. Far better to actually SEE the event in context and form AN OPINION. Take a look at the stats that site gives Hudson last season- Do you really think he made TWO tackles all season? That he only made ONE clearance every other game?? Seriously? How can you look at stats like that and use them to accurately judge a player when they are so obviously utter hogshit? Watch a player and form AN OPINION. Thats what I do , like it or not. Of course you can have an opinion as I've stated in my posts and you clearly did misquote the stats, you used 2015-16 stats and claimed they were for the whole of the last season, maybe you shouldn't trust you vision after all On football forums its all about the debate and difference of opinion - that's all we're doing here - debating! I quite respect your opinion though it differs from mine, it's this respect that stopped me from seriously taking the piss and 'dismissing things as utter bollocks' when you misread the seasons for your earlier quoted stats. If I were having this debate with marcusd my response would have been somewhat different Ok fair enough, I misread and some stats are for the 5 games hes played this season. 'Mark Hudson, in the English Football League Championship, has won two tackles this season with a success rate of 18%. He has made 10 interceptions, 26 clearances and two blocks.' Even so, this season hes made 1 tackle every 2 1/2 games then?? And thats believable is it? Further down the link the stats are for the whole of last season, where apparently he made ONE defensive error in his 41 appearences?? Did he now?? He only won 43% of the tackles he attempted?? Really? I don't rate him but that figure is utter guff. It would be miles better than that, but as with headers, we aren't privy to what they actually consider a 'duel' are we. He also has a 100% 'take on' stat which presumably means going past an opponent whilst in possession- Impressive until you realise he apparently only attempted to go past someone with the ball ONCE all season. Sorry but Im still of the opinion stats like those are utterly useless when trying to rate a player. Ambiguous at best and often clearly nonsense.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 7, 2015 19:19:09 GMT 1
Its a case of stats gone mad these days, sky sports news now showing dribbles per game etc. Only one stat needed for Gerrard he was a rubbish footballer with an even worse attitude.(imo) We could do with a centre back as rubbish as gerrard was now. You know , one who'd come 2nd in a POTS vote despite being unpopular for whatever reason. The gerrard of 13/14 walks into our defence this season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 20:49:10 GMT 1
Its a case of stats gone mad these days, sky sports news now showing dribbles per game etc. Only one stat needed for Gerrard he was a rubbish footballer with an even worse attitude.(imo) We could do with a centre back as rubbish as gerrard was now. You know , one who'd come 2nd in a POTS vote despite being unpopular for whatever reason. The gerrard of 13/14 walks into our defence this season. Id have to disagree, I would genuinely be just as inclined to welcome back boom boom McCombe. Never rated Gerrard, no technical ability and no pace.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 7, 2015 21:32:36 GMT 1
Of course you can have an opinion as I've stated in my posts and you clearly did misquote the stats, you used 2015-16 stats and claimed they were for the whole of the last season, maybe you shouldn't trust you vision after all On football forums its all about the debate and difference of opinion - that's all we're doing here - debating! I quite respect your opinion though it differs from mine, it's this respect that stopped me from seriously taking the piss and 'dismissing things as utter bollocks' when you misread the seasons for your earlier quoted stats. If I were having this debate with marcusd my response would have been somewhat different Ok fair enough, I misread and some stats are for the 5 games hes played this season. 'Mark Hudson, in the English Football League Championship, has won two tackles this season with a success rate of 18%. He has made 10 interceptions, 26 clearances and two blocks.' Even so, this season hes made 1 tackle every 2 1/2 games then?? And thats believable is it? Further down the link the stats are for the whole of last season, where apparently he made ONE defensive error in his 41 appearences?? Did he now?? He only won 43% of the tackles he attempted?? Really? I don't rate him but that figure is utter guff. It would be miles better than that, but as with headers, we aren't privy to what they actually consider a 'duel' are we. He also has a 100% 'take on' stat which presumably means going past an opponent whilst in possession- Impressive until you realise he apparently only attempted to go past someone with the ball ONCE all season. Sorry but Im still of the opinion stats like those are utterly useless when trying to rate a player. Ambiguous at best and often clearly nonsense. Paulo Maldini averaged one tackle per game. So what I am saying is that Mark Hudson is better than Paulo Maldini.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 7, 2015 22:23:09 GMT 1
Is there Harvey Nichols men's shop in Bournmouth ?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 7, 2015 22:36:55 GMT 1
Its a case of stats gone mad these days, sky sports news now showing dribbles per game etc. Only one stat needed for Gerrard he was a rubbish footballer with an even worse attitude.(imo) We could do with a centre back as rubbish as gerrard was now. You know , one who'd come 2nd in a POTS vote despite being unpopular for whatever reason. The gerrard of 13/14 walks into our defence this season. Does he ? In front of Lynch or Ward ? Either way you're wrong
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