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Post by de1terrier on Feb 3, 2016 13:08:30 GMT 1
I told my wife in December that come February I am going to have a job that pays £100,000 a year as I don't earn enough. It's February and I couldn't find anyone that would give me a job that pays £100,000 - now my wife thinks I'm a liar and that I never wanted a job that pays £100,000. Get rid of the wife and get a job that pays £25,000 a year and save some from the saved outgoings. Also enjoy your new found freedom
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Post by benhomly on Feb 3, 2016 13:08:47 GMT 1
It wasn't intended as a dig but more to point out that its a forum (so I'm led to believe) of like minded people who happen to discuss flags quite a bit. I see this as a forum where we can all express opinions and if folk don't agree with them then fine but lets not go over the top with the abuse when we disagree. if we had a mass DATM party,and all wore name badges,I bet there would be a right love in,not a bad word said If we had a mass DATM party there'd be a few who'd go off and have their own party somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:25:28 GMT 1
I think it goes like this...."we're interested in x player, he's out of contract in the summer, so we'll offer you £x now for him...." Club replies, no we want £4x for him.. okay, stuff that then, we'll wait 'til summer when we can get him for nowt. I think that's a good way of doing business tbh, we're not desperate are we, and we don't have limitless amounts of money. But in doing that we've exposed ourselves to additional competition. Competition who probably don't take FFP as seriously as us and will offer these targets better wages than we do.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 3, 2016 13:34:46 GMT 1
its up to wagner and the club to get it right often enough between now and may to stay here.. bottom line.
the rest is somewhat dependant on it..
at best the debate on who is coming here would be narrowed quite considerably if we were not in the championship..
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Post by bristolterrier on Feb 3, 2016 13:58:12 GMT 1
I haven't been conned as I didn't want us to buy anybody. Hoped we would keep our powder dry until the summer so just positives from me. 50 years a fan I can wait 5 months.UTT. 50 years a fan you might not have 5 months Thanks ben!!! After 50 years a Town fan it is very very easy to recognise what a good position the club is at right now both on and off the field. All I have to think about is Workington Town away on a Tuesday night!!
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Post by bristolterrier on Feb 3, 2016 14:00:31 GMT 1
I think it goes like this...."we're interested in x player, he's out of contract in the summer, so we'll offer you £x now for him...." Club replies, no we want £4x for him.. okay, stuff that then, we'll wait 'til summer when we can get him for nowt. I think that's a good way of doing business tbh, we're not desperate are we, and we don't have limitless amounts of money. But in doing that we've exposed ourselves to additional competition. Competition who probably don't take FFP as seriously as us and will offer these targets better wages than we do. Fair point but it wouldn't surprise me if no one in England has heard of the players that Wagner is targeting!!!!!!!
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Post by benhomly on Feb 3, 2016 14:04:13 GMT 1
50 years a fan you might not have 5 months Thanks ben!!! After 50 years a Town fan it is very very easy to recognise what a good position the club is at right now both on and off the field. All I have to think about is Workington Town away on a Tuesday night!! I remember Workington Town away early January - lost 3-2. Like you say we've never had it so good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 14:05:10 GMT 1
if we had a mass DATM party,and all wore name badges,I bet there would be a right love in,not a bad word said If we had a mass DATM party there'd be a few who'd go off and have their own party somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 14:27:14 GMT 1
Thanks ben!!! After 50 years a Town fan it is very very easy to recognise what a good position the club is at right now both on and off the field. All I have to think about is Workington Town away on a Tuesday night!! I remember Workington Town away early January - lost 3-2. Like you say we've never had it so good. If my memory serves me well that was the last Football League match that Workington won, they failed to get re-elected at the end of the season. I wasn't at that match, but I was at the same ground to see the Cup tie some years later when Steve Smith made his last appearance at faull back at the age of 42 (?). One of the worst grounds I ever watched Town play, others being Gresty Road, Valley Parade, the Old Showground, Springfield Park and the Shay
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Post by zoso on Feb 3, 2016 14:58:32 GMT 1
I remember Workington Town away early January - lost 3-2. Like you say we've never had it so good. If my memory serves me well that was the last Football League match that Workington won, they failed to get re-elected at the end of the season. I wasn't at that match, but I was at the same ground to see the Cup tie some years later when Steve Smith made his last appearance at faull back at the age of 42 (?). One of the worst grounds I ever watched Town play, others being Gresty Road, Valley Parade, the Old Showground, Springfield Park and the Shay Did we ever play them at their place i n the FA cup back in the day? 1-0 down & mally brown equalised with a free kick? Utt.
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Post by gbow on Feb 3, 2016 15:12:51 GMT 1
Gotta disagree with those dissing the Workington away trip Remember playing them in the cup away once. Lovely drive up through the Lakes to get there. Now if only Workington were in the Championship ...
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Post by Jello Biafra on Feb 3, 2016 15:31:39 GMT 1
A few weeks ago, in a thread involving a discussion about blocking certain people, I dismissed a few DATM posters as being Hoof-Wanking Bungle-c****.
Someone asked me to name names, but I declined to do so.
However, this thread has let some of them 'out' themselves.
Top show Gentlemen, top show.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 3, 2016 15:33:29 GMT 1
Come on, own up, who actually read it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 15:53:02 GMT 1
It's the DATM way.
If you criticise the club's direction of dragging their heels and writing off another half season by trying to avoid relegation as cheaply as possible again, you come in for this sort of abuse.
Nobody is allowed an opinion which doesn't fit in with the happy clappers.
I wondered how long it would take before you piped up, Fuck Off. Perfectly demonstrated.
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Post by de1terrier on Feb 3, 2016 16:05:35 GMT 1
I wondered how long it would take before you piped up, Fuck Off. Perfectly demonstrated. Your opinion means fuck all to me. It meant fuck all the first time I read it when I considered it, it meant fuck all the second time when I reconsidered it and now every subsequent time I have read it I still thought it was bollocks, you have made no efforts to consider others points of view and you continue to spout the same bollocks over and over again. This is the last response I shall ever give your comments, and it is to reiterate my first comment, Fuck Off
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 3, 2016 16:20:56 GMT 1
Your opinion means fuck all to me. It meant fuck all the first time I read it when I considered it, it meant fuck all the second time when I reconsidered it and now every subsequent time I have read it I still thought it was bollocks, you have made no efforts to consider others points of view and you continue to spout the same bollocks over and over again. This is the last response I shall ever give your comments, and it is to reiterate my first comment, Fuck Off yeah, go on fuck off, there is loads of us...plus we know people...
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 3, 2016 16:31:42 GMT 1
Feck off
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 16:39:04 GMT 1
I think it goes like this...."we're interested in x player, he's out of contract in the summer, so we'll offer you £x now for him...." Club replies, no we want £4x for him.. okay, stuff that then, we'll wait 'til summer when we can get him for nowt. I think that's a good way of doing business tbh, we're not desperate are we, and we don't have limitless amounts of money. But in doing that we've exposed ourselves to additional competition. Competition who probably don't take FFP as seriously as us and will offer these targets better wages than we do. Thank you thats one point of many i made in my post ignored by the majority... Everyone is happy to slag me off but few will generally debate the points i make if its not to their liking or the clubs stance.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 3, 2016 16:44:34 GMT 1
But in doing that we've exposed ourselves to additional competition. Competition who probably don't take FFP as seriously as us and will offer these targets better wages than we do. Thank you thats one point of many i made in my post ignored by the majority... Everyone is happy to slag me off but few will generally debate the points i make if its not to their liking or the clubs stance. we couldnt afford the targets we had..we might be able to in summer.. concise.. if we had them as targets then sure as shit someone else did, we will still have to compete in summer.. see how it goes..
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 3, 2016 16:46:05 GMT 1
But in doing that we've exposed ourselves to additional competition. Competition who probably don't take FFP as seriously as us and will offer these targets better wages than we do. Thank you thats one point of many i made in my post ignored by the majority... Everyone is happy to slag me off but few will generally debate the points i make if its not to their liking or the clubs stance. Nah, it's not like that at all. It's like the annoying drunk at the bar - you just ignore him and hope he'll go away.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 17:02:13 GMT 1
The OP is expressing an opinion about the club's recent transfer dealings. I don't share the opinion, or think it's a well chosen subject line, but what's all this jumping on the bandwagon of personal abuse? First few responses - fair enough; after that it's just bullying in the school playground. It's an outpouring of everyone being sick to death of the OPs continued bile, attacks on the club to this guy and others have been far FAR too common place on this board, it's been coming for a while this is not school playground stuff this is sticking behind the club against a small number of so called fans decrying everything that they do. Personal abuse isn't necessarily right but I this case I reckon some of the more passionate supporters rightly get a free pass cos they have had to read his tripe for far too long. I would like to set the record straight. I DONT DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE CLUB DOES OK! 1. It was right that Robins was sacked 2. I was behind Powell when he was appointed, the guy was and remains a gent but i would have liked to see him backed a bit more from DH, BUT i agree that the oppurtunity to bring Wagner in could not be ignored. 3. I believe in DW from what i have seen, but i have also seen players struggle to play his way from the back which has cost us and struggle to finish off chances at the other end, which leads me to point 4 4. I DO NOT AGREE with the clubs transfer policy and record which does not address squad building and attending to the here and now. Its focus remains on cheap options and players to sell on asap to continue a cycle that sees us trapped. You might not like how i raise my points but at least argue them out. There is such a thing as yin and yan the alternate viewpoint. I recognise that many fans are perfctly happy , increasingly so since DW was apointed but for me the red flags of a a club that just will not invest in team building remain. The mick Buxton era was mentioned with the superb team that played for each other, it was the team that made me a fan. But we kept that team together for as long as we possibly could didnt we? And i have made this point before when it comes to strikers we always but always replaced the good striker we sold with another one who proved to be equally good. Tempest,Shearer ,Maskell, Roberts etc etc Do you see what i am getting at.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 17:04:50 GMT 1
Thank you thats one point of many i made in my post ignored by the majority... Everyone is happy to slag me off but few will generally debate the points i make if its not to their liking or the clubs stance. Nah, it's not like that at all. It's like the annoying drunk at the bar - you just ignore him and hope he'll go away. Thats right you stick your head in the sand it will all go away. None of its real its all just a dream . What you going to say if wells get injured or lynch is out for a long period yet again?
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Post by Sio on Feb 3, 2016 17:08:09 GMT 1
It's an outpouring of everyone being sick to death of the OPs continued bile, attacks on the club to this guy and others have been far FAR too common place on this board, it's been coming for a while this is not school playground stuff this is sticking behind the club against a small number of so called fans decrying everything that they do. Personal abuse isn't necessarily right but I this case I reckon some of the more passionate supporters rightly get a free pass cos they have had to read his tripe for far too long. I would like to set the record straight. I DONT DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE CLUB DOES OK! 1. It was right that Robins was sacked 2. I was behind Powell when he was appointed, the guy was and remains a gent but i would have liked to see him backed a bit more from DH, BUT i agree that the oppurtunity to bring Wagner in could not be ignored. 3. I believe in DW from what i have seen, but i have also seen players struggle to play his way from the back which has cost us and struggle to finish off chances at the other end, which leads me to point 4 4. I DO NOT AGREE with the clubs transfer policy and record which does not address squad building and attending to the here and now. Its focus remains on cheap options and players to sell on asap to continue a cycle that sees us trapped. You might not like how i raise my points but at least argue them out. There is such a thing as yin and yan the alternate viewpoint. I recognise that many fans are perfctly happy , increasingly so since DW was apointed but for me the red flags of a a club that just will not invest in team building remain. The mick Buxton era was mentioned with the superb team that played for each other, it was the team that made me a fan. But we kept that team together for as long as we possibly could didnt we? And i have made this point before when it comes to strikers we always but always replaced the good striker we sold with another one who proved to be equally good. Tempest,Shearer ,Maskell, Roberts etc etc Do you see what i am getting at.
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Post by lankystreak on Feb 3, 2016 17:13:41 GMT 1
It's an outpouring of everyone being sick to death of the OPs continued bile, attacks on the club to this guy and others have been far FAR too common place on this board, it's been coming for a while this is not school playground stuff this is sticking behind the club against a small number of so called fans decrying everything that they do. Personal abuse isn't necessarily right but I this case I reckon some of the more passionate supporters rightly get a free pass cos they have had to read his tripe for far too long. I would like to set the record straight. I DONT DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE CLUB DOES OK! 1. It was right that Robins was sacked 2. I was behind Powell when he was appointed, the guy was and remains a gent but i would have liked to see him backed a bit more from DH, BUT i agree that the oppurtunity to bring Wagner in could not be ignored. 3. I believe in DW from what i have seen, but i have also seen players struggle to play his way from the back which has cost us and struggle to finish off chances at the other end, which leads me to point 4 4. I DO NOT AGREE with the clubs transfer policy and record which does not address squad building and attending to the here and now. Its focus remains on cheap options and players to sell on asap to continue a cycle that sees us trapped.You might not like how i raise my points but at least argue them out. There is such a thing as yin and yan the alternate viewpoint. I recognise that many fans are perfctly happy , increasingly so since DW was apointed but for me the red flags of a a club that just will not invest in team building remain. The mick Buxton era was mentioned with the superb team that played for each other, it was the team that made me a fan. But we kept that team together for as long as we possibly could didnt we? And i have made this point before when it comes to strikers we always but always replaced the good striker we sold with another one who proved to be equally good. Tempest,Shearer ,Maskell, Roberts etc etc Do you see what i am getting at. Firstly, a nice post TP. With regards to the bit in bold. If you look at recent history I don't really see which of the players that were sold on should have been retained, Rhodes - Crazy money, replaced by Nakhi (who we have apparently turned down interest on), Clayton - Good money replaced by Butterfield, Butterfield - Good money player wanted to leave, Coady - same as Butterfield, Smithies - Good money, replaced short term by Steer. Most of these players would have been impossible to keep without massively breaking the wage structure (even that wouldn't have kept them as they saw us as a stepping stone). D.W is hopefully now trying to recruit players who buy into HTFC the vision, not just seeing us a some stepping stone club, but it's going to take time. Just give him and the board that. If we get to the end of the season and we are relegated and have egg on our faces then you will be well within your rights to say "I told you so", however at the moment DW clearly thinks that he has enough at his disposal to get us to safety (as do I) and I trust his judgement far more than anyones on here. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 17:16:45 GMT 1
Nah, it's not like that at all. It's like the annoying drunk at the bar - you just ignore him and hope he'll go away. Thats right you stick your head in the sand it will all go away. None of its real its all just a dream . What you going to say if wells get injured or lynch is out for a long period yet again?When you and jellobiafra's other HWBCs repeat this mantra, do you really believe that the manager and officials of the club are truly so incompetent as to not have considered such obvious concerns?
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 17:34:42 GMT 1
I would like to set the record straight. I DONT DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE CLUB DOES OK! 1. It was right that Robins was sacked 2. I was behind Powell when he was appointed, the guy was and remains a gent but i would have liked to see him backed a bit more from DH, BUT i agree that the oppurtunity to bring Wagner in could not be ignored. 3. I believe in DW from what i have seen, but i have also seen players struggle to play his way from the back which has cost us and struggle to finish off chances at the other end, which leads me to point 4 4. I DO NOT AGREE with the clubs transfer policy and record which does not address squad building and attending to the here and now. Its focus remains on cheap options and players to sell on asap to continue a cycle that sees us trapped.You might not like how i raise my points but at least argue them out. There is such a thing as yin and yan the alternate viewpoint. I recognise that many fans are perfctly happy , increasingly so since DW was apointed but for me the red flags of a a club that just will not invest in team building remain. The mick Buxton era was mentioned with the superb team that played for each other, it was the team that made me a fan. But we kept that team together for as long as we possibly could didnt we? And i have made this point before when it comes to strikers we always but always replaced the good striker we sold with another one who proved to be equally good. Tempest,Shearer ,Maskell, Roberts etc etc Do you see what i am getting at. Firstly, a nice post TP. With regards to the bit in bold. If you look at recent history I don't really see which of the players that were sold on should have been retained, Rhodes - Crazy money, replaced by Nakhi (who we have apparently turned down interest on), Clayton - Good money replaced by Butterfield, Butterfield - Good money player wanted to leave, Coady - same as Butterfield, Smithies - Good money, replaced short term by Steer. Most of these players would have been impossible to keep without massively breaking the wage structure (even that wouldn't have kept them as they saw us as a stepping stone). D.W is hopefully now trying to recruit players who buy into HTFC the vision, not just seeing us a some stepping stone club, but it's going to take time. Just give him and the board that. If we get to the end of the season and we are relegated and have egg on our faces then you will be well within your rights to say "I told you so", however at the moment DW clearly thinks that he has enough at his disposal to get us to safety (as do I) and I trust his judgement far more than anyones on here. Time will tell. So firstly thank you for not been abusive or demonstarting your ferile ubringing like so many on here. You make some good points summarised/concluding with give it time, and normally that would be fair enough but the need for a stronger defence has been with us since we wouldnt pay 1 million for sean morrison and the need for another striker competent at this level is not new we have mucked about with it for ages. I would have no qualms at all if the money raised from our player sales had in part and i stress part gone towards a ctre back and a striker . I think we could have got those in at less than half of the money raised.
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Post by Floyds on Feb 3, 2016 17:36:55 GMT 1
It's clear that we could do with signings, and that everyone is disappointed that we haven't made them in January. No one could argue that we're lacking in options up front, at left back and potentially at centre back as well. We also look like we could struggle this season should fate not smile upon us.
Not sure anyone is particularly to blame for any of the above. We only have a set amount of funds and there are only a finite number of available players.
Loads of clubs' fans are bemoaning the same points following their transfer window activity - Leeds and Sheffield United to name two of our local friends.
Hopefully we can stay clear of the relegation zone, improve our fitness and understanding and crack on next season before which hopefully we'll be able to strengthen the squad significantly.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 17:46:45 GMT 1
It's clear that we could do with signings, and that everyone is disappointed that we haven't made them in January. No one could argue that we're lacking in options up front, at left back and potentially at centre back as well. We also look like we could struggle this season should fate not smile upon us. Not sure anyone is particularly to blame for any of the above. We only have a set amount of funds and there are only a finite number of available players.
Loads of clubs' fans are bemoaning the same points following their transfer window activity - Leeds and Sheffield United to name two of our local friends.
Hopefully we can stay clear of the relegation zone, improve our fitness and understanding and crack on next season before which hopefully we'll be able to strengthen the squad significantly.[/b] Well it isnt the fans fault is it and if we are so much better run than our neighbours you would expect us to do better in the transfer market. I agree totally with your closing paragraph we will have to, its just that for me with the money we have raised should we really be relying on hope ?
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Feb 3, 2016 17:49:31 GMT 1
Loads a money, no money, premier league, League 2, Dean Hoyle, Sheikh Whoever. The hardcore support will still be there. No point moaning, disagreeing with polices & tactics. I'm going no matter who the fucking players are. You can put 11 fit birds on the field for me..... OK a fat one in goal.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 18:05:05 GMT 1
Loads a money, no money, premier league, League 2, Dean Hoyle, Sheikh Whoever. The hardcore support will still be there. No point moaning, disagreeing with polices & tactics. I'm going no matter who the fucking players are. You can put 11 fit birds on the field for me..... OK a fat one in goal. And guess what i was that man once too.
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