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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:30:58 GMT 1
Changing a player is far more complicated and difficult than changing your car. At the end of the day, you have to eventually put your hand in your pocket at some time though. Putting off buying the new car again, could mean the existing one lets you down before the next reg comes out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:33:18 GMT 1
Changing a player is far more complicated and difficult than changing your car. At the end of the day, you have to eventually put your hand in your pocket at some time though. Putting off buying the new car again, could mean the existing one lets you down before the next reg comes out. You're more than welcome to fund this transaction and the subsequent upkeep. Many would be grateful.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 3, 2016 20:41:54 GMT 1
At the end of the day, you have to eventually put your hand in your pocket at some time though. Putting off buying the new car again, could mean the existing one lets you down before the next reg comes out. Putting your hand into your pocket doesn't guarantee success. How much did Bolton's squad cost to assemble? Wigan's? And then the colossal wages. I'm perfectly happy with the way we are operating. We'd be better off putting our hand in our pocket and brown paper enveloping a few referees. Those players we have are good enough for a mid-table finish and that's exactly where we would be if our matches were officiated fairly. Love how folk bang on about players when the most influential man on a football pitch by a LONG way is the one dressed in black.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:42:16 GMT 1
At the end of the day, you have to eventually put your hand in your pocket at some time though. Putting off buying the new car again, could mean the existing one lets you down before the next reg comes out. You're more than welcome to fund this transaction and the subsequent upkeep. Many would be grateful. Cough. Cough. Butterfield, Coady, Smithies, rest of Rhodes money, massive squad wage bill reduction.... The money should already be available. We were told it was, but now want to wait until the summer for the same targets apparently. If you believe the PR that is. If we do get relegated, at least some in here will wake up and smell the coffee. What the club is doing is a huge gamble and may not pay off. We do not have the strength in depth for a relegation battle.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 20:44:33 GMT 1
Not at all.... reg posh is a nonsense More the type of person that would buy the best model of that line of car the manufacturer makes,then modify with further improvements like custom made long life exhaust, headlight upgrade, long life plugs and performance air filter. use the best oil and service regular That's alright if your salary (ie gate attendance) will facilitate that. Let me ask you a question , and i ask it in the spirit of having a learned debate not point scoring and all that. Is the model of self sustainability working for us? Revenue streams outside of selling our best players have not dramatically increased to levels where absorbing player sales are not required have they? How long do we give it? How do we get the crowds to levels that will allow self sustainability... do we do that by a team that gets results or just plays well or both? How do you get a team to really gel play for each other if every saleable assett is sold time and time again? Or wouldnt the sensible approach see a reasonable percentage of profit gained spent on proper signings where needed, not loans which is what i have said for ages and guess vwhat Wagner agrees with me on. I believe our current approach all be it with more exciting football , sees us stuck in a rut. Its a chicken and egg situation where we are trying to square the circle. The idiots who call for me to go support qpr or some other high rollers are bang off the mark. I am not and never will advocate we chuck money at it left right and ctre and especially money we dont have, but at the same time i would expect and feel truly dissapointed that the club i have watched for 37 years can fumble their way from one season to the next without addressing what seems like the ever constant issues at striker and ctre back, especially since the club has raised many millions season after season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:44:49 GMT 1
At the end of the day, you have to eventually put your hand in your pocket at some time though. Putting off buying the new car again, could mean the existing one lets you down before the next reg comes out. Putting your hand into your pocket doesn't guarantee success. How much did Bolton's squad cost to assemble? Wigan's? And then the colossal wages. I'm perfectly happy with the way we are operating. We'd be better off putting our hand in our pocket and brown paper enveloping a few referees. Those players we have are good enough for a mid-table finish and that's exactly where we would be if our matches were officiated fairly. Love how folk bang on about players when the most influential man on a football pitch by a LONG way is the one dressed in black. True, but it's hardly a surprise that we need at least one striker and a centre back. This has been the case for a year or so. We have funds available and a scouting network. What are they doing then, coming up with more excuses to try to survive in the cheap again and hang onto the cash?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 3, 2016 20:45:55 GMT 1
Sorry to hear you have a touch of the splutters Marcus... Must have been why you pissed off for two weeks .. hope mummy kept the hot water bottle warm for you
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Post by araucaria on Feb 3, 2016 20:58:11 GMT 1
You're more than welcome to fund this transaction and the subsequent upkeep. Many would be grateful. Cough. Cough. Butterfield, Coady, Smithies, rest of Rhodes money, massive squad wage bill reduction.... The money should already be available. We were told it was, but now want to wait until the summer for the same targets apparently. If you believe the PR that is. If we do get relegated, at least some in here will wake up and smell the coffee. What the club is doing is a huge gamble and may not pay off. We do not have the strength in depth for a relegation battle. Huge gamble? Bookies still offering 22–1 on us going down. Have a huge gamble on that.
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Feb 3, 2016 20:58:55 GMT 1
You're more than welcome to fund this transaction and the subsequent upkeep. Many would be grateful. Cough. Cough. Butterfield, Coady, Smithies, rest of Rhodes money, massive squad wage bill reduction.... The money should already be available. We were told it was, but now want to wait until the summer for the same targets apparently. If you believe the PR that is. If we do get relegated, at least some in here will wake up and smell the coffee. What the club is doing is a huge gamble and may not pay off. We do not have the strength in depth for a relegation battle. Splutter, splutter. If we get relegated (which we won't) I hereby promise to wake up and smell the coffee to the extent I will delete my account. If on the other hand we finish the season comfortably safe (which we will) and strengthen impressively in the Summer, will you delete your account ? It will make this board a much better place free from your monotonous ramblings. Oh, and by the way, no sneaking back with a new username because everyone has blocked you
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 3, 2016 21:03:24 GMT 1
I can't understand why folk are getting so het up over the OP. Its a football forum where we all have opinions and often disagree with each other. If everybody wants to piss in the same pot then maybe they ought to defect to the flag waving forum, but as somebody said above some/most of them have comeback under a different username, which indicates that the sort of debate we have on here is more to their liking. Whilst the OP may have gone a bit over the top, its only what we should expect from him and I read it with a smile on my face rather than some of the cringeworthy stuff that is posted sucking up to hierarchy no matter what they do or don't do. Town are playing a dangerous game here by deferring some of these signings until the summer when numerous clubs will be in the market place. At the moment under Wagner we are taking two steps forward and one back with a defence that clearly isn't good enough to fulfil our ambitions. A short term loan may sort that out and I for one think we should have sorted this out in the January window. We'll have a lot better chance of attracting good players in the summer if they can see that we are a club that's going places, rather than one that's just content with survival. He raises some valid points and so what if it's a bit simplistic at times. However, he is damning to a quite an astonishing level. Sack X, sack Y, X is a liar, etc. This is so strong when most of it is based on assumptions. He has gone beyond the boundaries of what's acceptable and this is probably the straw that broke the camel's back. Besides, I think he's thick skinned anyway. Next time DH is doing a Q&A, we should make it DH meets Parky and I'll pay for his taxis from town to Canalside and Canalside to the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:06:56 GMT 1
Cough. Cough. Butterfield, Coady, Smithies, rest of Rhodes money, massive squad wage bill reduction.... The money should already be available. We were told it was, but now want to wait until the summer for the same targets apparently. If you believe the PR that is. If we do get relegated, at least some in here will wake up and smell the coffee. What the club is doing is a huge gamble and may not pay off. We do not have the strength in depth for a relegation battle. Huge gamble? Bookies still offering 22–1 on us going down. Have a huge gamble on that. That market mysteriously lowered then disappeared at Winner. I ended up with 20:1 at SkyBet. £20 can do one if we manage to stay up, but £400 if we go down will soften the blow a little.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:18:44 GMT 1
Huge gamble? Bookies still offering 22–1 on us going down. Have a huge gamble on that. That market mysteriously lowered then disappeared at Winner. I ended up with 20:1 at SkyBet. £20 can do one if we manage to stay up, but £400 if we go down will soften the blow a little. Never mind all this 'if you believe the PR' and coughing bollocks. What type of supporter bets on the team he supports to go down? If you ever go to a Town match (which I doubt you do), do you boo when we win? Are you gutted? All this soften the blow bit. Pathetic. I don't need to wake up and smell the coffee either. Thanks all the same. I find it gets in the way of supporting the greatest club on earth, our club. And I'm proud of that. Like my dad is. Like his dad was. And I'll be proud of it until the day I die. I'm genuinely sorry that you don't have this feeling. Because it is truly indescribable. I'll get off now as your percolator is probably over boiling. You'll have smelt it first though.
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Post by parkyp on Feb 3, 2016 21:25:49 GMT 1
Honestly I couldn't care as long as we remain a championship club. Just the team that's hard to beat. Teams know it's going to be hard to get three points out of. We have the coach and he likes the players. Why does any of this matter if we have money or not? Stability suits me down to the ground it's how all good football clubs are run.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Feb 3, 2016 21:38:04 GMT 1
To extend Otium's point many of our best players recently were obtained fairly cheaply. Butterfield was not getting a game at Middlesborough and was happy to come to Town where he flourished. As soon as a club with more potential came knocking he was away. Coady the same. Rhodes, OK it was silly money, but he wanted away as well. Even if we were prepared to spend big money on players we would be competing against clubs with more appeal and the wages would be crazy for a club like us. Back to Otium's point, we have done best with players we have brought in cheaply and improved, and I hope Jordi becomes one of those. I also hope to see Academy players flourishing as well. We actually look to have a consistent style right through the club now. As another poster said it is more about building a team. I think it is unlikely, given other clubs greater pulling power and parachute payments, we will pulling any stars. For me that is not a problem. I just want the club to build a team I enjoy watching and who can compete.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:57:00 GMT 1
That market mysteriously lowered then disappeared at Winner. I ended up with 20:1 at SkyBet. £20 can do one if we manage to stay up, but £400 if we go down will soften the blow a little. Never mind all this 'if you believe the PR' and coughing bollocks. What type of supporter bets on the team he supports to go down? A realist. The bet is to soften the blow when the club's plan to hang on to the cash from last summer and try to stay up on the cheap, goes pear shaped. It's £20, so I''d rather lose it and stay in the championship. I'd say it's about 50/50 at the moment, due to a very thin squad, already pushing the limit of loans. This could make things very difficult in a couple of months.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 22:02:00 GMT 1
Crap thread. Nuff said.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 3, 2016 22:05:48 GMT 1
Never mind all this 'if you believe the PR' and coughing bollocks. What type of supporter bets on the team he supports to go down? A realist. The bet is to soften the blow when the club's plan to hang on to the cash from last summer and try to stay up on the cheap, goes pear shaped. It's £20, so I''d rather lose it and stay in the championship. I'd say it's about 50/50 at the moment, due to a very thin squad, already pushing the limit of loans. This could make things very difficult in a couple of months. Ever thought that instead of spending £20 on a bet you could maybe look at ways of supporting the club? You've got a lot to say but no skin in the game. If season tickets are £200 next year, maybe buy one and donate it if you can't get back up North? Others do.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 22:23:05 GMT 1
I can't understand why folk are getting so het up over the OP. Its a football forum where we all have opinions and often disagree with each other. If everybody wants to piss in the same pot then maybe they ought to defect to the flag waving forum, but as somebody said above some/most of them have comeback under a different username, which indicates that the sort of debate we have on here is more to their liking. Whilst the OP may have gone a bit over the top, its only what we should expect from him and I read it with a smile on my face rather than some of the cringeworthy stuff that is posted sucking up to hierarchy no matter what they do or don't do. Town are playing a dangerous game here by deferring some of these signings until the summer when numerous clubs will be in the market place. At the moment under Wagner we are taking two steps forward and one back with a defence that clearly isn't good enough to fulfil our ambitions. A short term loan may sort that out and I for one think we should have sorted this out in the January window. We'll have a lot better chance of attracting good players in the summer if they can see that we are a club that's going places, rather than one that's just content with survival. He raises some valid points and so what if it's a bit simplistic at times. However, he is damning to a quite an astonishing level. Sack X, sack Y, X is a liar, etc. This is so strong when most of it is based on assumptions. He has gone beyond the boundaries of what's acceptable and this is probably the straw that broke the camel's back. Besides, I think he's thick skinned anyway. Next time DH is doing a Q&A, we should make it DH meets Parky and I'll pay for his taxis from town to Canalside and Canalside to the ground. Well i might as well i have met most of the others. Please do let me know where the boundaries are on posting on here and of course the boundaries for the discussion to come. As for the taxi no thanks wouldnt want to be indebted to you.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 3, 2016 22:46:59 GMT 1
He raises some valid points and so what if it's a bit simplistic at times. However, he is damning to a quite an astonishing level. Sack X, sack Y, X is a liar, etc. This is so strong when most of it is based on assumptions. He has gone beyond the boundaries of what's acceptable and this is probably the straw that broke the camel's back. Besides, I think he's thick skinned anyway. Next time DH is doing a Q&A, we should make it DH meets Parky and I'll pay for his taxis from town to Canalside and Canalside to the ground. Well i might as well i have met most of the others. Please do let me know where the boundaries are on posting on here and of course the boundaries for the discussion to come. As for the taxi no thanks wouldnt want to be indebted to you. You wouldn't be indebted, as I would be gaining from it too Just think you're pretty crass when you go out on a limb and call DH a liar or suggest scouts scouts should be sacked, etc. If things were clearer- fair enough. However, they're far from it! I don't disagree at all with where you say we are weak or that it's disappointing we always have to rebuild. It's just not remotely as easy to address as you seem to imply.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 23:23:02 GMT 1
I can post without sensitivity yes i know but not without intelligence. I am glad that dare i say in the broader sense we agree. It was quite some time ago i think when i suggested the scouts should be sacked but for every one gem we always seem to amass a few duds, which is compounded by the fact we persist with them and i think since we have to make every penny count the club would have demanded more from them as they did the academy.
By the way i have attended loads of meetings and given both praise and raised the odd difficult question, when that is i could get the mic off the usual crew if you know what i mean.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 3, 2016 23:40:48 GMT 1
I can post without sensitivity yes i know but not without intelligence. I am glad that dare i say in the broader sense we agree. It was quite some time ago i think when i suggested the scouts should be sacked but for every one gem we always seem to amass a few duds, which is compounded by the fact we persist with them and i think since we have to make every penny count the club would have demanded more from them as they did the academy. By the way i have attended loads of meetings and given both praise and raised the odd difficult question, when that is i could get the mic off the usual crew if you know what i mean. Is it not entirely contradictory to criticize the club for not spending the windfall they have received from good scouting in the past? If you don't believe in DH's plan (which to others, including me, seems eminently sensible) fair enough - but we continue to play at a higher level than the past 40+ years have suggested we should be. To punch above our weight means being smarter than splashing out on vanity signings and, instead, get a way to compete which differentiates from the norm. We are less than 4 months in to that plan - try and get your head away from the traditional paths and enjoy the development.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 3, 2016 23:54:34 GMT 1
I can post without sensitivity yes i know but not without intelligence. I am glad that dare i say in the broader sense we agree. It was quite some time ago i think when i suggested the scouts should be sacked but for every one gem we always seem to amass a few duds, which is compounded by the fact we persist with them and i think since we have to make every penny count the club would have demanded more from them as they did the academy. By the way i have attended loads of meetings and given both praise and raised the odd difficult question, when that is i could get the mic off the usual crew if you know what i mean. Is it not entirely contradictory to criticize the club for not spending the windfall they have received from good scouting in the past? If you don't believe in DH's plan (which to others, including me, seems eminently sensible) fair enough - but we continue to play at a higher level than the past 40+ years have suggested we should be. To punch above our weight means being smarter than splashing out on vanity signings and, instead, get a way to compete which differentiates from the norm. We are less than 4 months in to that plan - try and get your head away from the traditional paths and enjoy the development. Steady on i did say for e very one gem we amass a few duds, which aknowledges we do get some right.....then sell them Like i keep saying i like Wagner and his approach, i like his honesty and the more exciting style he has brought ( except last couple of games where performance was not replicated and acknowledged as such by DW) We have got i do believe that side of things right.
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Post by y2troy on Feb 4, 2016 0:01:27 GMT 1
Like the plan of the club hate the plan of the club ,thats what it is and we still flock in week after week as we love the club ... We have underachieved for many years and no doubt over achieve at some point. You can see what the manager is trying to do and knows what he wants but if the players are not available for the system he wants then i would rather do what we have been doing for rest of season as i dont think we will go down as think we got tpo much about us for that .
Next season clearout buy whatever DW needs ,full pre season... leave the past in the past whatever happened and whoever been sold for X amount ,whatever we are in a new era now where this fella managing club needs everything united and if he gets right as from top said gonna do all he can to back this man an from what we seen done good with players got so imagine what gonna be like with his touch on squad.
Money doesnt buy success ,continuity does and having an identity how we play who we are and going into a game knowing we can win it rather in the hope we may win it ,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 9:26:28 GMT 1
A realist. The bet is to soften the blow when the club's plan to hang on to the cash from last summer and try to stay up on the cheap, goes pear shaped. It's £20, so I''d rather lose it and stay in the championship. I'd say it's about 50/50 at the moment, due to a very thin squad, already pushing the limit of loans. This could make things very difficult in a couple of months. Ever thought that instead of spending £20 on a bet you could maybe look at ways of supporting the club? You've got a lot to say but no skin in the game. If season tickets are £200 next year, maybe buy one and donate it if you can't get back up North? Others do. Strange that you've not had a reply to this...
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Post by 5kippy on Feb 4, 2016 9:54:25 GMT 1
Ever thought that instead of spending £20 on a bet you could maybe look at ways of supporting the club? You've got a lot to say but no skin in the game. If season tickets are £200 next year, maybe buy one and donate it if you can't get back up North? Others do. Strange that you've not had a reply to this... They're a bit tight down south! UTT TTID
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 4, 2016 10:20:55 GMT 1
Original Post got 1 like and 9 dislikes (1 dislike is pretty rare) First reply ("Fuck Off") got 33 likes and 0 dislikes
Confirming that, reassuringly, there is huge backing for Dean Hoyle and the club at present - even if some fans are disappointed in the January dealings and believe mistakes have been made, the overwhelming mood seems to be that DH and co are currently doing their very best to make our club better and more successful.
It also suggests there is a small minority on this board completely out of kilter with the rest of us - so how about a new board (similar to the SOTC splinter), maybe called "I want the fucking lot but ain't going to lift a finger to help - and until I get it I'll just sit here and whinge"? Maybe a bit long that name.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 10:29:40 GMT 1
A realist. The bet is to soften the blow when the club's plan to hang on to the cash from last summer and try to stay up on the cheap, goes pear shaped. It's £20, so I''d rather lose it and stay in the championship. I'd say it's about 50/50 at the moment, due to a very thin squad, already pushing the limit of loans. This could make things very difficult in a couple of months. Ever thought that instead of spending £20 on a bet you could maybe look at ways of supporting the club? You've got a lot to say but no skin in the game. If season tickets are £200 next year, maybe buy one and donate it if you can't get back up North? Others do. Right, so you want me to pay to not watch the players who the club have not replaced or bought....
If the club stops hanging onto transfer money, which will have been for an entire season, I'm sure many more will stop hanging on to their season ticket money.
Will I buy one to not attend... No. I'm not that generous. They'll just get my Town Player membership, on the day tickets to a few matches and merchandise, which totals over £200 a year.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 4, 2016 10:32:57 GMT 1
Original Post got 1 like and 9 dislikes (1 dislike is pretty rare) First reply ("Fuck Off") got 33 likes and 0 dislikesConfirming that, reassuringly, there is huge backing for Dean Hoyle and the club at present - even if some fans are disappointed in the January dealings and believe mistakes have been made, the overwhelming mood seems to be that DH and co are currently doing their very best to make our club better and more successful. It also suggests there is a small minority on this board completely out of kilter with the rest of us - so how about a new board (similar to the SOTC splinter), maybe called "I want the fucking lot but ain't going to lift a finger to help - and until I get it I'll just sit here and whinge"? Maybe a bit long that name. It just shows the immaturity of some folk on here if they have to resort to abuse when they disagree with someone else's point of view. A more sensible approach would have been to counteract his arguments with some of their own. Some people have and some people have taken the easy route.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 10:35:52 GMT 1
Ever thought that instead of spending £20 on a bet you could maybe look at ways of supporting the club? You've got a lot to say but no skin in the game. If season tickets are £200 next year, maybe buy one and donate it if you can't get back up North? Others do. Right, so you want me to pay to not watch the players who the club have not replaced or bought....
If the club stops hanging onto transfer money, which will have been for an entire season, I'm sure many more will stop hanging on to their season ticket money.
Will I buy one to not attend... No. I'm not that generous. They'll just get my Town Player membership, on the day tickets to a few matches and merchandise, which totals over £200 a year.
Am I right in thinking you've only attended one game all season and that was because someone bought you the ticket as an Xmas present? It's a good job most people don't have the same view of what supporting a club involves as you do.
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