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Post by wtd on Feb 6, 2016 19:24:06 GMT 1
And if that had been the first thing eforb had picked up on, instead of having a sly dig at Matmour, then I might have had some understanding of his original post. Instead he immediately took issue with a guy he's only ever seen play once and whom he didn't even see play AT ALL today. For the record, I have no problem with Boyle... I think his manager might have let himself down a little today, though. Hopefully he'll learn quickly. I thought you were meant to be bright? Tell me where I have made a dig at Matt Moore today? I have had a dig at the manager for making a positional substitution that handed the impetus to PNE on a plate. Please read again and understand. I said only 'a sly dig'.... Wagner's substitution of Matt Moore for Lolley allowed PNE to gain the impetus for the last half hour ... and, after your instant damning and inexplicable reaction to his first performance last week... you know it was a dig. But, you know what, I really can't be bothered getting into into this petty shit anymore. As you said earlier, these are your opinions and you have a right to them. I really can't be arsed with this stuff anymore. Spout whatever you like. None of it ever gets us anywhere.
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 6, 2016 19:38:04 GMT 1
Ok we are all frustrated but where is the evidence that if you have less possession and create fewer chance you win more games over bthe whole season and in the long run ? The point I am making is,the real problem is up front not the defence as most people seem to think,as in a lot of games we have the lions share of possession n chances but are unable to convert,we can't keep saying the opposition keeper had a blinder as an excuse,I don't pretend to know the answer but we have find the back of the net regularly and soon. But we score as many goals as most teams in this league no? www.soccerstats.com/latest.asp?league=england2second highest goalscorers in league in last 8 games
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 20:09:09 GMT 1
Who Town? Give over, we are own worst enemy on the pitch and off it, a decent striker would have been walking away with the match ball tonight, instead we persist with Wells, who scores one goal for every 5 chances. To be fair to Wells he is carrying the goal scoring duties himself, he needs someone to take the pressure off him and help out but he needs to improve his strike rate for this league. From what I've heard a read Wells was far from on his own in missing chances. The burden for scoring goals should not fall on one player. We would all like him to take a few more chances, but he is scoring for us regularly. What about some help from his team mates? You are correct we do lack the killer instinkt in the last third but wells need help and overall we deserved at least a point but thats how it is at the moment.
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Post by jqhtfc on Feb 6, 2016 20:20:37 GMT 1
Well what a strange game, bossed it for 80 minutes and Preston were chasing shadows but you have to take your chances when they come along and today we had enough to win too games of football. A lot will be made of the Boyle subsitution but Wagner was looking for a goal so went 352 in my opinion it wasn't the defence that cost us it was our inability to take chances.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Feb 6, 2016 20:38:49 GMT 1
Since DW came in I've been Mr Positive. For the 5 games I've been to under the Wagner regime I can definitely see we are well on course to becoming a good championship side. Problem now is after losing 4 in a row questions will be asked by fans and maybe the players themselves, and everyones going to get nervous. They shouldn't. We need points desperately now to keep us on course. Yes OK we need a striker but lets get that f88cking defence organised so we can get secure for this season and experiment a bit in May ready for next season. Ill take a couple of nil -nils no problem. On to Forest, a point is essential.
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Post by E4b on Feb 6, 2016 20:39:14 GMT 1
Both substitutions were dire. I must admit I listened to mixir today and can honestly say that I turned to the Missus when he made the Powellesque first substitution and said, oh shit, we are going to lose this game now. Even when Wells scored I could sense a disaster and I was not surprised one bit when it happened. I fear another relegation scrap, this manager is not God, he has lost 4 on the trot now! Surprised you didn't turn to the missus saying Lynch should be subbed a minute before he sliced ball into his own net.. And surprised Marcus didn't say that wouldn't have happened if Murray Wallace were playing Lynch has yet again been our stand out player this season, can't knock him at all.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 6, 2016 20:49:12 GMT 1
Well what a strange game, bossed it for 80 minutes and Preston were chasing shadows but you have to take your chances when they come along and today we had enough to win too games of football. A lot will be made of the Boyle subsitution but Wagner was looking for a goal so went 352 in my opinion it wasn't the defence that cost us it was our inability to take chances. That's not what he said. He had accepted a point and thought Preston's only threat was aerial and wanted his extra height.
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Post by jqhtfc on Feb 6, 2016 21:07:45 GMT 1
Well what a strange game, bossed it for 80 minutes and Preston were chasing shadows but you have to take your chances when they come along and today we had enough to win too games of football. A lot will be made of the Boyle subsitution but Wagner was looking for a goal so went 352 in my opinion it wasn't the defence that cost us it was our inability to take chances. That's not what he said. He had accepted a point and thought Preston's only threat was aerial and wanted his extra height. If not heard the interview as was on the way home but yeah seems that way, still though point stands missing clear oppotunities cost us that game not defending.
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Post by Stewpot on Feb 6, 2016 21:23:47 GMT 1
The truth of all the bickering between Town fans on here lies somewhere in the middle, in my opinion. Did I go today, no, live about 1,500 miles from Huddersfield but that is of no consequence, loads of absolutely die hard fans don't get to attend many games. I have been back for 3 games in the last year or so, Bolton last season 2-1, Reading FA Cup 0-1, and Rotherham United 0-2. Always turn up more in anticipation than expectation, always have done.
The last time this board seemed to pull together, was directly after DW's appointment. Many said things might have to get worse before they get better, and by that relegation to league 1 if that is what it takes was the simple true reflection of how the majority felt, in that enough is enough. If that is what it takes, so be it, read all the posts on here at the time if you are not convinced. A new era, a new style, trying to shake off the shackles of a team and club stagnating in most folks opinion on here.
It wasn't a dream start, wasn't the first win under DW a 2-0 away success at Birmingham ? After a few more false dawns at Brentford etc, we finally put a decent run together, and even talk of a top 10 or play offs were being prophesised. I thought we had a system, get the buggers fit, play high and chase every lost cause, hunt in packs. I was drooling at some of the comments from Town fans, and opposition fans as well. We looked to have turned the corner, the 5-0 at home against Charlton Athletic really got us believing again. Is that to be the pinnacle of the season ? It has all gone slightly downhill after that, players we thought not good enough before DW's arrival were proof you can polish a turd, so onwards and upwards, all plain sailing, but now those same players are now suddenly displaying again lack of belief to win football matches, taking away for a moment the style of play, which admittedly seems to draw plaudits still.
I still firmly believe we will be a much improved team come next season, where will this season end up ? - as a Town fan of 55 years on from my first ever game in 1961, no prizes for guessing - absolutely no idea. But I hope we will be still in The Championship next time around, the alternative I don't want to reflect on too much. Still think good times might still just be round the corner again, but we must stay up by whatever means - UTT !
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Post by galphamer74 on Feb 6, 2016 21:23:48 GMT 1
Why didn't we move hell & earth to improve the front & back end of this team in the transfer window?! I genuinely believe Wagner is the best manager we've had in 30 years, and the style of football we are playing is winning us more praise than we've had from opposition managers & fans in a long time. However, we are still in as much of danger of going down as we've ever been. If this team goes down it will be a tragedy and massive missed opportunity. The problem areas have been clear to see for years yet nothing has been done again. Take away the fact we have bossed a game again, and we sit here having lost again for exactly the same reasons. If we'd have signed a quality center forward & center back I think we'd be looking at top 12 given how the general standard of football has improved. I can't understand why the club has risked undoing some much good work by doing nothing in the transfer window.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Feb 6, 2016 21:38:32 GMT 1
Surprised you didn't turn to the missus saying Lynch should be subbed a minute before he sliced ball into his own net.. And surprised Marcus didn't say that wouldn't have happened if Murray Wallace were playing Lynch has yet again been our stand out player this season, can't knock him at all. Lynch could be blamed for the first goal, his clearance was shinned badly. Several at fault for the second but Lynch was out jumped by the goal scorer who wanted the ball more than him.
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Post by araucaria on Feb 6, 2016 21:49:53 GMT 1
Lynch has yet again been our stand out player this season, can't knock him at all. Lynch could be blamed for the first goal, his clearance was shinned badly. Several at fault for the second but Lynch was out jumped by the goal scorer who wanted the ball more than him. Whoever left their guy in so much space beyond the far post is to blame for the first goal. We were much better at stopping crosses coming in today so it was a real shame to let Calum Woods send in the cross for the winner. Someone wrote on page eight above that it sounded like Clarke and Woods were defending really well. As good as always, I'd say, which is why their keeper - the man of the match - was left with a one-on-one on at least seven occasions. Preston have demonstrably defended well all season, but on the two occasions I've seen them, I have no idea how. We should have beaten them 5-0 home and away.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 6, 2016 22:07:11 GMT 1
2 shit goals conceded.. the rest about possession and chances and prospects and positives are the same as our last defeat..
there will always be next week with town till we run out of next weeks..then it will be summer and and next season etc..
for all those that didnt go, we at the game could see it coming as soon as we scored.. de ja vu..
next second we allow unneccessary pressure and we dick ourselves.. we then contrive a way to lose a game we never looked like losing.. free header..
its unfortunately fairly predictable..
still there is always next week and the week after..i wish to fuck I had that fallback time after time after time..
billing did ok.. cant go down the chances road again, we miss em or bollox it up at the last week in week out, its hard to say wether we would have scored enough today even if we had taken them chances, we are just as likely to beat ourselves at the other end..
its hard to watch, we are 2/3 players short, same as we have been for some time.. we shoot ourselves in the foot...
no idea about the subs today, neither had wagner..
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Post by sudbury on Feb 6, 2016 22:25:05 GMT 1
To finish the game without Lolley, Bunn and Paterson was a huge mistake, as was the bringing on of our young defender. But their 2nd goal was scored because we didn't challenge the scorer adequately. But, neverless, for much of the game Preston were made to look second rate. I'm a big supporter of Wagner's methods, but I think he made mistakes with the subs and I don't see what the Algerian brings to the table. It's along time since I've come away from a match wondering how we lost it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 6, 2016 22:41:23 GMT 1
To finish the game without Lolley, Bunn and Paterson was a huge mistake, as was the bringing on of our young defender. But their 2nd goal was scored because we didn't challenge the scorer adequately. But, neverless, for much of the game Preston were made to look second rate. I'm a big supporter of Wagner's methods, but I think he made mistakes with the subs and I don't see what the Algerian brings to the table. It's along time since I've come away from a match wondering how we lost it. ? we have contrived to lose games and draw games that we really never looked like doing so in, for quite a while now.. its almost a gift.. big arse up front, gets nothing for 90 minutes as he is pushed up and away, sitting in deep at the death he has a free header from close in.. we almost appear to work quite hard to throw it away at times.. sure as shit Preston were not going to win it on their own..
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Post by explorer on Feb 6, 2016 22:44:23 GMT 1
To finish the game without Lolley, Bunn and Paterson was a huge mistake, as was the bringing on of our young defender. But their 2nd goal was scored because we didn't challenge the scorer adequately. But, neverless, for much of the game Preston were made to look second rate. I'm a big supporter of Wagner's methods, but I think he made mistakes with the subs and I don't see what the Algerian brings to the table. It's along time since I've come away from a match wondering how we lost it. Bunn and Lolley were both poor today, the decision to replace them was correct imo. Having said that, I was saying that Wells should have come off for Elvis, but strangely his threat increased dramatically resulting in his goal and another near post effort fizzing just wide. Football management, piece of piss from Row 28, seat 117!
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Post by explorer on Feb 6, 2016 22:47:50 GMT 1
Wallace bizarrely sold ? .. I think a better use of the word would be " you're bizarrely still here " You'd have preferred Boyle on than Wallace today? I wouldn't.
I don't remember Wallace being as bad as some make out. I saw him as good backup, who we sold to save on the wage bill.
"I saw him as good back up" I doubt you ever saw him at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:03:43 GMT 1
Have any of the moaners considered that DW might not put as much importance on the Jan transfer window as the rest of UK football does? The team is still heading the right way & reckon we'll get a couple of bits of luck in the next few games that'll make us safe & then onwards to prepping for what could be a remarkable 2016/2017 season...
I've no problem that continuing to play in this fashion will see us move up the table & just remember that getting a name for attractive football isn't a bad thing when trying to attract talented players (& PL 'seconds' whose clubs need to loan them out to the right type of clubs...).
51 points still to play for...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 6, 2016 23:06:29 GMT 1
. We havent won at deepdale since 1969 Very tough, we are too cocky. 1-1 The fact we haven't won at Deepdale since '69 has absolutely no bearing on todays game.. Only the club badges & the name of the stadium remain the same. Oh really you clevr dick, just bavck, we lost, threw it away, Shame really so still not won From 1969 have we, ,?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 6, 2016 23:07:10 GMT 1
Hey Nick I think you're in examiner
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:12:05 GMT 1
You'd have preferred Boyle on than Wallace today? I wouldn't.
I don't remember Wallace being as bad as some make out. I saw him as good backup, who we sold to save on the wage bill.
"I saw him as good back up" I doubt you ever saw him at all. At least your cat doesn't hate you eh?
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 6, 2016 23:12:45 GMT 1
Remind me who said MK away was a banker 3 points for us
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 6, 2016 23:13:23 GMT 1
Have any of the moaners considered that DW might not put as much importance on the Jan transfer window as the rest of UK football does? The team is still heading the right way & reckon we'll get a couple of bits of luck in the next few games that'll make us safe & then onwards to prepping for what could be a remarkable 2016/2017 season... I've no problem that continuing to play in this fashion will see us move up the table & just remember that getting a name for attractive football isn't a bad thing when trying to attract talented players (& PL 'seconds' whose clubs need to loan them out to the right type of clubs...). 51 points still to play for... there is always next week.. travel and pay, then tell me about attractive football... the team is heading the right way?? losing isnt heading the right way.. however you dress it up..especially how we still contrive to lose games.. got a bloke in charge who turns out players but hasnt turned out a team yet..he still needs to prove himself.. 'bits of luck'?? stop missing chances and then defending like 10 year olds, you might not need the luck then??? we have had 'just doing enough' and 'its good enough' for a while now at this club.. maybe time that got knocked on the head at the same time as we try and play a bit more??? we didnt attract those pl seconds and talented players in january, if you can convince yourself they will here in droves in may then fair enough..
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Post by explorer on Feb 6, 2016 23:23:59 GMT 1
"I saw him as good back up" I doubt you ever saw him at all. At least your cat doesn't hate you eh? How do you know? You've never met him, and you never will because he never ventures further south than London, and you....wellI I think we know the rest, don't we? But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt so go on then.... how many times have you seen Murray Wallace play to help you have your "informed" opinion of him?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 7, 2016 0:10:22 GMT 1
The fact we haven't won at Deepdale since '69 has absolutely no bearing on todays game.. Only the club badges & the name of the stadium remain the same. Oh really you clevr dick, just bavck, we lost, threw it away, Shame really so still not won From 1969 have we, ,? Who you calling a clever dick? Historical fixtures don't mean a thing.. Are you implying some divine force has prevented us winning since '69? Losing today has nothing to do with any previous fixture we've played at Deepdale.. What part is difficult for you to understand?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 7, 2016 0:14:47 GMT 1
Oh really you clevr dick, just bavck, we lost, threw it away, Shame really so still not won From 1969 have we, ,? Who you calling a clever dick? Historical fixtures don't mean a thing.. Are you implying some divine force has prevented us winning since '69? Losing today has nothing to do with any previous fixture we've played at Deepdale.. What part is difficult for you to understand? Lol, it has massive bearing on games. Im calling you it. Shows we are unlucky and very niaive in games.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 7, 2016 0:18:34 GMT 1
Lynch at fault for both those goals. First one going nowhere near until swung his wrong foot and outjumped for second.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 0:26:28 GMT 1
Lynch at fault for both those goals. First one going nowhere near until swung his wrong foot and outjumped for second. I'd challenge you to do better with that OG... What d'you want him to do, let it go past him?? Coming at pace from 5 yds and you want him to sort his footwork out. Fine margins, a little squarer on his shin and they'd have just had another corner...
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Post by mightyterrier on Feb 7, 2016 0:28:14 GMT 1
Who you calling a clever dick? Historical fixtures don't mean a thing.. Are you implying some divine force has prevented us winning since '69? Losing today has nothing to do with any previous fixture we've played at Deepdale.. What part is difficult for you to understand? Lol, it has massive bearing on games. Im calling you it. Shows we are unlucky and very niaive in games. Priceless statement - so we have been niaive for 45 yrs, brilliant
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