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Post by dirtysteve on Feb 6, 2016 18:01:49 GMT 1
Since DW has taken over I'm pretty sure that in every game he's managed we've had more possession that our opponents. Today at one point we were at 84%, at half time it was 74% according to Town Square app. I'm an optimist, I have every faith in DH and DW in regards to what they want and appear to be shaping towards for Towns future. Having said that, we should really be winning at least 80% of the games we dominate. Not gonna get into transfers, money spent etc as that's been done to death. We've taken big leaps forward, the next step is burying teams we dominate. The sooner the better.
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 6, 2016 18:06:01 GMT 1
possession means nothing because a lot of teams like to sit back and counter attack. When playing teams like this any team can have high possession. possession means nothing. Lets say it again possession means nothing. possession means nothing. possession means nothing. possession means nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 18:06:18 GMT 1
We haven't taken big leaps forward as far as results and points.We have taken 8 from 18( last season 10 from 18) Position 17th as opposed to 15th.DW has as much to learn as the team does.IMO obviously.
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Post by dirtysteve on Feb 6, 2016 18:06:34 GMT 1
Possession means what?
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 6, 2016 18:07:10 GMT 1
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 6, 2016 18:10:03 GMT 1
Depends where you have possession. We tend to have the vast majority of it in our own half.
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Post by E4b on Feb 6, 2016 18:10:20 GMT 1
What is the point of working the bollocks off the players in order to keep most of the possession, do nowt with it until we tire out and allow the opposition to mug us? It looks like other teams have got us 100% sussed. It is beginning to become a regular occurrence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 18:11:10 GMT 1
Still think Simon Grayson is the best manager we've had in recent years.
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Post by ACW on Feb 6, 2016 18:13:08 GMT 1
possession means nothing because a lot of teams like to sit back and counter attack. When playing teams like this any team can have high possession. possession means nothing. Lets say it again possession means nothing. possession means nothing. possession means nothing. possession means nothing. Thing is, when we don't have much possession we also struggle. Our defence is crap no matter how much possession we had. We are just as likely to concede and lose if we sit back and try and nick a result a large Powell as we are playing a more possession-based attacking style as we do now. The problem is our defence is crap. NOT the style of play in itself. Add in the fact that we need too many chances to score and it's no wonder results aren't going for us But I repeat: the style of play isn't the problem. The personnel at the back are. And that would be the case whatever style we play.
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Post by yanfan on Feb 6, 2016 18:15:19 GMT 1
Peter Clarke on the radio questioned the bringing of Boyle on in injury time and changing our formation.Also said Hogg got the ball over the line which the ref and liner missed however I'm now beginning to question Wagner.Possession doesn't count for Jack its points that keep you in the championship not possession!
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Post by ACW on Feb 6, 2016 18:16:12 GMT 1
Still think Simon Grayson is the best manager we've had in recent years. There's no doubt he's a good manager, and he did some good things for us. But the route one tactics he played at Town were awful to watch. And towards the end they weren't getting the results we wanted. Crap football and crap results mean only one thing: the sack.
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Post by dirtysteve on Feb 6, 2016 18:16:13 GMT 1
Let's hope it's addressed them and rapidly
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Feb 6, 2016 18:19:33 GMT 1
The possession enabled us to have 20 shots of which 7 were on target. Therein lies the problem. That is why top strikers cost so much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 18:21:10 GMT 1
Still think Simon Grayson is the best manager we've had in recent years. There's no doubt he's a good manager, and he did some good things for us. But the route one tactics he played at Town were awful to watch. And towards the end they weren't getting the results we wanted. Crap football and crap results mean only one thing: the sack. Injuries though. No Vaughan or Beckford for alot of his spell cost him. He didn't inherit a particularly good team and when most of his first teamers were injured, he had to play the crap he inherited.
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Post by dirtysteve on Feb 6, 2016 18:27:19 GMT 1
Yeah managers need time to stamp their mark on a team, not be judged on the shite they've inherited. Had a chance to address these issues but have instead opted to wait until the summer
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Post by yanfan on Feb 6, 2016 18:36:18 GMT 1
Our defence is shit.Full stop!Peter Clarke saying that Boyle should not have been brought on so late in the game.Nahki is doing his job as lone striker it's the defence that is causing the losses.Wagner is beginning to sound repetitive with his after match interviews ie we will learn from this and carry this into our next game.I wasn't at the game.I listened to it on the radio but when we scored I still didn't feel confident that we were going to go on and win the game.We are getting found out.Teams know our defence is poor and are now happy to follow what other teams do against us which is let us have possession and score on the counter attack!
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Feb 6, 2016 18:47:03 GMT 1
See Barca and Bayern they dominate possession best 2 teams in club football surely its commendable we try to be the same all wee need is a little more composure taking the chances more focus on defence and a little more luck
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Feb 6, 2016 18:49:20 GMT 1
There's no doubt he's a good manager, and he did some good things for us. But the route one tactics he played at Town were awful to watch. And towards the end they weren't getting the results we wanted. Crap football and crap results mean only one thing: the sack. Injuries though. No Vaughan or Beckford for alot of his spell cost him. He didn't inherit a particularly good team and when most of his first teamers were injured, he had to play the crap he inherited. Diagrree Wagner is by far the best coach/manager weve had for years - SG boring typical English dullard
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 6, 2016 18:51:55 GMT 1
Injuries though. No Vaughan or Beckford for alot of his spell cost him. He didn't inherit a particularly good team and when most of his first teamers were injured, he had to play the crap he inherited. Diagrree Wagner is by far the best coach/manager weve had for years - SG boring typical English dullard how can you say that when he has not achieved anything?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 18:52:17 GMT 1
Defense is obviously the biggest issue. We hardly ever win 1-0 because we concede almost every game. Never relax until we are 3 up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 18:54:09 GMT 1
Injuries though. No Vaughan or Beckford for alot of his spell cost him. He didn't inherit a particularly good team and when most of his first teamers were injured, he had to play the crap he inherited. Diagrree Wagner is by far the best coach/manager weve had for years - SG boring typical English dullard 4 promotions to his name though. Got a good record at championship level. Managed to get the best out of Brandon, Rachubka, Taylor-Fletcher, Woods, Clarke, Parker, Flynn and Beckford.
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Post by ACW on Feb 6, 2016 19:00:05 GMT 1
Diagrree Wagner is by far the best coach/manager weve had for years - SG boring typical English dullard 4 promotions to his name though. Got a good record at championship level. Managed to get the best out of Brandon, Rachubka, Taylor-Fletcher, Woods, Clarke, Parker, Flynn and Beckford. Grayson has clearly done well as a manager. I am not a fan of his long ball tactics but they have obviously worked for him at the clubs he has managed. It's too early to judge Wagner. He may go on to achieve more than Grayson, he may not. This is his first managerial role so is impossible to compare. The one thing I will say is this: I'd much rather watch a Wagner team than a Grayson one. I used to get neck ache watching Town under Grayson!
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Post by yanfan on Feb 6, 2016 19:03:30 GMT 1
Most of the time during Wagners reign people have said (and Wagner did today) that it's the fact that we are not taking our chances which is the problem.Is there anyone else out there that disagrees with this? Or is it just me? We are scoring goals.Nahki is now scoring regularly--In our last four games we have let in 12 goals which is simply put-shit! We have scored six in the same games which should have brought us some points!
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Post by dirtysteve on Feb 6, 2016 19:14:26 GMT 1
Defence is leaking and we need to address our striking options. Been told to wait til summer, but heard this before. We are seriously going places, the summer will tell the fans to show up or stay at home
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 6, 2016 19:15:28 GMT 1
Most of the time during Wagners reign people have said (and Wagner did today) that it's the fact that we are not taking our chances which is the problem.Is there anyone else out there that disagrees with this? Or is it just me? We are scoring goals.Nahki is now scoring regularly--In our last four games we have let in 12 goals which is simply put-shit! We have scored six in the same games which should have brought us some points! Im with you on this Yan. 1.5 goals per game scored. 2 goals per game concended. we cannot continue to leak goals at this rate, especially when you consider how much possession weve had in several of those games.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Feb 6, 2016 19:19:33 GMT 1
Diagrree Wagner is by far the best coach/manager weve had for years - SG boring typical English dullard how can you say that when he has not achieved anything? Im going on purely on entertainment and he has achieved alot in that department, depends how u judge it and what context yuo put ot all in....have patience he will prove me right and the big boys will come in for Wagner
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 6, 2016 19:42:42 GMT 1
how can you say that when he has not achieved anything? Im going on purely on entertainment and he has achieved alot in that department, depends how u judge it and what context yuo put ot all in....have patience he will prove me right and the big boys will come in for Wagner I dont even know what to say to that.
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Post by ACW on Feb 6, 2016 19:54:11 GMT 1
Im going on purely on entertainment and he has achieved alot in that department, depends how u judge it and what context yuo put ot all in....have patience he will prove me right and the big boys will come in for Wagner I dont even know what to say to that. He's saying the football is more entertaining under Wagner than under some of our previous managers. I would tend to agree although its really frustrating the results are not great. I know some fans only care about the result, and losing even in an entertaining game means little, but I watch Town and football in general to enjoy the spectacle. Don't get me wrong, the result is the most important thing, but the manner of the performance is also very important to me. We can all discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the manager and players, but irrespective of the results I think most would agree the general level of entertainment has gone up since Wagner arrived. Results will ultimately judge Wagner as a manager, but IMO if there is any justice in the world the football he wants to play will start to get the results it deserves when we add a bit more quality to the team. Unfortunately, fairness often has little to do with football. Here's hoping though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 20:29:46 GMT 1
Peter Clarke on the radio questioned the bringing of Boyle on in injury time and changing our formation.Also said Hogg got the ball over the line which the ref and liner missed however I'm now beginning to question Wagner.Possession doesn't count for Jack its points that keep you in the championship not possession! Wasnt there, but it just sounded like Boyle had a bit of a nightmare few minutes when he came on. He doesn't slice the ball twice, or Manu's shot goes in, and we've won the game, and everyone is praising Wagner for blooding another youngster. We dust down and go again, it's history.
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Post by wtd on Feb 6, 2016 23:21:08 GMT 1
Diagrree Wagner is by far the best coach/manager weve had for years - SG boring typical English dullard how can you say that when he has not achieved anything? Well give him a chance!!!
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