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Post by richhtfc on Jan 15, 2017 10:16:44 GMT 1
Wednesday lacked any creativity in the first half and Huddersfield had plenty of the ball ...but we let you. Carlos changes his tactics in the second and you simply couldn't handle us...it became  after of attacks. You do have lots of possession but you didn't hurt us...and that's what you have to do as we were patient and pounced in the second half. Twice now this season and twice last Carlos as outwitted wagners tactics and it's nothing about luck...the red card was 100 per cent red even your manager was shaking his head at his own player going off too . Think you might scrape it in the top six ...gunna be interesting with Leeds too . Was it bollocks a red, it was barely a yellow, we absolutely battered you first half it looked like Prem versus League 2. Yes that's 4 times Carvahal and the referee have done a job on us despite us being better than you for large parts. Your luck against us will run out soon. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 15, 2017 10:31:39 GMT 1
Don't agree with that, one thing we are is consistent and unflappable in our approach, far as I can see it doesn't make any difference whether we're in front or behind. How many times have we come from being behind to win this season? Once. How many times have we lost after going ahead this season though? |
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Post by conman on Jan 15, 2017 10:32:25 GMT 1
Wednesday lacked any creativity in the first half and Huddersfield had plenty of the ball ...but we let you. Carlos changes his tactics in the second and you simply couldn't handle us...it became after of attacks. You do have lots of possession but you didn't hurt us...and that's what you have to do as we were patient and pounced in the second half. Twice now this season and twice last Carlos as outwitted wagners tactics and it's nothing about luck...the red card was 100 per cent red even your manager was shaking his head at his own player going off too . Think you might scrape it in the top six ...gunna be interesting with Leeds too . Was it bollocks a red, it was barely a yellow, we absolutely battered you first half it looked like Prem versus League 2. Yes that's 4 times Carvahal and the referee have done a job on us despite us being better than you for large parts. Your luck against us will run out soon. In the playoffs no doubt. |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jan 15, 2017 10:40:42 GMT 1
So the Wednesday fans are saying that Calvahal is a better manager than Wagner because his game plan was to be outplayed first half and gamble on us missing 2/3 very presentable chances before they foul someone and score a 30 yard screamer.
If that was his game plan then fair play.
It seems more that his game plan didn't work and he had to rely on generous refereeing and someone scoring a wonder goal from distance.
We are a better striker away from beating Wednesday constantly as we usually have the better of the play. You certainly can't tell that their team cost 3/4 times more than ours and that their players are being paid 2/3 times more than ours.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 15, 2017 10:51:37 GMT 1
Wednesday lacked any creativity in the first half and Huddersfield had plenty of the ball ...but we let you. Carlos changes his tactics in the second and you simply couldn't handle us...it became after of attacks. You do have lots of possession but you didn't hurt us...and that's what you have to do as we were patient and pounced in the second half. Twice now this season and twice last Carlos as outwitted wagners tactics and it's nothing about luck...the red card was 100 per cent red even your manager was shaking his head at his own player going off too . Think you might scrape it in the top six ...gunna be interesting with Leeds too . Was it bollocks a red, it was barely a yellow, we absolutely battered you first half it looked like Prem versus League 2. Yes that's 4 times Carvahal and the referee have done a job on us despite us being better than you for large parts. Your luck against us will run out soon. I agree having seen the sending off again that it was a yellow at worst but this 'we battered you' bollocks is ridiculous. If you're saying that, I'd have to question if you were there. We were the better team in the first half, had a lot of the ball and put some decent moves together at times but there was very little end product. The Lowe free kick and the header in the first minute were our best chances. Second half Wednesday changed their tactics and snuffed us out. Seems to me sometimes we don't really have much of 'plan b' when teams snuff us out. Aside from shoving the centre backs up front. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 15, 2017 10:56:15 GMT 1
11 times out of 26 league games we have. Which considering we're 4th suggests we don't have a specific issue with how we play when we go behind. I rest my case. Not sure about that. I think it just means that when we go ahead we manage the game well. But equally we don't do very well if we go behind. Thats not particularly uncommon in football though. I think it's just Birmingham and Blackburn away where we have not held on and Villa, Blackburn home and Forest where we've turned it round. So long as we continue to get the first goal more times than not we should be fine for playoffs. If we can pick up more points from losing positing... who knows?! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 15, 2017 10:57:39 GMT 1
So the Wednesday fans are saying that Calvahal is a better manager than Wagner because his game plan was to be outplayed first half and gamble on us missing 2/3 very presentable chances before they foul someone and score a 30 yard screamer. If that was his game plan then fair play. It seems more that his game plan didn't work and he had to rely on generous refereeing and someone scoring a wonder goal from distance. We are a better striker away from beating Wednesday constantly as we usually have the better of the play. You certainly can't tell that their team cost 3/4 times more than ours and that their players are being paid 2/3 times more than ours. Think we are a better team than Wednesday and we could have deffo won that game if we had been a bit braver and taken more of a risk but for some reason we didn't. A win for us would have kept them at arms length or even a draw would have done but Wednesday won, they took their chances. Wallace had far far too much time to pick out his spot as well and the second goal was a bit of farce really. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 11:07:08 GMT 1
if moaning after a game won matches,we'd be promoted by now
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 15, 2017 11:08:54 GMT 1
Was it bollocks a red, it was barely a yellow, we absolutely battered you first half it looked like Prem versus League 2. Yes that's 4 times Carvahal and the referee have done a job on us despite us being better than you for large parts. Your luck against us will run out soon. I agree having seen the sending off again that it was a yellow at worst but this 'we battered you' bollocks is ridiculous. If you're saying that, I'd have to question if you were there. We were the better team in the first half, had a lot of the ball and put some decent moves together at times but there was very little end product. The Lowe free kick and the header in the first minute were our best chances. Second half Wednesday changed their tactics and snuffed us out. Seems to me sometimes we don't really have much of 'plan b' when teams snuff us out. Aside from shoving the centre backs up front. I was there, and think we were on a different level to them first half. I agree we could've and should've created more while we were on top. I think a fair few of our players didn't have particularly good games, Mooy in particular was below his usual standard and we missed Hogg and VLP. That, in addition to the awful decisions is what undid us. We still created opportunities with 10 men against their expensively assembled and fantastically managed team of galacticos and their clever snuffing out tactics. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 15, 2017 11:15:50 GMT 1
I agree having seen the sending off again that it was a yellow at worst but this 'we battered you' bollocks is ridiculous. If you're saying that, I'd have to question if you were there. We were the better team in the first half, had a lot of the ball and put some decent moves together at times but there was very little end product. The Lowe free kick and the header in the first minute were our best chances. Second half Wednesday changed their tactics and snuffed us out. Seems to me sometimes we don't really have much of 'plan b' when teams snuff us out. Aside from shoving the centre backs up front. I was there, and think we were on a different level to them first half. I agree we could've and should've created more while we were on top. I think a fair few of our players didn't have particularly good games, Mooy in particular was below his usual standard and we missed Hogg and VLP. That, in addition to the awful decisions is what undid us. We still created opportunities with 10 men against their expensively assembled and fantastically managed team of galacticos and their clever snuffing out tactics. Agree on Hogg, we are missing him, quite badly and probably VLP. Awful decisions? By the ref you mean? I didn't think he made any bad ones aside from the sending off, which he got wrong. It's all about results though and Wednesday got the result yesterday. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 15, 2017 11:19:02 GMT 1
I was there, and think we were on a different level to them first half. I agree we could've and should've created more while we were on top. I think a fair few of our players didn't have particularly good games, Mooy in particular was below his usual standard and we missed Hogg and VLP. That, in addition to the awful decisions is what undid us. We still created opportunities with 10 men against their expensively assembled and fantastically managed team of galacticos and their clever snuffing out tactics. Agree on Hogg, we are missing him, quite badly and probably VLP. Awful decisions? By the ref you mean? I didn't think he made any bad ones aside from the sending off, which he got wrong. It's all about results though and Wednesday got the result yesterday. You didn't think it was a foul on Wells in the run up to their goal? That was unfortunately for us a game changing wrong decision, as potentially was the sending off. |
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Post by ram on Jan 15, 2017 11:28:20 GMT 1
Playing Sheff Wed ✅ A shit ref that makes a game changing decision against Town ✅ That diving prick scores ✅ Something never change. Football can f**k off My sentiments exactly!  |
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Post by walkleyowl on Jan 15, 2017 11:36:51 GMT 1
Town looked very good in the first half, Mooy was running the game, you had chances but didn't make Westwood work, we lacked creativity, second half was different though, we upped our tempo, changed Fletcher for Win all and stopped Mooy playing. Wallace scored a screamer and we looked in control, the red looked worse live than on the replay, looked late, the second goal was perhaps undeserved but that's football. Good numbers from Town yesterday.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 15, 2017 11:40:28 GMT 1
Town looked very good in the first half, Mooy was running the game, you had chances but didn't make Westwood work, we lacked creativity, second half was different though, we upped our tempo, changed Fletcher for Win all and stopped Mooy playing. Wallace scored a screamer and we looked in control, the red looked worse live than on the replay, looked late, the second goal was perhaps undeserved but that's football. Good numbers from Town yesterday. And the foul on Wells directly before your first goal, your view?. |
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Post by walkleyowl on Jan 15, 2017 11:45:19 GMT 1
Town looked very good in the first half, Mooy was running the game, you had chances but didn't make Westwood work, we lacked creativity, second half was different though, we upped our tempo, changed Fletcher for Win all and stopped Mooy playing. Wallace scored a screamer and we looked in control, the red looked worse live than on the replay, looked late, the second goal was perhaps undeserved but that's football. Good numbers from Town yesterday. And the foul on Wells directly before your first goal, your view?. Looked a foul on the highlights, I didn't notice it so much in the actual game. |
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Post by upthetown on Jan 15, 2017 11:45:59 GMT 1
Town looked very good in the first half, Mooy was running the game, you had chances but didn't make Westwood work, we lacked creativity, second half was different though, we upped our tempo, changed Fletcher for Win all and stopped Mooy playing. Wallace scored a screamer and we looked in control, the red looked worse live than on the replay, looked late, the second goal was perhaps undeserved but that's football. Good numbers from Town yesterday. Nah. You got a fortuitous penalty at our place and won. We've had miles better shouts turned down this season. We haven't had a single penalty this season. At your place, we were comfortable first half, and looked most likely to score. Second half there was a clear foul in the build up to the goal. Welll hit strike though, granted. Also felt Payne was being fouled in the build up to his sending off, and thought yellow card would be reasonable as wasn't that bad. I'd say we looked the better team over the two games, but the fact is you came away with 6 points. I certainly prefer our style of play, league position (at least for now), and how we don't just keep throwing money at it like you do. We are clearly a striker short, which will hopefully be resolved soon. |
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Post by OperationPig on Jan 15, 2017 11:46:32 GMT 1
I agree Joe, it's the officials we need to worry about not the opposition. Leeds United are way better than Wednesday and would want to avoid them in the play-offs if possible (if we get there which I expect we will). Wednesday are a bought team and as such lack heart. We tend to beat those sides.. LOL did I just read that right ? |
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Post by OperationPig on Jan 15, 2017 11:53:53 GMT 1
For what it's worth i thought you were the better side in the first half without causing too many problems for us. We stepped it up in the second half and played with more tempo. The ref could have given a foul in the build up to the first goal but I felt both players were at it and there was no complaints from your players. The red card was a very rash challenge from your player and you can't go flying in like that now. Not sure what your manager was watching after hearing him say the second was off side. You had 2 players closer to the net than Forestieri so he couldn't have been offside. He was the big difference today as much as you all hate him. He never stopped running and showed some great skill at times. It's about time he started playing like that again as he's been poor this season. Over all it was a close game and could have gone either way. Personally I felt you lacked a cutting edge which I expect normally comes from Wells. You looked a decent side though and have improved a lot over the last 2 seasons and I don't think many sides will enjoy playing against you. Dronny, every key contentious match decision is going your way against us at the moment such as the ball blasted point blank at our place for your penalty (when we had battered you for large parts of the match). I think if your Club were on the consistent receiving end of the same decisions, your post would be somewhat different. Easy though isn't it when the key decisions are always going in your favour. Watch that game again mate (Huddersfield v Wednesday at yours) you never battered us pal we just knew your tactics and stopped you playing and comfortabley dealt with you on the day . Also if you raise your hands in the box and you touch the ball you risk it being a penalty ...get over it lad. |
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Post by dronnyowl on Jan 15, 2017 12:02:13 GMT 1
I'd take Wednesday in the play off final every day of the week. They have a lot of match winners but overall play is nothing to fear. People need to remember that we had no Hogg today and Mooy without Hogg is Mooy lite. We didn't have Hooper or Lee who would normally start for us. Most teams have players missing each game so not really an excuse |
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Post by OperationPig on Jan 15, 2017 12:05:41 GMT 1
Wednesday lacked any creativity in the first half and Huddersfield had plenty of the ball ...but we let you. Carlos changes his tactics in the second and you simply couldn't handle us...it became after of attacks. You do have lots of possession but you didn't hurt us...and that's what you have to do as we were patient and pounced in the second half. Twice now this season and twice last Carlos as outwitted wagners tactics and it's nothing about luck...the red card was 100 per cent red even your manager was shaking his head at his own player going off too . Think you might scrape it in the top six ...gunna be interesting with Leeds too . Was it bollocks a red, it was barely a yellow, we absolutely battered you first half it looked like Prem versus League 2. Yes that's 4 times Carvahal and the referee have done a job on us despite us being better than you for large parts. Your luck against us will run out soon. If you want to call keeping possession bettering us then so be it ...we stood off you and let you however we were lacklustre in the first half. Second half we upped it a gear and got into our stride and when that happened you did not have a clue how to cope and we completely gave you a footballing lesson...btw def red card, how many of your own players were protesting ? |
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Post by dronnyowl on Jan 15, 2017 12:06:39 GMT 1
I agree Joe, it's the officials we need to worry about not the opposition. Leeds United are way better than Wednesday and would want to avoid them in the play-offs if possible (if we get there which I expect we will). Wednesday are a bought team and as such lack heart. We tend to beat those sides. Leeds I have to say are showing more heart than since they have since the 90's...statistically they seem v reliant on wood though. What a load of bollocks. We have won loads of games this season from losing inclouding several last minute winners so we certainly don't lack heart. Every team is a bought team unless you have a squad of academy players or free transfers! |
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Post by OperationPig on Jan 15, 2017 12:10:34 GMT 1
Was it bollocks a red, it was barely a yellow, we absolutely battered you first half it looked like Prem versus League 2. Yes that's 4 times Carvahal and the referee have done a job on us despite us being better than you for large parts. Your luck against us will run out soon. I agree having seen the sending off again that it was a yellow at worst but this 'we battered you' bollocks is ridiculous. If you're saying that, I'd have to question if you were there. We were the better team in the first half, had a lot of the ball and put some decent moves together at times but there was very little end product. The Lowe free kick and the header in the first minute were our best chances. Second half Wednesday changed their tactics and snuffed us out. Seems to me sometimes we don't really have much of 'plan b' when teams snuff us out. Aside from shoving the centre backs up front. Good post this, obviously you went . |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jan 15, 2017 12:13:50 GMT 1
Town looked very good in the first half, Mooy was running the game, you had chances but didn't make Westwood work, we lacked creativity, second half was different though, we upped our tempo, changed Fletcher for Win all and stopped Mooy playing. Wallace scored a screamer and we looked in control, the red looked worse live than on the replay, looked late, the second goal was perhaps undeserved but that's football. Good numbers from Town yesterday. Fair assessment. |
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Post by jqhtfc on Jan 15, 2017 12:14:22 GMT 1
First half wednesday were embarrassing to watch, long ball after long ball floating over Fletcher's head to ward. Game changed on the refs decision not to blow for a clear free kick on wells it was however a fantastic strike by Wallace, red card was very harsh but with the refs we've had this season is anybody surprised and even with ten we created some half decent chances. All in all ref was shit and one decision swung the game Wednesdays way but we can't blame him for not putting away the chances we created we should have buried them and has it won first half.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 15, 2017 12:20:49 GMT 1
Was it bollocks a red, it was barely a yellow, we absolutely battered you first half it looked like Prem versus League 2. Yes that's 4 times Carvahal and the referee have done a job on us despite us being better than you for large parts. Your luck against us will run out soon. If you want to call keeping possession bettering us then so be it ...we stood off you and let you however we were lacklustre in the first half. Second half we upped it a gear and got into our stride and when that happened you did not have a clue how to cope and we completely gave you a footballing lesson...btw def red card, how many of your own players were protesting ? A footballing lesson I've never read such bollocks in my life. You were lucky and we had an off day. Spanking a worldy in and scoring against 10 men is not a footballing lesson. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 15, 2017 12:22:11 GMT 1
Dronny, every key contentious match decision is going your way against us at the moment such as the ball blasted point blank at our place for your penalty (when we had battered you for large parts of the match). I think if your Club were on the consistent receiving end of the same decisions, your post would be somewhat different. Easy though isn't it when the key decisions are always going in your favour. Watch that game again mate (Huddersfield v Wednesday at yours) you never battered us pal we just knew your tactics and stopped you playing and comfortabley dealt with you on the day . Also if you raise your hands in the box and you touch the ball you risk it being a penalty ...get over it lad. Our 'tactics' being, playing better football than you? |
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Post by buzz on Jan 15, 2017 12:23:05 GMT 1
Possession means nothing without the win! You're a good team, thats obvious! Naive tho when against teams with the ability to counter your game plan! We've suckered you lot twice this season doing exactly that!
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Post by wtd on Jan 15, 2017 12:23:14 GMT 1
Was it bollocks a red, it was barely a yellow, we absolutely battered you first half it looked like Prem versus League 2. Yes that's 4 times Carvahal and the referee have done a job on us despite us being better than you for large parts. Your luck against us will run out soon. I agree having seen the sending off again that it was a yellow at worst but this 'we battered you' bollocks is ridiculous. If you're saying that, I'd have to question if you were there. We were the better team in the first half, had a lot of the ball and put some decent moves together at times but there was very little end product. The Lowe free kick and the header in the first minute were our best chances. Second half Wednesday changed their tactics and snuffed us out. Seems to me sometimes we don't really have much of 'plan b' when teams snuff us out. Aside from shoving the centre backs up front. We already have a plan B... chuck all the big lads up front. What we need is to refine/improve plan A with a more influential/potent striker. Let's just keep working on plan A... it's what defines us and is what our success will be built on. |
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Post by bizkit on Jan 15, 2017 12:30:35 GMT 1
Wagner, not you. Just listened to interview and he gets annoyed saying we don't need a striker, Fifs, He's wrong IMO. I think he likes to make sure the lads who are in the team feel important to get the best out of them. He's not likely to say yes we need a striker because that nearly doubles the price and might upset the squad. Although upsetting nakki hopefully isn't too much of a concern to him, whatever is happening that guy needs to have a word with himself. 1 in 2.6, all he needs to do is set a target of scoring 5 more goals a season and he might get a wage rise of about 70%. I think knocking confidence might be another reason as well. |
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Post by OperationPig on Jan 15, 2017 12:39:07 GMT 1
If you want to call keeping possession bettering us then so be it ...we stood off you and let you however we were lacklustre in the first half. Second half we upped it a gear and got into our stride and when that happened you did not have a clue how to cope and we completely gave you a footballing lesson...btw def red card, how many of your own players were protesting ? A footballing lesson I've never read such bollocks in my life. You were lucky and we had an off day. Spanking a worldy in and scoring against 10 men is not a footballing lesson. Once we changed our tactics and subs second half you couldn't cope with us. Also I didn't hear any foul cries in the build up to the Wallace goal...you've all saw something that looks worse on the box after and latched onto that as an excuse. Carlos 4 wagner 0 |
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