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Post by muffinman on Apr 1, 2017 18:27:48 GMT 1
Even with his dip in form can someone explain to me why Kachunga didn't start? I can understand Quaner for Wells but not both. Away during int break? Unfortunately I'm in the play your best 11 brigade. Kachunga was made for this type of fixture and should have started IMO.
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Post by cliffeterrier on Apr 1, 2017 18:28:25 GMT 1
Disappointed to say the least, Burton were a horrible team to watch, but in the position they are in who can blame them, they went away with all 3 points job done and possibly championship football next year. Our major problem is quality up front, when a team decides to park the bus,for example Wigan, Blackburn, Burton we just do not have what it takes to break them down. The final eight or so matches will now not be so important as automatic promotion is now gone. We will make the play offs fingers crossed, but eventually when the chips are down I cannot help but think our lack of a prolific striker in the end will cost us.
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Post by buckers on Apr 1, 2017 18:31:13 GMT 1
You think Lolley and Payne played well?? They looked our only hope of finding the net. 😐
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 18:33:18 GMT 1
Today out to rest any lingering hopes of autos. Been a great season but I fear we are having a bad run right when it matters most. Hopefully we can get Hogg, Palmer and Brown back and turn it around in time for the playoffs but we have gone from challengers for autos to ineffective very quickly. Bristol was disappointing but put down to illness. Today was just a terrible result. I think getting the first XI back together and binding for the last 3-4 games will see us OK. We've been a bit disjointed with injuries, just need those lads to return and we've shown on more than the odd occasion that we're very formidable on our day...
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Post by E4b on Apr 1, 2017 18:36:28 GMT 1
They looked our only hope of finding the net. 😐 Or I suppose in your eyes Quaner was?
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Post by softboy on Apr 1, 2017 19:18:13 GMT 1
we set up today to keep everyone behind the ball and play forva point which we did not get - personally I would have playec my 2 main strikers at home to a team 4th from bottom but _____
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Post by midge on Apr 1, 2017 19:28:53 GMT 1
3 points would have taken you above us! #fuckingbottleditagain
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Post by buckers on Apr 1, 2017 19:28:57 GMT 1
Or I suppose in your eyes Quaner was? No not all, but them 2 were both as ineffective as him and gave the ball away twice as much.
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Post by dumbo on Apr 1, 2017 19:30:21 GMT 1
Yep, a team consisting of players either in their first season of English football or who were mainstays in a side that finished 19th last year, and they're only 3rd with eight games to go. Fucking bottlers Getting to the business end now darling, this is when the men are separated from the boys. You've just got dicked by four at Bristol and now today when you were supposedly going to be back at it at home against a shite Burton side. #bottlejobs Haha, well I've had a shit day, but that has cheered me up a little. Remind us, what's your record like against the current playoff teams?
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Post by buckers on Apr 1, 2017 19:30:57 GMT 1
I know how Liverpool fans feel. Play well against top half teams, but put us against a team in the bottom 6 and we struggle.
Wigan at home all over again!
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Apr 1, 2017 19:36:25 GMT 1
we set up today to keep everyone behind the ball and play forva point which we did not get - personally I would have playec my 2 main strikers at home to a team 4th from bottom but _____ Play for a point ? I agree we should have gone 2 up front earlier. They had 3 centre backs, defended on the edge of their box they set up for draw we couldnt break hem down because we didnt move the ball quick enough and payne Lolley and Coll arent good enough far too sloppy in possession - what are you on about ?
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Post by Pork Soda on Apr 1, 2017 19:36:51 GMT 1
3 points would have taken you above us! #fuckingbottleditagain Every cloud...! 😁
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Apr 1, 2017 19:44:18 GMT 1
That is your weakest post ever...highlighted by the fact that someone called "Dumbo" likes it. Its simple, when we have a rest we are rubbish, when we rotate we go backwards. Our best 11 when confident are a match for anybody, when they have not been patted on the head or won a game for a week they fall apart. We all know who the weak players who keep getting games are....so should Wagner. It's called stepping back and looking at what the stats suggest! You talk of rotation but don't list the changes made. You believe your opinion is right and try to get the stats to fit YOUR belief when they don't do that in the slightest. Wagner makes more changes when there are fewer days between matches and yet you have said we have won our last six when played in the space of THREE days - that would show his rotation is working. Look at the statistics if you are going to try and use them and open your mind before interpreting them! This is why you are a punter and not a qualified statistician. So just 1 win, 3 draws and 9 defeats after we have 5 days or more between games is not significant? Wagner rotates whether its 3 days or two weeks between games. Its not so much the rotation (although i feel that's largely unnecessary) as the fact we seem to lose impetus. 14 days between Bristol and Burton yet still 5 changes (i know 2 were enforced). If you go back you will see the same pattern. I think we thrive on confidence, we are hardly big scorers, we grind it out because of team spirit and i think that is diluted the longer the better layers go without a game. When you are winning you just cant wait to get out there again, its like this lot have forgotten what to do after a week! Virtually every league defeat has come after a hiatus...that is not a coincidence. You have your view, i have mine....i am not looking for patterns but i called it and its been shown.....resting the first team screws us up.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Apr 1, 2017 19:47:00 GMT 1
Some utter nonsense on this board as usual. Having our best season in many peoples lifetimes and one bad game brings out the gerrit forrard brigade... We've got to secure our play off spot now, that's the no. 1 priority and one we should be getting behind. If the players were to take the spineless attitude some are displaying here into the play-offs and lose, those eejits would probably miss the irony... One bad game? I think you will find its 3 straight now. Very worrying after the Newcastle performance.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 1, 2017 21:05:13 GMT 1
It's called stepping back and looking at what the stats suggest! You talk of rotation but don't list the changes made. You believe your opinion is right and try to get the stats to fit YOUR belief when they don't do that in the slightest. Wagner makes more changes when there are fewer days between matches and yet you have said we have won our last six when played in the space of THREE days - that would show his rotation is working. Look at the statistics if you are going to try and use them and open your mind before interpreting them! This is why you are a punter and not a qualified statistician. So just 1 win, 3 draws and 9 defeats after we have 5 days or more between games is not significant? Wagner rotates whether its 3 days or two weeks between games. Its not so much the rotation (although i feel that's largely unnecessary) as the fact we seem to lose impetus. 14 days between Bristol and Burton yet still 5 changes (i know 2 were enforced). If you go back you will see the same pattern. I think we thrive on confidence, we are hardly big scorers, we grind it out because of team spirit and i think that is diluted the longer the better layers go without a game. When you are winning you just cant wait to get out there again, its like this lot have forgotten what to do after a week! Virtually every league defeat has come after a hiatus...that is not a coincidence. You have your view, i have mine....i am not looking for patterns but i called it and its been shown.....resting the first team screws us up. But that list isn't exhaustive though is it? 1 win? I make it 8 in total this season! Again upon further review..... This season we have the following table. A couple of points - Reading included as you similarly did with Newcastle after the Man City games and I included the opening game which was 7 days after the last friendly. So I make it 8 wins, 3 draws and 9 losses after those rests
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 1, 2017 21:14:14 GMT 1
Some utter nonsense on this board as usual. Having our best season in many peoples lifetimes and one bad game brings out the gerrit forrard brigade... We've got to secure our play off spot now, that's the no. 1 priority and one we should be getting behind. If the players were to take the spineless attitude some are displaying here into the play-offs and lose, those eejits would probably miss the irony... One bad game? I think you will find its 3 straight now. Very worrying after the Newcastle performance. What was worrying about the Newcastle game. We didn't play badly. Could of / should of won. We didn't.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 1, 2017 21:20:13 GMT 1
We were lucky at Brentford, our luck might of run out .
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Post by ACW on Apr 1, 2017 21:21:24 GMT 1
One bad game? I think you will find its 3 straight now. Very worrying after the Newcastle performance. What was worrying about the Newcastle game. We didn't play badly. Could of / should of won. We didn't. The worrying thing for me is we haven't played as well since.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 21:26:19 GMT 1
I had a quiet respect for Burton ,clearly punching above their weight good loyal fans comfy little ground.
After that display today totally changed my view in fact would quite happily see them down .Not sour grapes either we did not deserve a result today, hesitant in the penalty box ,poor finishing ,slow play 2 very average games.
Needs a hell of an improvement Wednesday.
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Post by Giggity on Apr 1, 2017 21:39:40 GMT 1
Forget the terrible referee. What makes today's result worse is the fact that Burton are horrendous. I don't think they had a player that could control or pass a ball. Came with an anti-football game plan to time waste and intimidate the referee from the very off. Losing to them is quite worrying. Hope Wagner sorts it out pronto as that wasn't good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 22:13:30 GMT 1
Christ, we lost to a team who kidnapped the game right at the end when we were pressing.
Just like Newcastle.
Burton just got lucky, we had an off day. Stop reading all the doom & gloom scenarios that don't exist...
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Post by funkybrewer on Apr 1, 2017 22:59:05 GMT 1
Burton fan here, I registered earlier in the season to give your guys some hints and tips as to where to go pre game at the Pirelli.
I was not at the game today so I won't go on about that. I have read plenty from both sets of supporters and I would point out the following, we set up not to concede, not a bad tactic for any club really, particularly one in our situation. We did though maintain two up front all game and also introduced 3 attacking players as substitutes.
This comment (repeated more than once I think) made me smile:
"Hope burton go down and go bust."
We are a small club that for the last 20 years or so has been run as a business, we generally make a profit (with an occasional small loss). We live within our means. Our wage bill for this season is about £7 million, roughly in line with our expected income. Our record buy scored the winning goal today and cost around £250k. In rising from the Conference to the Championship we spent around £50k (and then around £500k this season).
The last accounts I can find in the Examiner (2015) tell me HTAFC's chairman has invested £37 million in the club and that it was expected to lose a further £6 million in 2016.
I wish you well and hope you don't go bust!
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Post by benhomly on Apr 1, 2017 23:03:49 GMT 1
Burton fan here, I registered earlier in the season to give your guys some hints and tips as to where to go pre game at the Pirelli. I was not at the game today so I won't go on about that. I have read plenty from both sets of supporters and I would point out the following, we set up not to concede, not a bad tactic for any club really, particularly one in our situation. We did though maintain two up front all game and also introduced 3 attacking players as substitutes. This comment (repeated more than once I think) made me smile: "Hope burton go down and go bust." We are a small club that for the last 20 years or so has been run as a business, we generally make a profit (with an occasional small loss). We live within our means. Our wage bill for this season is about £7 million, roughly in line with our expected income. Our record buy scored the winning goal today and cost around £250k. In rising from the Conference to the Championship we spent around £50k (and then around £500k this season). The last accounts I can find in the Examiner (2015) tell me HTAFC's chairman has invested £37 million in the club and that it was expected to lose a further £6 million in 2016. I wish you well and hope you don't go bust! Can't fault your lot today, you did exactly what you needed to do to win and we weren't good enough to break you down. I hope you don't go bust!
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Apr 1, 2017 23:06:07 GMT 1
Burton fan here, I registered earlier in the season to give your guys some hints and tips as to where to go pre game at the Pirelli. I was not at the game today so I won't go on about that. I have read plenty from both sets of supporters and I would point out the following, we set up not to concede, not a bad tactic for any club really, particularly one in our situation. We did though maintain two up front all game and also introduced 3 attacking players as substitutes. This comment (repeated more than once I think) made me smile: "Hope burton go down and go bust." We are a small club that for the last 20 years or so has been run as a business, we generally make a profit (with an occasional small loss). We live within our means. Our wage bill for this season is about £7 million, roughly in line with our expected income. Our record buy scored the winning goal today and cost around £250k. In rising from the Conference to the Championship we spent around £50k (and then around £500k this season). The last accounts I can find in the Examiner (2015) tell me HTAFC's chairman has invested £37 million in the club and that it was expected to lose a further £6 million in 2016. I wish you well and hope you don't go bust!
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Post by Floyds on Apr 1, 2017 23:08:58 GMT 1
Sums it up that you'd rather have Lucas Fucking Akins up front than the lad we started.
Who was the top scorer with how many goals of our starting 11?
Awful side we picked today.
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Post by ACW on Apr 1, 2017 23:12:19 GMT 1
Burton fan here, I registered earlier in the season to give your guys some hints and tips as to where to go pre game at the Pirelli. I was not at the game today so I won't go on about that. I have read plenty from both sets of supporters and I would point out the following, we set up not to concede, not a bad tactic for any club really, particularly one in our situation. We did though maintain two up front all game and also introduced 3 attacking players as substitutes. This comment (repeated more than once I think) made me smile: "Hope burton go down and go bust." We are a small club that for the last 20 years or so has been run as a business, we generally make a profit (with an occasional small loss). We live within our means. Our wage bill for this season is about £7 million, roughly in line with our expected income. Our record buy scored the winning goal today and cost around £250k. In rising from the Conference to the Championship we spent around £50k (and then around £500k this season). The last accounts I can find in the Examiner (2015) tell me HTAFC's chairman has invested £37 million in the club and that it was expected to lose a further £6 million in 2016. I wish you well and hope you don't go bust! To be fair, I think you started to go for it a bit more in the second half. I think Clough started to fancy your chances of getting more than a point from the game. And let's be honest, it was our keeper who made the save of the match even before you scored. We had a lot of our better players out, and for some strange reason we started with 3 squad players in our front four, so it wasn't our strongest side. But that's not your fault. I thought you were cynical from the off but the referee should have been stronger. Fair play for getting a result, but not the sort of tactics I like to see. That said, we were not good enough on the day. We struggle against defensive teams and today was no different. Hopefully we can find some form soon.
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Post by willo on Apr 2, 2017 0:25:22 GMT 1
Only 2 bright spots today. leeds losing always eases the pain. And the massive dropping out of the top 6. Hell, if they miss out after all the cash they have spunked recently I will laugh long into the night. 😂😂😂
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Post by impact on Apr 2, 2017 0:42:39 GMT 1
Burton fan here, I registered earlier in the season to give your guys some hints and tips as to where to go pre game at the Pirelli. I was not at the game today so I won't go on about that. I have read plenty from both sets of supporters and I would point out the following, we set up not to concede, not a bad tactic for any club really, particularly one in our situation. We did though maintain two up front all game and also introduced 3 attacking players as substitutes. This comment (repeated more than once I think) made me smile: "Hope burton go down and go bust." We are a small club that for the last 20 years or so has been run as a business, we generally make a profit (with an occasional small loss). We live within our means. Our wage bill for this season is about £7 million, roughly in line with our expected income. Our record buy scored the winning goal today and cost around £250k. In rising from the Conference to the Championship we spent around £50k (and then around £500k this season). The last accounts I can find in the Examiner (2015) tell me HTAFC's chairman has invested £37 million in the club and that it was expected to lose a further £6 million in 2016. I wish you well and hope you don't go bust! No point in spending money on footballers when all your players are asked to do is feign injury, roll around the floor and surround the ref every 2 minutes. I quite wanted you to stay up before, today has changed that. I would love to see you back in league 1 next season. Time-wasting and sticking 10 men behind the ball is 1 thing, what went on in that match was absolutely pathetic.
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Post by willo on Apr 2, 2017 1:08:00 GMT 1
Burton fan here, I registered earlier in the season to give your guys some hints and tips as to where to go pre game at the Pirelli. I was not at the game today so I won't go on about that. I have read plenty from both sets of supporters and I would point out the following, we set up not to concede, not a bad tactic for any club really, particularly one in our situation. We did though maintain two up front all game and also introduced 3 attacking players as substitutes. This comment (repeated more than once I think) made me smile: "Hope burton go down and go bust." We are a small club that for the last 20 years or so has been run as a business, we generally make a profit (with an occasional small loss). We live within our means. Our wage bill for this season is about £7 million, roughly in line with our expected income. Our record buy scored the winning goal today and cost around £250k. In rising from the Conference to the Championship we spent around £50k (and then around £500k this season). The last accounts I can find in the Examiner (2015) tell me HTAFC's chairman has invested £37 million in the club and that it was expected to lose a further £6 million in 2016. I wish you well and hope you don't go bust! By your own admission, you weren't there today pal. Wouldn't talk as daft as to say I'd want any club to go bust (although I'd have a good old laugh if it happened at leeds) but as I've stated in another thread, you were a shocking advert for football on Saturday. Time wasting from the off, in the (piss poor) ref's face the entire game and playing as little football as possible rest of the time. Worst team I've seen this season at our place by a long shot, thought even Rovrum had a bit about them. Nigel Clough was a very decent player in his day and how he had it in him to put out a team like that I'll never know. Him and his big, baldy prick of an assistant moaning constantly at the 4th official too. Went down massively in my estimation. Would quite happily see you go down and either Blackburn or Wigan stay up. And please, please, don't return any time soon. On that showing, the Championship is a much better place without you!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 12:52:42 GMT 1
Shit, all 3 home games we lost we've played away from south stand 1st half. That's all four then now!
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