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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2017 0:00:17 GMT 1
Makes you wonder if some on here are daft! Three thousand tickets for away games............those with most money will get em! The ones who were at Torquay on a Saturday night......... Southend when the West ham fans gave us a kicking........... Gillingham with the other 150..........we have no chance! Be a patron......get a season ticket........join the travel club.........have a ticket for Palace, walk up and pay for fifty years? Piss off bozo! My club is losing its identity. The identity you worry about us losing, is of a club in the bottom rung with barely any support. Endless games against nobodies. Pay on the gate , there's loads of space inside because no one really cares, and a bit of hooliganism thrown in for extra enjoyment. Each to their own but Im preferring our current identity a lot more, and looking at Towns history its a lot closer to this club's identity than the shit one you're remembering through rose tinted specs! Whatever they do regarding away tickets will be unfair to one group or another. Can't be helped. Id favour long standing supporters first and foremost. They've waited longest for this and kept the club going through decades of crap. That's harsh on some kid who went to 20 away games last season, but like i say, it can't be done without being unfair on someone. |
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Post by dan99 on Jul 14, 2017 0:12:58 GMT 1
Have heard priority 1 is loyalty season ticket holders + B&W. Probably 2-3000 in that category? Presume you mean loyalty season ticket holders who are ALSO B&W? Not loyalty holders AND B&W? As there were over 4k loyalty alone. Yes correct, have to be a loyalty season card holder and a B&W member. |
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Post by hd2 on Jul 14, 2017 0:30:57 GMT 1
Presume you mean loyalty season ticket holders who are ALSO B&W? Not loyalty holders AND B&W? As there were over 4k loyalty alone. Yes correct, have to be a loyalty season card holder and a B&W member. I'd have thought 50%-66% of the 4k loyalty being B&W might be on the high side. |
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Post by irverino on Jul 14, 2017 1:18:11 GMT 1
Got Barnsley tickets & lad said they were looking after 'loyal' fans, hospitality have got priority on away tickets aswell, is that right? SJ thinks so, but it's his JOB....
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Post by townrwe on Jul 14, 2017 2:25:38 GMT 1
Should be season tickets first come first served. Simple. That was how it used to be - now you have to factor in 19,000 season ticket holders to an allocation of a maximum of 3,000 away tickets. How would you do it ?
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 14, 2017 2:56:58 GMT 1
Thinking about this... I live overseas but always used to coincide my visits back to blighty to take in a Town game. Preferably one south of Birmingham. If we stay up, it might be some time before I am ever able to go to a live game again..unless I win the lottery and get myself on the rich privileged list. On the other hand, I am going to have a bean feast with all the televised games I now get to see.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Jul 14, 2017 5:37:52 GMT 1
Whatever the priority, I hope they start building up a points system for those who go away more regularly.
After a few years of Southampton, Stoke and Swansea away everything will fall into it's natural place anyway
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Post by townrwe on Jul 14, 2017 6:17:42 GMT 1
Dont see the need for any system really. The club is only going to piss people off. For some reason folk believe they have more rights to tickets than anyone else.
Also im not sure how big the problem will be. There's a lot of traveling to get to games this year and supposedly alot of "glory fans"
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Post by shawsie on Jul 14, 2017 6:43:29 GMT 1
Dont see the need for any system really. The club is only going to piss people off. For some reason folk believe they have more rights to tickets than anyone else. Also im not sure how big the problem will be. There's a lot of traveling to get to games this year and supposedly alot of "glory fans" The need for a system is crystal clear. For many away games demand will outstrip supply. It's never going to be entirely fair, but those who followed the club thru decades of drivel and kept the club going before dean bought the club are surely entitled to have priority option over the many who let's face it jumped on the winning bandwagon last season. That's not a dig at them.....we need as many fans as possible to progress but these people surely can't have any complaints when 20k season ticket holders don't fit into 2.5-3k tickets for Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea et al. The priority is a reward for loyalty - the same as most businesses try to treat their longest serving customer/supporter base. Many don't even live or work near the ground anymore so first come first served (even with a better website) is not the answer. |
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Post by vin on Jul 14, 2017 7:05:57 GMT 1
Makes you wonder if some on here are daft! Three thousand tickets for away games............those with most money will get em! The ones who were at Torquay on a Saturday night......... Southend when the West ham fans gave us a kicking........... Gillingham with the other 150..........we have no chance! Be a patron......get a season ticket........join the travel club.........have a ticket for Palace, walk up and pay for fifty years? Piss off bozo! My club is losing its identity. What do you think the club should do? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 7:23:05 GMT 1
You got a Premier League season ticket for £199 or maybe even £99 if you're are the superfan that you make out. How can you possibly complain about money? Point out where I said I was a "superfan". "The ones who were at Torquay on a Saturday night......... Southend when the West ham fans gave us a kicking........... Gillingham with the other 150..........we have no chance!" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 8:50:07 GMT 1
Should be season tickets first come first served. Simple. That was how it used to be - now you have to factor in 19,000 season ticket holders to an allocation of a maximum of 3,000 away tickets. How would you do it ?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 14, 2017 9:08:46 GMT 1
Just got my ticket for Palace.
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Post by conman on Jul 14, 2017 9:30:23 GMT 1
Just got my ticket for Palace. Queens garden party? |
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Post by artysid on Jul 14, 2017 9:31:55 GMT 1
No perfect way of doing it.
I have a mate who is one of the 4,000 superfans but rarely goes to away games. I on the other hand having lived in London for most of my adult life have probably been to more away grounds following Town than 99% on here but only ever had 3 season tickets (despite attending at least 20 games a season – most away- for the last 40 years), so which of us is more deserving of an away ticket?
I’d say keep it is.
Don’t think I’ll have a problem for tickets for Swansea, West Ham, Brighton, Stoke, West Brom, Leicester, Southampton, Watford (maybe even Arsenal), If I miss out on Manure, Liverpool etc so be it. Que sera sera
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Post by menbaldo on Jul 14, 2017 9:45:34 GMT 1
Dont see the need for any system really. The club is only going to piss people off. For some reason folk believe they have more rights to tickets than anyone else. Also im not sure how big the problem will be. There's a lot of traveling to get to games this year and supposedly alot of "glory fans" The need for a system is crystal clear. For many away games demand will outstrip supply. It's never going to be entirely fair, but those who followed the club thru decades of drivel and kept the club going before dean bought the club are surely entitled to have priority option over the many who let's face it jumped on the winning bandwagon last season. That's not a dig at them.....we need as many fans as possible to progress but these people surely can't have any complaints when 20k season ticket holders don't fit into 2.5-3k tickets for Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea et al. The priority is a reward for loyalty - the same as most businesses try to treat their longest serving customer/supporter base. Many don't even live or work near the ground anymore so first come first served (even with a better website) is not the answer. What if you were born in the 90s? Do you just miss out? |
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Post by Jack on Jul 14, 2017 9:50:34 GMT 1
Just got my ticket for Palace. Queens garden party? Possibly. He certainly didn't make it Crystal clear. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2017 11:07:25 GMT 1
No perfect way of doing it. I have a mate who is one of the 4,000 superfans but rarely goes to away games. I on the other hand having lived in London for most of my adult life have probably been to more away grounds following Town than 99% on here but only ever had 3 season tickets (despite attending at least 20 games a season – most away- for the last 40 years), so which of us is more deserving of an away ticket? I’d say keep it is. Don’t think I’ll have a problem for tickets for Swansea, West Ham, Brighton, Stoke, West Brom, Leicester, Southampton, Watford (maybe even Arsenal), If I miss out on Manure, Liverpool etc so be it. Que sera sera That is a dilemma for the club. "deserving' seems the wrong word somehow. Youve both supported the club over a long time and 'deserve' the chance to go to these big away games. from a financial point of view, the club have benefitted from his support much more than yours. Hes put his money into HTFC, whereas you've largely put your money into other clubs. But your dedication and effort is probably bigger id imagine purely on a logistical front. Its a difficult one. Im not sure it will be any easier to get a ticket for leicester, west brom etc, than it will be for man utd, Liverpool myself. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 14, 2017 11:45:03 GMT 1
Dont see the need for any system really. The club is only going to piss people off. For some reason folk believe they have more rights to tickets than anyone else. Also im not sure how big the problem will be. There's a lot of traveling to get to games this year and supposedly alot of "glory fans" The need for a system is crystal clear. For many away games demand will outstrip supply. It's never going to be entirely fair, but those who followed the club thru decades of drivel and kept the club going before dean bought the club are surely entitled to have priority option over the many who let's face it jumped on the winning bandwagon last season. That's not a dig at them.....we need as many fans as possible to progress but these people surely can't have any complaints when 20k season ticket holders don't fit into 2.5-3k tickets for Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea et al. The priority is a reward for loyalty - the same as most businesses try to treat their longest serving customer/supporter base. Many don't even live or work near the ground anymore so first come first served (even with a better website) is not the answer. How do you determine loyalty? Ive supported the club since birth, I haven't gone to every home game or every away game, in fact when I was about 5 my dad used to wait for the gates to open so we could go and watch the last 10-15 minutes for free as he couldn't afford the entry fee for the family even then. My name may not be top of the loyalty list, as iv'e been to uni, been travelling, worked abroad, had kids etc etc. Ive got up in the middle of the night to listen to coverage whilst in Aus. Im pretty sure that a lot of people cant afford to go to every home game and every away game, but are not less supporters. Think its a bit of mistake from the club if its anything else other than first come first serverd. To be fair, Id only go to games within an hour or so drive, so there aren't many id go to anyway, but this love in with the loyal supporters will end up categorising those not in the "club" as not loyal. How longs it going to go on for? will those not in the 4000 club never get an away ticket. Ill most likely be able to get a ticket from friends for the games I want, which is entirely the problem. A lottery system or first come first serve is the best idea. Or an away season ticket limited to first loyal 1000 and first come first served for rest. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2017 11:53:32 GMT 1
First come first served gives priority to those who can either spend ages on the phone from 9am on a monday morning or aren't working at all and can queue up at the office.
Don't think thats a very fair priority system.
the fair system would be for the club to look into each individual fans story- how long theyve been going, how many away games each year , SC history, family history, money theyve spent, etc etc etc and score them 1 to 10, with those most deserving being a 10 and first in line for tickets.
But that might take some time to do and be a little impractical to put into practice!!
So they'll have to do the only thing thy can, and piss some 'deserving' fans off because they're not in the group they need to be.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 14, 2017 12:11:28 GMT 1
I think anyone who has become a season ticket holder just for this season should be right at the back of the queue for away tickets. Maybe the 4,000 that stuck with the club since dean took over should get priority?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 14, 2017 12:18:16 GMT 1
The need for a system is crystal clear. For many away games demand will outstrip supply. It's never going to be entirely fair, but those who followed the club thru decades of drivel and kept the club going before dean bought the club are surely entitled to have priority option over the many who let's face it jumped on the winning bandwagon last season. That's not a dig at them.....we need as many fans as possible to progress but these people surely can't have any complaints when 20k season ticket holders don't fit into 2.5-3k tickets for Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea et al. The priority is a reward for loyalty - the same as most businesses try to treat their longest serving customer/supporter base. Many don't even live or work near the ground anymore so first come first served (even with a better website) is not the answer. How do you determine loyalty? Ive supported the club since birth, I haven't gone to every home game or every away game, in fact when I was about 5 my dad used to wait for the gates to open so we could go and watch the last 10-15 minutes for free as he couldn't afford the entry fee for the family even then. My name may not be top of the loyalty list, as iv'e been to uni, been travelling, worked abroad, had kids etc etc. Ive got up in the middle of the night to listen to coverage whilst in Aus. Im pretty sure that a lot of people cant afford to go to every home game and every away game, but are not less supporters. Think its a bit of mistake from the club if its anything else other than first come first serverd. To be fair, Id only go to games within an hour or so drive, so there aren't many id go to anyway, but this love in with the loyal supporters will end up categorising those not in the "club" as not loyal. How longs it going to go on for? will those not in the 4000 club never get an away ticket. Ill most likely be able to get a ticket from friends for the games I want, which is entirely the problem. A lottery system or first come first serve is the best idea. Or an away season ticket limited to first loyal 1000 and first come first served for rest. we will already have a 'funded' lottery system as there are far too many members for the away tickets.. first come first served will remove a great deal of money from Deans income via the foundation and patrons etc.. are you replacing that by buying an away ticket?? I dont think its a mistake of any kind and repaying loyalty via payment and attendance is the single best plan for the club. Many, many of the away support are also foundation members, so they pay and are 'loyal' as well, odd thought isnt it.. We paid into a foundation that gave us nothing back for ages other than the chance to win a few quid and we bought season tickets at full prices when it wasnt clear where the club were going.. Yes loyalty should pay and it should continue paying now.. cant believe all the foundation members are 'well off'', we have 2 who travel to every home game from Norfolk and meet up with us all over the place for many away games, they are foundation members since day 1.. they are not 'minted' and would rightly be a bit annoyed if their chances of away tickets were further limited. We are in the big league and like many clubs for many matches the demand will outstrip the supply, are they setting up schemes so everyone, no matter how much they pay in, gets a fair chance of an away ticket?? Dean and the club need the extra income, its just a fact. The people paying that extra income get a benefit for it, thats how it goes.. join its 8 quid a month and for Liverpool, Man Utd etc it gurantees you nothing much.. |
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Post by scoffsablue on Jul 14, 2017 12:18:33 GMT 1
Point out where I said I was a "superfan". "The ones who were at Torquay on a Saturday night......... Southend when the West ham fans gave us a kicking........... Gillingham with the other 150..........we have no chance!" I remember well the sheepskin and red doc martin wearing west ham fans that got stuck in to us in the open end at Southend that day,,,,Still here to tell the tale though  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 12:20:54 GMT 1
First come first served gives priority to those who can either spend ages on the phone from 9am on a monday morning or aren't working at all and can queue up at the office. Don't think thats a very fair priority system. the fair system would be for the club to look into each individual fans story- how long theyve been going, how many away games each year , SC history, family history, money theyve spent, etc etc etc and score them 1 to 10, with those most deserving being a 10 and first in line for tickets. But that might take some time to do and be a little impractical to put into practice!! So they'll have to do the only thing thy can, and piss some 'deserving' fans off because they're not in the group they need to be. No that isn't the fair system. I've been a fan since Leeds Rd, season ticket holder every season bar three (and I had a Take 10 for two of those)....don't do a LOT of away matches, usually around 5 a season. But...I don't feel I "deserve" to be pushing into the queue ahead of someone whose first ever game was at Wembley a couple of months ago. And I certainly won't get wound up that such a person might get a ticket for a game that I want to attend, but miss out on. I would feel slightly annoyed that that Wembley person might find it impossible to get a ticket for ANY away game...I think you've always got to ring fence sales opportunity to people who "have no history", otherwise we have no future. Previously that ring fencing has been easy, because we've not sold out games, or we've mostly gone through to "general sale" category etc...but now is different so hopefully something is done in this regard in terms of a ballot or some other system (such as guaranteed minimum amount held back for general sale) that gives any person the chance of getting to any game. Let's be honest, this isn't REALLY about being fair or not, it's really about staggering the demand to prevent lots of disappointed people and to give the ticket office chance of coping every two weeks...people don't generally mind if things are sold out before sales get to "their category" (however that is decided), but they do get wound up when "their category" goes on sale and they can't get a ticket if they want one. |
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Post by scoffsablue on Jul 14, 2017 12:22:06 GMT 1
The need for a system is crystal clear. For many away games demand will outstrip supply. It's never going to be entirely fair, but those who followed the club thru decades of drivel and kept the club going before dean bought the club are surely entitled to have priority option over the many who let's face it jumped on the winning bandwagon last season. That's not a dig at them.....we need as many fans as possible to progress but these people surely can't have any complaints when 20k season ticket holders don't fit into 2.5-3k tickets for Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea et al. The priority is a reward for loyalty - the same as most businesses try to treat their longest serving customer/supporter base. Many don't even live or work near the ground anymore so first come first served (even with a better website) is not the answer. What if you were born in the 90s? Do you just miss out? The club will prioritise SC holders with unbroken loyalty back to when Dean asked for that same loyalty that has got 4000 of us a Premier League SC for £100....Nothing else at shopfloor level will be taken in to account with the exception of a ballot for the younger fans that haven't had the chance to create a real SC history...The ballot will be around 15% therefore on an allocation of 3000 tickets there will be 450 up for grabs for the lucky winners. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2017 12:46:21 GMT 1
No perfect way of doing it. I have a mate who is one of the 4,000 superfans but rarely goes to away games. I on the other hand having lived in London for most of my adult life have probably been to more away grounds following Town than 99% on here but only ever had 3 season tickets (despite attending at least 20 games a season – most away- for the last 40 years), so which of us is more deserving of an away ticket? I’d say keep it is. Don’t think I’ll have a problem for tickets for Swansea, West Ham, Brighton, Stoke, West Brom, Leicester, Southampton, Watford (maybe even Arsenal), If I miss out on Manure, Liverpool etc so be it. Que sera sera That is a dilemma for the club. "deserving' seems the wrong word somehow. Youve both supported the club over a long time and 'deserve' the chance to go to these big away games. from a financial point of view, the club have benefitted from his support much more than yours. Hes put his money into HTFC, whereas you've largely put your money into other clubs. But your dedication and effort is probably bigger id imagine purely on a logistical front. Its a difficult one. Im not sure it will be any easier to get a ticket for leicester, west brom etc, than it will be for man utd, Liverpool myself. It's because "loyalty" is so hard to quantify that there should be no preferential treatment given to anyone imo ... |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 14, 2017 12:59:09 GMT 1
loyalty to a football club trying to keep up, is money in... I will say it again because its important, a great many foundation members do buy and do go to away games, be that Dagenham or Derby ... loyalty..unless some can prove that all members are 'well off' which is obviously bollox at 8 quid a month, then they choose to show their loyalty via their support and their pockets.. we will grow support by winning games and staying here or by winning games to return here.. not by giving someone the chance to 'win' an away ticket.. the cost of a home season card for the second premier league season might also effect this?  the same 4000 silly bastards will be buying season cards in 5 years in the first division if it all goes tits up.. loyalty, easy to see and define.. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 14, 2017 13:03:39 GMT 1
Got Barnsley tickets & lad said they were looking after 'loyal' fans, hospitality have got priority on away tickets aswell, is that right? SJ thinks so, but it's his JOB.... Yes box holders and White Rose Club members get priority on away tickets as part of their packages. |
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Post by scoffsablue on Jul 14, 2017 13:06:24 GMT 1
loyalty to a football club trying to keep up, is money in... I will say it again because its important, a great many foundation members do buy and do go to away games, be that Dagenham or Derby ... loyalty..unless some can prove that all members are 'well off' which is obviously bollox at 8 quid a month, then they choose to show their loyalty via their support and their pockets.. we will grow support by winning games and staying here or by winning games to return here.. not by giving someone the chance to 'win' an away ticket.. the cost of a home season card for the second premier league season might also effect this? the same 4000 silly bastards will be buying season cards in 5 years in the first division if it all goes tits up.. loyalty, easy to see and define.. We can also win games by growing support as seen last season...Yours truly....Silly bastard Scoffa.....I've got a Golden Ticket  |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2017 13:21:08 GMT 1
loyalty to a football club trying to keep up, is money in... I will say it again because its important, a great many foundation members do buy and do go to away games, be that Dagenham or Derby ... loyalty..unless some can prove that all members are 'well off' which is obviously bollox at 8 quid a month, then they choose to show their loyalty via their support and their pockets.. we will grow support by winning games and staying here or by winning games to return here.. not by giving someone the chance to 'win' an away ticket.. the cost of a home season card for the second premier league season might also effect this? the same 4000 silly bastards will be buying season cards in 5 years in the first division if it all goes tits up.. loyalty, easy to see and define.. Nonsense .. everyone's circumstances are different .. I for example had free tickets for three years due to specific circumstances .. so I didn't have a season ticket .. therefore I won't be in ever present "lists" ... and in terms of 8 pound a month etc .. should paying that in the past give you priority to away tickets ? Really ? |
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