Will we stay up - 3 games to go

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Apr 28, 2018 21:45:11 GMT 1 sapphireblue said:

Apr 28, 2018 18:17:39 GMT 1 @pitythefool said:

Everton look a very easy team to beat, much worse than Watford were.

100% bullcrap.
Everton are twice the team Watford are.

Utter rubbish.

Everton may be better across the season and on their day, but Watford gave us a much tougher game (and we won) than Everton did today.

It was Town being well below par that lost it...and rather worrying how much worse we became with every tactical change.

[tvor]

Think we’ll hang on. At the start of the season would have taken going into the last game with a chance of staying up and wouldn’t have cared how we did it. Even though some of the matches have been poor from Town’s p.o.v., still think the same.

[Stiggy]

Negative b***ards. Of course we will.
We just need a point.

[sapphireblue]

Apr 28, 2018 22:18:29 GMT 1 @pitythefool said:

Apr 28, 2018 21:45:11 GMT 1 sapphireblue said:

100% bullcrap.
Everton are twice the team Watford are.

Utter rubbish.

Everton may be better across the season and on their day, but Watford gave us a much tougher game (and we won) than Everton did today.

It was Town being well below par that lost it...and rather worrying how much worse we became with every tactical change.

No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it any more true.
Watford are NOT a better team than Everton.

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Apr 28, 2018 22:55:28 GMT 1 sapphireblue said:

Apr 28, 2018 22:18:29 GMT 1 @pitythefool said:

Utter rubbish.

Everton may be better across the season and on their day, but Watford gave us a much tougher game (and we won) than Everton did today.

It was Town being well below par that lost it...and rather worrying how much worse we became with every tactical change.

No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it any more true.
Watford are NOT a better team than Everton.

Correct I agree with you 100%.

However, what I'm saying is that on the day when we played Watford recently, up only against how Everton played today, Watford were the better team (despite the results).

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Apr 28, 2018 21:50:35 GMT 1 BLUE&WHITE said:

Does anyone here think that Southampton won’t beat that Everton team we played today?

I do. I also think they’ll beat Swansea.

But I think Swansea will beat stoke.

That would put us second bottom.

Saints are shite on the road. They beat a safe Bournemouth at home today, just. Everton were definitely not on the beach today. They’ll beat saints. Then we pray for a draw in their Swansea game and we’re home on 35.

[Melc]

Apr 28, 2018 18:51:42 GMT 1 Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen said:

I can see the situation where we are 3 points above Southampton on the last game and we only need not to lose.......😬

Brings back bad memories!

Right now i would take that!

[ACW]

Apr 28, 2018 23:17:41 GMT 1 Melc said:

Apr 28, 2018 18:51:42 GMT 1 Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen said:

I can see the situation where we are 3 points above Southampton on the last game and we only need not to lose.......😬

Brings back bad memories!

Right now i would take that!

Me too.

[morleyterrier]

Apr 28, 2018 21:57:44 GMT 1 BLUE&WHITE said:

35 will not be enough.

Not a chance.

Anyway, if we do go down, it won't be down to these last three games.

We had a glorious opportunity fixtures wise to avoid this scenario. The fixture list could not have been kinder than to give us Newcastle away, Swansea and Palace at home on the spin in March.

We took one fucking point. What would we give now for them three fixtures again to try and get an additional couple of points and we think we can replicate or beat that return from three games against Man City and Chelsea away and Arsenal at home?.

Not for me. We are relying on other results now in my opinion or that's it.

[nuro]

Apr 28, 2018 18:46:44 GMT 1 liversedgeterrier said:

**** me, I hope the team don’t give up as easily as some of you lot. Fickle as hell. Celebrating staying up after Watford and now we lose we are down, whilst three points clear !
FWIW I see Southampton getting two points at best as Everton in good form at home and Swansea are hard to beat at home too. Man City will annihilate them, as they will us.
Squeaky bum time, but the odds are still in our favour.

Players seemed to pretty much give up when we went a goal down.

Also Southampton will beat Everton. Everton have fuck all to play for and couldn't give a shit

[DuncanShearer]

I voted no. Was somewhat dejected yesterday.

Today, I'm on the fence. I think next weekend is huge.
I'd be happy for saints and swans to lose and Stoke to nick a point to stay alive.

Then they all go up against each other. I can see Saints picking up more points and they might climb out of it if they beat Swansea. But I would like if Stoke still have an outside chance when Swans visit them on the final day.

More than happy for West Brom to keep winning too as they can't catch us.

Whilst last season was more entertaining on the grass, this season aint half nail biting too.
That extra point yesterday or whenever would have made a huge difference to the nerves!!!

[rothwellterrier]

Apr 28, 2018 19:50:24 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

Apr 28, 2018 19:35:10 GMT 1 Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier said:

Looking at the run in

Southampton have Everton away ,Swansea away and Man City home

Feel Swansea will go above us as will beat Stoke h plus point v Southampton  h

The Everton away game is a must loose game for Southampton for us to be in with a REALISTIC CHANCE of survival , as feel they will get no more than 2 points from their final two games against Swansea a and Man City h        ie both draws putting them on 34 points

This is just looking over our shoulders as the Arsenal game could decide towns fate,and feel we have to at least score a goal which is even more worrying

Not sure why you think Swansea will beat Stoke. Carvalhal won't let them over the half way line and Stoke got a decent result today at Anfield.

Admittedly I only caught the final half hour when I got home from work but Swansea showed more attacking intent against Chelsea then we've shown against any of the top 6 put together. They were unlucky not to get at least a point out of the game.

[morleyterrier]

If we do go down, what will piss me off is it shouldn't have happened.

We are better than atleast three other Teams but have to accept the negative approach in way too many matches is what has cost us.

As I have posted before, the swagger with which we seemed to have at the start of the season, almost an innocent carefree attitude to this Premier League lark was abandoned during Spurs st home.

15-20 minutes in, we are on the front foot, going for it and looking more than a good opponent for none other than Tottenham Hotspur.

Two fucking individual mistakes later (sorry Lads, it wasn't VLP) and that swagger and refreshing approach to life in the Premier League.

Abandoned.

Of course we have had some good wins since. The way we started the season and the Spurs match was though gone for the season.

We will never know had we not committed harakiri during that game, how we would have approached the rest of the season.

I strongly suspect we would have continued to be positive and been 'enough' points better off now than we are.

[iangreaves]

Failing to beat 10-man Swansea at home was a big loss. It really is on a knife edge now. Southampton may well gain a huge boost in confidence from that win.I think we may well be competing with Swansea to stay up now - and they are only two points behind us with a better goal difference. You could quite easily see them getting draws against Bournemouth, Southampton and Stoke.

[BLUE&WHITE]

Apr 29, 2018 8:15:55 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

If we do go down, what will piss me off is it shouldn't have happened.

We are better than atleast three other Teams but have to accept the negative approach in way too many matches is what has cost us.

As I have posted before, the swagger with which we seemed to have at the start of the season, almost an innocent carefree attitude to this Premier League lark was abandoned during Spurs st home.

15-20 minutes in, we are on the front foot, going for it and looking more than a good opponent for none other than Tottenham Hotspur.

Two fucking individual mistakes later (sorry Lads, it wasn't VLP) and that swagger and refreshing approach to life in the Premier League.

Abandoned.

Of course we have had some good wins since. The way we started the season and the Spurs match was though gone for the season.

We will never know had we not committed harakiri during that game, how we would have approached the rest of the season.

I strongly suspect we would have continued to be positive and been 'enough' points better off now than we are.

It’s not during that game that is the problem. The problem is that it seemed to shackle us, and by us I mean from the coaching side, we stopped the ‘no limits’ and the ‘play our way’ that we were promised we would play. When we stopped playing our way, we stopped getting results.

Scared, timid, no confidence.

I get the same feeling as when we changed our style after Peterborough.

We have players who we bought to do certain jobs in particular roles, now they are shackled we wonder why they aren’t performing..

[griffa]

Apr 29, 2018 8:15:55 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

If we do go down, what will piss me off is it shouldn't have happened.

We are better than atleast three other Teams but have to accept the negative approach in way too many matches is what has cost us.

As I have posted before, the swagger with which we seemed to have at the start of the season, almost an innocent carefree attitude to this Premier League lark was abandoned during Spurs st home.

15-20 minutes in, we are on the front foot, going for it and looking more than a good opponent for none other than Tottenham Hotspur.

Two fucking individual mistakes later (sorry Lads, it wasn't VLP) and that swagger and refreshing approach to life in the Premier League.

Abandoned.

Of course we have had some good wins since. The way we started the season and the Spurs match was though gone for the season.

We will never know had we not committed harakiri during that game, how we would have approached the rest of the season.

I strongly suspect we would have continued to be positive and been 'enough' points better off now than we are.

Think again Morley, Spurs scored after 9 & 23 minutes, we looked good for 9 minutes, individual errors cost us dearly.
I do recall VLP losing the ball & Spurs scoring from it - UTT.

[Baby Ate My Eight Ball]

Apr 29, 2018 8:15:55 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

If we do go down, what will piss me off is it shouldn't have happened.

We are better than atleast three other Teams but have to accept the negative approach in way too many matches is what has cost us.

As I have posted before, the swagger with which we seemed to have at the start of the season, almost an innocent carefree attitude to this Premier League lark was abandoned during Spurs st home.

15-20 minutes in, we are on the front foot, going for it and looking more than a good opponent for none other than Tottenham Hotspur.

Two fucking individual mistakes later (sorry Lads, it wasn't VLP) and that swagger and refreshing approach to life in the Premier League.

Abandoned.

Of course we have had some good wins since. The way we started the season and the Spurs match was though gone for the season.

We will never know had we not capitulated that game, how we would have approached the rest of the season.

I strongly suspect we would have continued to be positive and been 'enough' points better off now than we are.

We have the weakest group of players in the league. That will be the reason we go down, if we go down. I’m not saying that to belittle our players, they’ve done a phenomenal job over the last 2 years to get us to where we are.

But the big investment in the summer has papered over the fact that we’ve never previously invested in the squad at the level needed for top end championship, let alone premier league. We have/had players like Scannell and Lolley in the squad that were never gonna have enough quality at this level.

Ince cost us what, £8m? Brighton already had Knockeart and could go for Izquierdo at £15m and he has won matches for them.

How many players do we have that can get us a goal from nowhere and win us the match?

We have no attacking players of the quality of Tadic or Shaqiri that can magic a goal out of nowhere. And that sort of quality is a minimum at this level.

[huddstownonly]

Agree 35 points is not going to be enough and never was going to be ( as I have posted previously )

[ponteterrier]

I suspect we will try and park the bus at Chelsea and Man City in the vein hope that we can steal a draw from somewhere.

However if, come Sunday and Southampton have picked up another win, we will have no choice but to go balls out. We will likely get spanked but I would like us to go out swinging.

We're out of second chances

[malcolmbrown]

If Southampton lose at Everton on Saturday they've 2 very difficult games to follow.

[ponteterrier]

Apr 29, 2018 8:47:34 GMT 1 malcolmbrown said:

If Southampton lose at Everton on Saturday they've 2 very difficult games to follow.

If

[The Sheriff Strikes Back]

Yesterday I posted that we are fucked.
Having slept on it and woken up feeling a bit more positive this morning I have come to the conclusion that.....









































We are definitely fucked.

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Bournemouth to draw to Swansea
Everton to draw with Southampton (Sam showed yesterday how eager he is to win and their home record is v.good)

Swansea to draw with Southampton (entirely dependent on them not beating Bournemouth but their home record is good and both teams will be well up for it)

Swansea to beat Stoke (Stoke down and out)
City to beat Southampton (no explanation needed)

Town to stay up by one point

[iangreaves]

Apr 29, 2018 8:47:34 GMT 1 malcolmbrown said:

If Southampton lose at Everton on Saturday they've 2 very difficult games to follow.

Let's hope Big Sam gets Everton fired up for old time's sake. Anyone here still remember the day Sam piled in at Leeds Road when David Burke had his leg broken in a shocking tackle. I think Sam was still trying to get at the bloke down the tunnel after he was sent off.

[Chris461]

We’ll be fine.

[Baby-face Frankenstein]

Don't want to be defying the laws of gravity, but it's Town to stay up for me - the fans' nerves are gonna be frayed, much of it won't be pretty and the degree of focus needed will be that required to zoom in on the stars with an astronomical telescope. Plus, in view of the forthcoming World Cup, will those other, metaphorical stars want to be riding through the sky as they're unceremoniously brought down to earth with thudding tackles and forceful Gegenpressing?
Pitches will be cut up badly as the men in blue and white robustly and fearlessly play an unsightly anti-football that will also have its critics rolling around in anger and indignation. So all-in-all in how far are these top players gonna be up for it, bearing in mind they'll be wanting to show off in Russia with all their fancy skills?

And even if they do decide they're going to try and be up for it:

Man City - will have been partying too much.
Chelsea - will be subconsciously thinking ot cup final.
Arsenal - will be too melancholic with the going of AW, and not be in the mood for a fight after all.

There's got to be a couple of points in that lot, surely FFS?

[kennyk2]

Football is very much in the moment - two weeks ago the majority had us to stay up, now after a loss the vast majority have us to go down.

Let's face it - if we stay up and unless there is some absolutely remarkable signings in the summer, we are going to be in exactly the same situation next season. We will struggle in this division whatever we do, so perhaps we are just kicking relegation football down the road.

As a positive note - we have some really good players for the Championship, because let's face it, nobody is going to come raiding our squad, although Schindler and possibly Mooy may go to warm a PL team's bench next season.

[Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen]

Apr 29, 2018 8:50:33 GMT 1 ponteterrier said:

Apr 29, 2018 8:47:34 GMT 1 malcolmbrown said:

If Southampton lose at Everton on Saturday they've 2 very difficult games to follow.

If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Apr 29, 2018 8:26:24 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

Failing to beat 10-man Swansea at home was a big loss. It really is on a knife edge now. Southampton may well gain a huge boost in confidence from that win.I think we may well be competing with Swansea to stay up now - and they are only two points behind us with a better goal difference. You could quite easily see them getting draws against Bournemouth, Southampton and Stoke.

It's that Swansea game that's cost us, no two ways about it.

[66738]

Apr 29, 2018 8:51:54 GMT 1 The Sheriff Strikes Back said:

Yesterday I posted that we are fucked.
Having slept on it and woken up feeling a bit more positive this morning I have come to the conclusion that.....









































We are definitely fucked.

Yes, I thought things might feel a bit better this morning with a clear head and after a good nights sleep.............
They don't.