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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 29, 2018 10:17:53 GMT 1
If Southampton lose at Everton on Saturday they've 2 very difficult games to follow. That was the equivalent of a Championship match yesterday, what an opportunity to beat an Everton Team who were 100% there for the taking. Hell we even got the added bonus of Rooney having an off day. Southampton will not make the same mistake and will definitely beat an Everton side who had nothing to play for yesterday also (as will be the case next week) and it showed. |
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Post by terryya on Apr 29, 2018 10:22:49 GMT 1
Things still looking bleak the morning after, but I still think there's a point out there for us.
First 40 mins were good and but for two VLP rushes of blood we'd have gone in one up at half time.
All season teams have been picking up draws and wins against the top teams. We need to play well and get the bit of luck that Stoke had against Liverpool with the pens, Swansea got battered against Liverpool and somehow won, Sanchez fluffing an open goal and Newcastle going on to win.
These are just a few off the top of my head and I'm sure there are more.
We've already been unlucky not to get a point of City, Chelsea are hit and miss and Arsenal have been shit away from home. They've all pretty much got nothing to play for so won't be running through the brick walls that we will.
I'm off to dig out my Believe t-shirt.
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Post by rocky on Apr 29, 2018 10:40:13 GMT 1
Jesus there’s some negative shyte in this thread. People saying we’re down already despite being 2 and 3 points above Swansea AND Southampton.
Then there’s those saying we aren’t going to get another point, despite still having to play Arsenal at home! Yeah the same Arsenal that have 3 away wins all season and are 13th in the away table!
1/2 on not to be relegated and that’s about right. Certainly more realistic than some of the hysterical posts on here at the moment.
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Post by 66738 on Apr 29, 2018 10:41:05 GMT 1
Football is very much in the moment - two weeks ago the majority had us to stay up, now after a loss the vast majority have us to go down. Let's face it - if we stay up and unless there is some absolutely remarkable signings in the summer, we are going to be in exactly the same situation next season. We will struggle in this division whatever we do, so perhaps we are just kicking relegation football down the road. As a positive note - we have some really good players for the Championship, because let's face it, nobody is going to come raiding our squad, although Schindler and possibly Mooy may go to warm a PL team's bench next season. I agree Kenny that yes next season if we stay up would most likely be the same, hanging in there by a thread. But for me I could take relegation next season a lot easier than if we drop this one. We'd be going down with a full parachute payment, not like now where it would only be a partial one. Financially we'd be a lot more secure. And staying up this time would be proving all the experts wrong. We'd have done brilliant, as let's face it, we are bottom 3 in quality. We lack it all over the park. Apart from Schindler, and maybe Mooy in his pomp, I doubt anyone else would get a regular game at any other Prem team. On paper, none of the bottom four should be where they are now. They all have far more quality than us, but that's years and years of investment. Millions and millions of pounds spent. Yes sir, it would be some achievement to stay up. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 29, 2018 10:53:16 GMT 1
Football is very much in the moment - two weeks ago the majority had us to stay up, now after a loss the vast majority have us to go down. Let's face it - if we stay up and unless there is some absolutely remarkable signings in the summer, we are going to be in exactly the same situation next season. We will struggle in this division whatever we do, so perhaps we are just kicking relegation football down the road. As a positive note - we have some really good players for the Championship, because let's face it, nobody is going to come raiding our squad, although Schindler and possibly Mooy may go to warm a PL team's bench next season. I agree Kenny that yes next season if we stay up would most likely be the same, hanging in there by a thread. But for me I could take relegation next season a lot easier than if we drop this one. We'd be going down with a full parachute payment, not like now where it would only be a partial one. Financially we'd be a lot more secure. And staying up this time would be proving all the experts wrong. We'd have done brilliant, as let's face it, we are bottom 3 in quality. We lack it all over the park. Apart from Schindler, and maybe Mooy in his pomp, I doubt anyone else would get a regular game at any other Prem team. On paper, none of the bottom four should be where they are now. They all have far more quality than us, but that's years and years of investment. Millions and millions of pounds spent. Yes sir, it would be some achievement to stay up. We have the worst footballers in this division by far, but not the worst team. What we have achieved so far is nothing but remarkable. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 29, 2018 11:05:28 GMT 1
Not for me it just shows how lucky we were to beat Watford in a game where 0-0 would have been a fair result.
We just can't score goals and lack creativity. Look at Southampton yeah there defence is more than vulnerable but they score goals. I watched them in games that they ultimately lost against Arsenal and Chelsea but can anyone on here see us scoring 2 goals against those sides? Personally I think the best case scenario for town to stay up now is if Swansea lose their remaining games. A Southampton win and it's over for me, level on points with us.
For everyone that said the goal difference won't matter over the course of the season. I fear you couldn't be more wrong.
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Post by worthington on Apr 29, 2018 11:07:52 GMT 1
Even if we survive, next season we will get slaughtered most games.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Apr 29, 2018 11:31:18 GMT 1
Failing to beat 10-man Swansea at home was a big loss. It really is on a knife edge now. Southampton may well gain a huge boost in confidence from that win.I think we may well be competing with Swansea to stay up now - and they are only two points behind us with a better goal difference. You could quite easily see them getting draws against Bournemouth, Southampton and Stoke. It's that Swansea game that's cost us, no two ways about it. Not treating every game as points is what cost us |
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Post by nuro on Apr 29, 2018 11:34:32 GMT 1
As I said in another topic I expect us to be in the relegation zone by the time we play in sunday
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 29, 2018 11:44:34 GMT 1
If Southampton lose to Everton on Saturday they'll have to beat Swansea away or Man City at home to overtake us.
Come on you Toffeemen!
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Post by BlueValour on May 2, 2018 2:15:25 GMT 1
Well, FWIW, the scalpers price Southampton as more likely to drop than us - typically 11/10 to 6/4.
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Post by lochnessterrier on May 2, 2018 5:56:17 GMT 1
Even if we survive, next season we will get slaughtered most games. For God's sake we can worry about that next season. One step at a time... |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 2, 2018 7:35:49 GMT 1
If Southampton lose to Everton on Saturday they'll have to beat Swansea away or Man City at home to overtake us. Come on you Toffeemen! Think I will be on a long run in Scotland Saturday, Just like Everton to not be bothered after seeming to want to win v Town. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 2, 2018 8:08:05 GMT 1
If Southampton lose to Everton on Saturday they'll have to beat Swansea away or Man City at home to overtake us. Come on you Toffeemen! I can’t see them not getting three points out of them three games .. I’ve changed my tune |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 2, 2018 8:26:38 GMT 1
If Southampton lose to Everton on Saturday they'll have to beat Swansea away or Man City at home to overtake us. Come on you Toffeemen! I can’t see them not getting three points out of them three games .. I’ve changed my tune They will get 3 points from somewhere, probably Swansea. Which means we hope Swansea don't win against Bournemouth or Stoke, they will win one of those. I have come to terms with it now, unless we pull of an absolute miracle of a win in the last 3 games we will go down. For some reason it doesn't feel the same as previous relegations, i suppose it is the inevitability. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 2, 2018 8:31:37 GMT 1
I can’t see them not getting three points out of them three games .. I’ve changed my tune They will get 3 points from somewhere, probably Swansea. Which means we hope Swansea don't win against Bournemouth or Stoke, they will win one of those. I have come to terms with it now, unless we pull of an absolute miracle of a win in the last 3 games we will go down. For some reason it doesn't feel the same as previous relegations, i suppose it is the inevitability. Immediately after the Everton game we were 2 to 1 to go down . We are now closer 6 to 4 I think but that’s still a knocking Bet imo . For us to stay up my strong guess is we need something out of our last three games. I just can’t see it tbh . But that will make it all the sweeter if it happens |
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Post by royrace on May 2, 2018 8:53:09 GMT 1
I can’t see them not getting three points out of them three games .. I’ve changed my tune They will get 3 points from somewhere, probably Swansea. Which means we hope Swansea don't win against Bournemouth or Stoke, they will win one of those. I have come to terms with it now, unless we pull of an absolute miracle of a win in the last 3 games we will go down. For some reason it doesn't feel the same as previous relegations, i suppose it is the inevitability. It does feel inevitable but it will be bloody annoying having been in the bottom three just one week all season. I think we all expected the last four games may kill us and it's looking like it might be the case. Survival will be all the more sweet if we can pull off a miracle and bag some points of the results elsewhere go our way. I'm usually optimistic in these situations but the way Wagner has set us up v the big guns all season has been a real low from the season and I just know we won't be competitive. I'm not even sure we remember how to play our own game and that's the problem. I watch most lesser teams lose against the big boys but they at least compete and give themselves a chance. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 2, 2018 9:22:49 GMT 1
It does feel inevitable but it will be bloody annoying having been in the bottom three just one week all season. I think we all expected the last four games may kill us and it's looking like it might be the case. Survival will be all the more sweet if we can pull off a miracle and bag some points of the results elsewhere go our way. I'm usually optimistic in these situations but the way Wagner has set us up v the big guns all season has been a real low from the season and I just know we won't be competitive. I'm not even sure we remember how to play our own game and that's the problem. I watch most lesser teams lose against the big boys but they at least compete and give themselves a chance. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards I have been optimistic all season and never negative. However results last Saturday killed us really and i think we have now hit our points total. I don't think we will play any different in the next 3 games to how we have the previous 35, apart from the last 10 minutes against Arsenal when it will be absolute go for bust. I really hope i am wrong and would love nothing more than to stay up but any glimpse of optimism is just hopeful really and the reality is we will need one more result to have hope. |
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Post by JG Mellor on May 2, 2018 9:23:44 GMT 1
I still think DW can pull the rabbit out of the hat just as he did at the end of last season. In Wagner we trust. UTMT.
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 2, 2018 9:27:39 GMT 1
We don't create any chances let alone score.
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Post by The Roaring Twenties on May 2, 2018 9:32:01 GMT 1
I still think DW can pull the rabbit out of the hat just as he did at the end of last season. In Wagner we trust. UTMT. Good man! We still have a decent chance of staying up, hold your nerve everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 9:40:23 GMT 1
of course we can stay up, it's just looking at it you would think it improbable.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 2, 2018 9:55:06 GMT 1
I still think DW can pull the rabbit out of the hat just as he did at the end of last season. In Wagner we trust. UTMT. I hope this rabbit can score |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 2, 2018 10:35:43 GMT 1
I still think DW can pull the rabbit out of the hat just as he did at the end of last season. In Wagner we trust. UTMT. I hope this rabbit can score Going to be a bit hair raise ing |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 11:14:50 GMT 1
Something special is going to happen. When we NEED to dig deep, we always find something.
The adventure will continue.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on May 2, 2018 12:00:54 GMT 1
We don't create any chances let alone score. We don't need to score  |
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Post by lochnessterrier on May 2, 2018 12:15:04 GMT 1
We don't create any chances let alone score. We don't need to score Spot on, let's brick up the goal and aim for three 0-0's  |
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Post by nicko1973 on May 2, 2018 15:47:41 GMT 1
If we do go down, what will piss me off is it shouldn't have happened. We are better than atleast three other Teams but have to accept the negative approach in way too many matches is what has cost us. As I have posted before, the swagger with which we seemed to have at the start of the season, almost an innocent carefree attitude to this Premier League lark was abandoned during Spurs st home. 15-20 minutes in, we are on the front foot, going for it and looking more than a good opponent for none other than Tottenham Hotspur. Two fucking individual mistakes later (sorry Lads, it wasn't VLP) and that swagger and refreshing approach to life in the Premier League. Abandoned. Of course we have had some good wins since. The way we started the season and the Spurs match was though gone for the season. We will never know had we not committed harakiri during that game, how we would have approached the rest of the season. I strongly suspect we would have continued to be positive and been 'enough' points better off now than we are. I agree with this.....all is not lost but lots of people think Town have missed their BEST chance to guarantee safety. Even a point against Everton would have been very valuable, meaning Saints would have had to get 2 positive results out of 3. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 15:53:30 GMT 1
We need to hope Southampton Stoke and Swansea slip up. There's no reason they shouldn't but luck ain't exactly been kind to town over the years has it?
I agree we need just one moment of individual brilliance to secure our premier league status. Something special. Who have we got playing for us capable of that one moment of perfect beauty?
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Post by keithAM11532 on May 2, 2018 16:00:05 GMT 1
I cannot believe I am banking all my hopes on Fat Sam Allardyce. But if Everton beat Saints I think we will stay up, if they don't then I fear we are doomed. Simples.
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