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Post by Metch on Sept 1, 2018 22:24:58 GMT 1
Really? I thought he was our weakest link today, at fault for their goal and failed to link up well with Hadj when there seemed to be alot more space on our right to exploit. Looked short of confidence but i hope potential to come good. My thoughts exactly, especially on the confidence thing right after the start. Looked like he didn't want anything doing with the ball. He'll come good though, I'm sure. What about Sobhi though too - surely he's going to fight for a place? Future definitely looking brighter after today, Sobhi and Durm will add quality and will probably be in our first choice X1 soon. Diakhaby is one for the future and hopefully learnt alot from this match. |
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Post by jafa on Sept 2, 2018 4:39:21 GMT 1
There's a reason we played better in the second half and that's because Diakhaby was replaced. In no way is this lad ready for Premiership football.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 2, 2018 7:09:49 GMT 1
Diakhaby and Mbenza seem to be pretty raw, have great pace and can carry a ball but need work on awareness and decision making
They seem very similar to VLP when he signed - who for me Wagner has done wonders with in terms of work rate, positioning and conditioning (stamina and body strength).
If these lads listen to Wagner hopefully they can take their careers to the next level
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Post by royrace on Sept 2, 2018 7:46:41 GMT 1
Diakhaby and Mbenza seem to be pretty raw, have great pace and can carry a ball but need work on awareness and decision making They seem very similar to VLP when he signed - who for me Wagner has done wonders with in terms of work rate, positioning and conditioning (stamina and body strength). If these lads listen to Wagner hopefully they can take their careers to the next level Bit of a worry when thirteen million doesn't get you a premier league starter. The recruitment is starting to look terrible, why the hell we've replaced Ince with these two I'll never know. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by capitalterrier on Sept 2, 2018 7:51:43 GMT 1
Diakhaby and Mbenza seem to be pretty raw, have great pace and can carry a ball but need work on awareness and decision making They seem very similar to VLP when he signed - who for me Wagner has done wonders with in terms of work rate, positioning and conditioning (stamina and body strength). If these lads listen to Wagner hopefully they can take their careers to the next level Bit of a worry when thirteen million doesn't get you a premier league starter. The recruitment is starting to look terrible, why the hell we've replaced Ince with these two I'll never know. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Can't believe we've let Ince go. It didn't always come off for him but at least he always put a shift in. Scored the goal v Watford due to pure persistence to keep getting himself into those positions despite a poor goalscoring record. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 7:59:15 GMT 1
Diakhaby showed some good touches but looked a little startled and seems a touch lightweight to me. The blood and guts nature of the PL may be slightly overawing right now. I’m sure he has the technique and pace to do well, he just needs the mentality to get fully involved and apply himself. I’ve no doubt it will come soon.
He’s a very young lad (younger than Billing) trying to settle in a foreign country and establish himself at the very highest level. With Kachunga back I think we’ll see him eased into games now rather than starting every week.
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Post by jafa on Sept 2, 2018 8:36:52 GMT 1
Diakhaby and Mbenza seem to be pretty raw, have great pace and can carry a ball but need work on awareness and decision making They seem very similar to VLP when he signed - who for me Wagner has done wonders with in terms of work rate, positioning and conditioning (stamina and body strength). If these lads listen to Wagner hopefully they can take their careers to the next level Bit of a worry when thirteen million doesn't get you a premier league starter. The recruitment is starting to look terrible, why the hell we've replaced Ince with these two I'll never know. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards I suspect that we've done what Brighton did last season. That is have a recruitment team that rely mainly on video clips and stats. Brighton found that their guys spent most of their recruitment time sat on their arses watching computer screens. Got rid of the lot this year I believe and gone back to at least sending scouts out to actually watch players. Dean needs to do a few interviews 'without coffee' because the midfielders and forwards they've brought in are way below what we need. (Durm and Kongelo I suspect are DW's own choices). |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 2, 2018 8:42:19 GMT 1
Bit of a worry when thirteen million doesn't get you a premier league starter. The recruitment is starting to look terrible, why the hell we've replaced Ince with these two I'll never know. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards I suspect that we've done what Brighton did last season. That is have a recruitment team that rely mainly on video clips and stats. Brighton found that their guys spent most of their recruitment time sat on their arses watching computer screens. Got rid of the lot this year I believe and gone back to at least sending scouts out to actually watch players. Dean needs to do a few interviews 'without coffee' because the midfielders and forwards they've brought in are way below what we need. (Durm and Kongelo I suspect are DW's own choices). Mbenza for example. How do you know he is way below what we need? Have you seen him play enough to make an educated decision? If so, how many games should a player play to be judged? If not, how do you know he isn’t good enough? Honest questions, just curious. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 2, 2018 8:55:07 GMT 1
Really? I thought he was our weakest link today, at fault for their goal and failed to link up well with Hadj when there seemed to be alot more space on our right to exploit. Looked short of confidence but i hope potential to come good. He was very good today. Couple of times he eased away from Everton players, he definitely has the quality, just tired as the game went on. He was much better and worked quite hard, but you can see he isn't great technically (not for £8m) and is physically pretty weak. Bags of pace, but very raw. |
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Post by jafa on Sept 2, 2018 8:55:18 GMT 1
I suspect that we've done what Brighton did last season. That is have a recruitment team that rely mainly on video clips and stats. Brighton found that their guys spent most of their recruitment time sat on their arses watching computer screens. Got rid of the lot this year I believe and gone back to at least sending scouts out to actually watch players. Dean needs to do a few interviews 'without coffee' because the midfielders and forwards they've brought in are way below what we need. (Durm and Kongelo I suspect are DW's own choices). Mbenza for example. How do you know he is way below what we need? Have you seen him play enough to make an educated decision? If so, how many games should a player play to be judged? If not, how do you know he isn’t good enough? Honest questions, just curious. Mbenza awful against Cardiff for his 22 minutes and crap against Stokes second team. Diakhaby awful today and last week. Sabiri poor again against Stoke and replaced after 45. Bacuna can't even get a subs spot. That is NOT good recruitment...we could have just blown out instead on one good known right winger who we know would do the job (and been a sight damn cheaper in the long run). |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 2, 2018 9:00:04 GMT 1
Mbenza for example. How do you know he is way below what we need? Have you seen him play enough to make an educated decision? If so, how many games should a player play to be judged? If not, how do you know he isn’t good enough? Honest questions, just curious. Mbenza awful against Cardiff for his 22 minutes and crap against Stokes second team. Diakhaby awful today and last week. Sabiri poor again against Stoke and replaced after 45. Bacuna can't even get a subs spot. That is NOT good recruitment...we could have just blown out instead on one good known right winger who we know would do the job (and been a sight damn cheaper in the long run). Ok mate, we will leave it there. Sabiri isn’t a new signing and you have judged Mbenza on 22 minutes of league football. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 2, 2018 9:03:16 GMT 1
He was very good today. Couple of times he eased away from Everton players, he definitely has the quality, just tired as the game went on. He was much better and worked quite hard, but you can see he isn't great technically (not for £8m) and is physically pretty weak. Bags of pace, but very raw. I disagree about not great technically but agree about physically, which I think for Town is great news as the technical side is usually instinct but physically he can be built up. I still think he will be a very good signing for us. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 2, 2018 9:04:53 GMT 1
I understand the policy of buying "potential" but you can't expect DW to get all of them to be successful at this level. Wages are the barometer of quality (generally) and we aren't able to pay enough, so we try and develop players who have potential.
If you could merge Kachunga's effort, determination, attitude and commitment into any one of Diakhaby, Mbenza etc... you'd have a real player.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 2, 2018 9:10:48 GMT 1
Diakhaby and Mbenza seem to be pretty raw, have great pace and can carry a ball but need work on awareness and decision making They seem very similar to VLP when he signed - who for me Wagner has done wonders with in terms of work rate, positioning and conditioning (stamina and body strength). If these lads listen to Wagner hopefully they can take their careers to the next level Bit of a worry when thirteen million doesn't get you a premier league starter. The recruitment is starting to look terrible, why the hell we've replaced Ince with these two I'll never know. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards I'd be lying if I didn't say I haven't questioned specific signings and the policy this year (more proven quality over quantity), but I think some are going a bit OTT, at least at this stage. There are £20m+ signings not making the bench these days - £13m is no guarantee, nevermind £8m and £5m. Also, as much as I would've preferred we bought less if that helped acquire some real quality, I acknowledge that these targets are going to be in more demand, including from clubs with greater appeal and bigger pockets. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 2, 2018 9:20:31 GMT 1
He was much better and worked quite hard, but you can see he isn't great technically (not for £8m) and is physically pretty weak. Bags of pace, but very raw. I disagree about not great technically but agree about physically, which I think for Town is great news as the technical side is usually instinct but physically he can be built up. I still think he will be a very good signing for us. He is very one footed, to a point I don't think he uses his right at all. Off the back of this I've seen him a couple of times try what should be a very simple pass with the outside of his left, which he's scuffed and it's badly slowed an attack. I'm certainly not dismissing his chances and would be delighted if he does come good this season. Unlike some (cough) I'd much rather Town do well and me be proven wrong than the contra! |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 2, 2018 9:27:20 GMT 1
I disagree about not great technically but agree about physically, which I think for Town is great news as the technical side is usually instinct but physically he can be built up. I still think he will be a very good signing for us. He is very one footed, to a point I don't think he uses his right at all. Off the back of this I've seen him a couple of times try what should be a very simple pass with the outside of his left, which he's scuffed and it's badly slowed an attack. I'm certainly not dismissing his chances and would be delighted if he does come good this season. Unlike some (cough) I'd much rather Town do well and me be proven wrong than the contra! We will see, I think he has something about him, the few times he rolled past Everton players he did so with so much ease, these are not crap players, Sigurdsson and the rest, but like you say, we will all be delighted if one or two of these guys turn in to top players for us. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 9:44:43 GMT 1
It is a risky strategy to recruit solely on potential. Combined (if we start go Mbenza) they will cost £20m.
The alternatives (who were definitely available) were Antonio (£15m), Traore (£18m) & Klaason (£15m). The wages would have been bigger (although maybe similar to both combined).
Would we have been better with a single, proven player? Hard to tell but if we stay up this year I think we need to start prioritising top quality over potential and quantity.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 2, 2018 9:45:01 GMT 1
Kachunga helped us keep the ball better but you never expect that he'll create anything. Atleast Diakhaby has the pace to make something happen off the cuff
Guess it depends what Wagner wants. Control the game more but be less of a threat on the counter or get pace on the pitch and hit teams on the break.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 9:45:38 GMT 1
I think the idea of being young,settling into a new country,way of life etc. is a valid point.Will take more than a few games or weeks to settle.
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Post by royrace on Sept 2, 2018 9:56:38 GMT 1
He was much better and worked quite hard, but you can see he isn't great technically (not for £8m) and is physically pretty weak. Bags of pace, but very raw. I disagree about not great technically but agree about physically, which I think for Town is great news as the technical side is usually instinct but physically he can be built up. I still think he will be a very good signing for us. Hopefully they’ll both turn out well but we needed players to be ready 4 weeks ago, not in a few months when we’re already fucked. The transfer business looks dire and Wagner is left to try and work miracles with a squad weaker than last season. It’s ridiculous, we’re trying to compete in the premier league not be a finishing school for young players who if they are any good well probably have to give away when we’re relegated. And why the hell sell Ince unless we’re gonna replace with better.... utter madness. I would imagine people are quietly seething within the club and we may see some changes, recruitment is absolutely vital, we need to be very, very good at it to compete and from what I’ve seen recently we’re nowhere near. Don’t like to single out players but flo is another sub standard signing, nowhere near good enough and hasn’t improved in a full season. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 2, 2018 10:01:28 GMT 1
Hopefully they’ll both turn out well but we needed players to be ready 4 weeks ago, not in a few months when we’re already fucked. The transfer business looks dire and Wagner is left to try and work miracles with a squad weaker than last season. It’s ridiculous, we’re trying to compete in the premier league not be a finishing school for young players who if they are any good well probably have to give away when we’re relegated. And why the hell sell Ince unless we’re gonna replace with better.... utter madness. I would imagine people are quietly seething within the club and we may see some changes, recruitment is absolutely vital, we need to be very, very good at it to compete and from what I’ve seen recently we’re nowhere near. Don’t like to single out players but flo is another sub standard signing, nowhere near good enough and hasn’t improved in a full season. Flo had some great games last season, even at Old Trafford. |
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 2, 2018 11:19:30 GMT 1
Mbenza for example. How do you know he is way below what we need? Have you seen him play enough to make an educated decision? If so, how many games should a player play to be judged? If not, how do you know he isn’t good enough? Honest questions, just curious. Mbenza awful against Cardiff for his 22 minutes and crap against Stokes second team. Diakhaby awful today and last week. Sabiri poor again against Stoke and replaced after 45. Bacuna can't even get a subs spot. That is NOT good recruitment...we could have just blown out instead on one good known right winger who we know would do the job (and been a sight damn cheaper in the long run). Diakhaby wasn't awful yesterday. He made some absolutely superb runs off the ball and we didn't find him. He work rate was good which kept Digne honest and that nullified a lot of Evertons threat down that side. He is young and raw, but seeing him play well against Leipzig (think it was them) and slot a very good one on one past the keeper leads me to believe has has something. I do agree that the recruitment was underwhelmin though. Rebbe and the rest had 3 months to address a massive problem in the creativity department and were left scrambling around up until the last minute on deadline day to bring in Mbenza which seems very strange to me |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 11:45:33 GMT 1
Mbenza awful against Cardiff for his 22 minutes and crap against Stokes second team. Diakhaby awful today and last week. Sabiri poor again against Stoke and replaced after 45. Bacuna can't even get a subs spot. That is NOT good recruitment...we could have just blown out instead on one good known right winger who we know would do the job (and been a sight damn cheaper in the long run). Diakhaby wasn't awful yesterday. He made some absolutely superb runs off the ball and we didn't find him. He work rate was good which kept Digne honest and that nullified a lot of Evertons threat down that side. He is young and raw, but seeing him play well against Leipzig (think it was them) and slot a very good one on one past the keeper leads me to believe has has something. I do agree that the recruitment was underwhelmin though. Rebbe and the rest had 3 months to address a massive problem in the creativity department and were left scrambling around up until the last minute on deadline day to bring in Mbenza which seems very strange to me Give the lads a break he did make some good runs yesterday but for some on here towrite them off so soon just confirms wghat I have said for ages they havnt a clue about the pro game. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 11:58:30 GMT 1
I disagree about not great technically but agree about physically, which I think for Town is great news as the technical side is usually instinct but physically he can be built up. I still think he will be a very good signing for us. Hopefully they’ll both turn out well but we needed players to be ready 4 weeks ago, not in a few months when we’re already fucked. The transfer business looks dire and Wagner is left to try and work miracles with a squad weaker than last season. It’s ridiculous, we’re trying to compete in the premier league not be a finishing school for young players who if they are any good well probably have to give away when we’re relegated. And why the hell sell Ince unless we’re gonna replace with better.... utter madness. I would imagine people are quietly seething within the club and we may see some changes, recruitment is absolutely vital, we need to be very, very good at it to compete and from what I’ve seen recently we’re nowhere near. Don’t like to single out players but flo is another sub standard signing, nowhere near good enough and hasn’t improved in a full season. The current crop of new signings need more time before they’re judged. In the last few years our recruitment has been sensational- Schindler, Mooy, vlp, kachunga, Heff, Löwe got us promoted. Then Lossl, Zanka, Ince, kongolo, moonie & LDP kept us up. Agree we need our next batch of recruits to settle in quickly but DH still has his hand firmly on the wheel and I see no reason to think the latest batch won’t contribute as there predecessors have. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 2, 2018 12:01:40 GMT 1
I disagree about not great technically but agree about physically, which I think for Town is great news as the technical side is usually instinct but physically he can be built up. I still think he will be a very good signing for us. , not in a few months when we’re already fucked. The transfer business looks dire and Wagner is left to try and work miracles with a squad weaker than last season. It’s ridiculous, we’re trying to compete in the premier league not be a finishing school for young players who if they are any good well probably have to give away when we’re relegated. And why the hell sell Ince unless we’re gonna replace with better.... utter madness. I would imagine people are quietly seething within the club and we may see some changes, recruitment is absolutely vital, we need to be very, very good at it to compete and from what I’ve seen recently we’re nowhere near. Don’t like to single out players but flo is another sub standard signing, nowhere near good enough and hasn’t improved in a full season. ive got to agree with this. Said all along we should try and replace a couple of players with better standard players rather than take 5 or 6 that might come through in the end. Probably easier said than done with our wage limits though As for flo, he's be doing ok, but the introduction off Durm yesterday was really impressive for me. Think if/when he gets fit he'll be in the first 11 every week |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 12:47:36 GMT 1
Buying proven quality doesn't always guarantee you proven quality.
Anyone remember Chelsea signing Kezman, Shevchenko, Torres or Veron?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 2, 2018 13:01:58 GMT 1
Buying proven quality doesn't always guarantee you proven quality. Anyone remember Chelsea signing Kezman, Shevchenko, Torres or Veron? I remember Bradford in their second season went for big name quality; Collymore,Carbone, Petrescu They were hopeless that season as the big names didn’t work out at all and Bradford went down with 26 points ... 16 points from safety! |
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Post by royrace on Sept 2, 2018 13:04:48 GMT 1
Buying proven quality doesn't always guarantee you proven quality. Anyone remember Chelsea signing Kezman, Shevchenko, Torres or Veron? Buying someone good enough to start for Huddersfield Town in the Premier League would be a start! Players with the ability of Tom Ince for example or better since he's the one we let go. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by crux on Sept 2, 2018 13:05:12 GMT 1
It's amazing how Ince has improved, now he's been sold. I liked him and he always put a shift in. However he didn't have the pace or skill to create at this level and neither does Kachunga. Diakhaby looked OK yesterday, I'd give him sessions with Whitehead to toughen him up. Can't comment on Mbenza yet, far too early.
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Post by royrace on Sept 2, 2018 13:08:03 GMT 1
Buying proven quality doesn't always guarantee you proven quality. Anyone remember Chelsea signing Kezman, Shevchenko, Torres or Veron? I remember Bradford in their second season went for big name quality; Collymore,Carbone, Petrescu They were hopeless that season as the big names didn’t work out at all and Bradford went down with 26 points ... 16 points from safety! I don't think anyone is asking for big names, just good players who have been well scouted and have the required ability, as per players bought in the last two seasons, it's the last window that looks bad. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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