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Post by detox on Jan 19, 2019 19:49:44 GMT 1
VLP came on at half time and "rejuvenated Boro' " - apparently ...
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Jan 19, 2019 19:55:57 GMT 1
VLP came on at half time and "rejuvenated Boro' " - apparently ... He had bought some stuff from Superdrug and treated the lads to a pampering session |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 21:19:38 GMT 1
With respect that's too daft to be true, doesn't make any sense to me. How exactly is it daft to have a bad egg in the dressing room? Only saying what I know. And trust me the Hogg&Smith rollicking definitely took place. How the hell can you blame Van La Parra for what has allegedly taken place this week? Ps. You say what happened this week definitely took place, suggests the rest you're not so sure. |
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 19, 2019 21:25:48 GMT 1
How exactly is it daft to have a bad egg in the dressing room? Only saying what I know. And trust me the Hogg&Smith rollicking definitely took place. How the hell can you blame Van La Parra for what has allegedly taken place this week? Because he started the segregation months ago. Look I’m just saying what I’ve been told. Whether it’s the main reason or a small reason for our plight it’s the reason VLP was sidelined |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 21:34:19 GMT 1
How the hell can you blame Van La Parra for what has allegedly taken place this week? Because he started the segregation months ago. Look I’m just saying what I’ve been told. Whether it’s the main reason or a small reason for our plight it’s the reason VLP was sidelined Believe that, your choice. Personally think that's a pile of crap. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 19, 2019 21:54:54 GMT 1
Because he started the segregation months ago. Look I’m just saying what I’ve been told. Whether it’s the main reason or a small reason for our plight it’s the reason VLP was sidelined Believe that, your choice. Personally think that's a pile of crap. Tbf, Bigtruck seems to have inside info unlike most of the bullshit merchants on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 22:02:37 GMT 1
Believe that, your choice. Personally think that's a pile of crap. Tbf, Bigtruck seems to have inside info unlike most of the bullshit merchants on here. I've been told all sorts but i reckon i can work out the bull shit. Whatever the reason for VLPs transfer i hardly think he's the reason the French aren't talking to the Germans. |
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 19, 2019 23:24:48 GMT 1
Tbf, Bigtruck seems to have inside info unlike most of the bullshit merchants on here. I've been told all sorts but i reckon i can work out the bull shit. Whatever the reason for VLPs transfer i hardly think he's the reason the French aren't talking to the Germans. What I’m saying is VLP instigated certain groups speaking in their own language whilst at training, canalside etc. Eating separately at canalside etc. Something DW originally made a point of not allowing from the get go. I don’t think it’s just a case of the French not speaking to the Germans but if these things have been chipping away at the one thing we had over all the other clubs, our spirit then it’s probably best VLP has gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 0:11:24 GMT 1
I've been told all sorts but i reckon i can work out the bull shit. Whatever the reason for VLPs transfer i hardly think he's the reason the French aren't talking to the Germans. What I’m saying is VLP instigated certain groups speaking in their own language whilst at training, canalside etc. Eating separately at canalside etc. Something DW originally made a point of not allowing from the get go. I don’t think it’s just a case of the French not speaking to the Germans but if these things have been chipping away at the one thing we had over all the other clubs, our spirit then it’s probably best VLP has gone. I'm not going to say Van La Parra didn't cause disruption in the camp, however to say he personally persuaded the entire squad to go against Wagners principles is ridiculous in my opinion. Most of the squad signed in part because they are of the right character it just doesn't ring true with me. Leaders such as Schindler and Lowe just allowed this to happen? |
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 20, 2019 0:17:22 GMT 1
What I’m saying is VLP instigated certain groups speaking in their own language whilst at training, canalside etc. Eating separately at canalside etc. Something DW originally made a point of not allowing from the get go. I don’t think it’s just a case of the French not speaking to the Germans but if these things have been chipping away at the one thing we had over all the other clubs, our spirit then it’s probably best VLP has gone. I'm not going to say Van La Parra didn't cause disruption in the camp, however to say he personally persuaded the entire squad to go against Wagner is ridiculous in my opinion. Most of the squad signed in part because they are of the right character it just doesn't ring true with me. Leaders such asSchindler He hasn’t “persuaded the entire squad” but it’s quite apparent there is/was a group of 4-7 players. Might not be directly “against DW” but again if it’s been chipping away at the unity of the group... |
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Post by royrace on Jan 20, 2019 0:59:46 GMT 1
I'm not going to say Van La Parra didn't cause disruption in the camp, however to say he personally persuaded the entire squad to go against Wagner is ridiculous in my opinion. Most of the squad signed in part because they are of the right character it just doesn't ring true with me. Leaders such asSchindler He hasn’t “persuaded the entire squad” but it’s quite apparent there is/was a group of 4-7 players. Might not be directly “against DW” but again if it’s been chipping away at the unity of the group... I don't think the summer transfers helped at all, new lads coming in, on big money, not good enough but taking places in the match day squad, ain't gonna breed a happy camp. You don't need to be a psychologist to work that one out. I don't like to make too much of initial interviews but the lads brought in at summer were as underwhelming as the lads initially brought in by Wagner were impressive. His early signings seemed great characters, leaders, enthusiastic, determined, intelligent. The summer lads didn't. I know language barrier doesn't help. I also think moving on the likes of Hef and Ince probably didn't help, Hef in particular, massive character. I imagine VLP didn't cope very well with being pushed down the pecking order by three new wingers who weren't anywhere near as good as him. Understandable really. Will be a great asset in the Championship for someone a he was for us. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by est1908 on Jan 20, 2019 2:45:34 GMT 1
I've been told all sorts but i reckon i can work out the bull shit. Whatever the reason for VLPs transfer i hardly think he's the reason the French aren't talking to the Germans. What I’m saying is VLP instigated certain groups speaking in their own language whilst at training, canalside etc. Eating separately at canalside etc. Something DW originally made a point of not allowing from the get go. I don’t think it’s just a case of the French not speaking to the Germans but if these things have been chipping away at the one thing we had over all the other clubs, our spirit then it’s probably best VLP has gone. Even if it was true? It doesn't effect Mounie getting sent off (for nothing), Mooy/Williams/Sabiri getting injured, battering Bournemouth and losing, missing chances, January targets not wanting to come because we slipped down the league, generally playing better thean last season, summer transfers not up to up and Lee fucking Mason..... |
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 20, 2019 8:36:53 GMT 1
What I’m saying is VLP instigated certain groups speaking in their own language whilst at training, canalside etc. Eating separately at canalside etc. Something DW originally made a point of not allowing from the get go. I don’t think it’s just a case of the French not speaking to the Germans but if these things have been chipping away at the one thing we had over all the other clubs, our spirit then it’s probably best VLP has gone. Even if it was true? It doesn't effect Mounie getting sent off (for nothing), Mooy/Williams/Sabiri getting injured, battering Bournemouth and losing, missing chances, January targets not wanting to come because we slipped down the league, generally playing better thean last season, summer transfers not up to up and Lee fucking Mason..... Jeez I know that. The conversation is about why VLP left the club and why I wouldn’t want him back. BUT it will have contributed to our poor form along with everything you mentioned. |
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Post by artysid on Feb 18, 2019 14:24:05 GMT 1
Will a spell on Boro's bench be giving him a reality check?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 18, 2019 14:38:42 GMT 1
Will a spell on Boro's bench be giving him a reality check? He probably sees it as an improvement, just getting in the matchday squad...  His biggest issue for me was his show pony stuff. He could clearly be effective, but it was almost as though he wanted to beat a man 3 times over, instead of getting on with it after he'd beaten him the first time... He'll be one of our (many), more recent Simon Baldry's, or Tim Clarke's... |
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Post by royrace on Feb 18, 2019 14:44:19 GMT 1
Will a spell on Boro's bench be giving him a reality check? Did he need one? As far as I can tell he did one interview where he basically said he wanted to be as successful as be possibly can be, same as Zanka. Not sure what has gone on in the background but he was clearly pissed off at not starting and being behind Diakbenza and Sobhi, I don't blame him tbh. Dont know much about Boro but they're clearly having a decent season and I guess he's not been needed so far. Clubs sign loan players to have as an option, doesn't mean they're all of a sudden guaranteed to start every match, depends how it pans out. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2019 16:45:06 GMT 1
Will a spell on Boro's bench be giving him a reality check? Did he need one? As far as I can tell he did one interview where he basically said he wanted to be as successful as be possibly can be, same as Zanka. Not sure what has gone on in the background but he was clearly pissed off at not starting and being behind Diakbenza and Sobhi, I don't blame him tbh. Dont know much about Boro but they're clearly having a decent season and I guess he's not been needed so far. Clubs sign loan players to have as an option, doesn't mean they're all of a sudden guaranteed to start every match, depends how it pans out. It was a strange place for him to go with them having as defensive a coach as Pulis |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 16:53:22 GMT 1
Will a spell on Boro's bench be giving him a reality check? I feel sorry for the Barcelona scouts who traveled all the way to Middlesbrough to watch him sit on the bench. |
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Post by royrace on Feb 18, 2019 16:56:58 GMT 1
Did he need one? As far as I can tell he did one interview where he basically said he wanted to be as successful as be possibly can be, same as Zanka. Not sure what has gone on in the background but he was clearly pissed off at not starting and being behind Diakbenza and Sobhi, I don't blame him tbh. Dont know much about Boro but they're clearly having a decent season and I guess he's not been needed so far. Clubs sign loan players to have as an option, doesn't mean they're all of a sudden guaranteed to start every match, depends how it pans out. It was a strange place for him to go with them having as defensive a coach as Pulis They're apparently doing fine without him and I guess Pulis has him for a plan B should he need him, not the best move for the player if he was after minutes on the pitch but you can see Pulis point of view and why its good for him, why upset the apple cart when they're grinding out results and in the play off pack. He keeps VLP in his back pocket in case needed. Great for Tony not so great for VLP which begs the question why not bring him back to let Jan take a look. |
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Post by impact on Feb 18, 2019 20:39:45 GMT 1
Stupid decision to let him go out on loan, we either needed a chunky fee for him or we should be using him and giving Jan a chance to properly see him. Sending him to a club who don't play him is even more stupid.
He can be as frustrating as hell but I'd have him starting at the moment and it's certainly better than having no backup at all on the bench.
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Post by est1908 on Feb 18, 2019 21:15:58 GMT 1
Stupid decision to let him go out on loan, we either needed a chunky fee for him or we should be using him and giving Jan a chance to properly see him. Sending him to a club who don't play him is even more stupid. He can be as frustrating as hell but I'd have him starting at the moment and it's certainly better than having no backup at all on the bench. A reserve to D & M will all he will be, in my eyes, IF he comes back.... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 21:31:33 GMT 1
Stupid decision to let him go out on loan, we either needed a chunky fee for him or we should be using him and giving Jan a chance to properly see him. Sending him to a club who don't play him is even more stupid. He can be as frustrating as hell but I'd have him starting at the moment and it's certainly better than having no backup at all on the bench. How can we be sure it's stupid? We don't really know the reason he was basically frozen out. If for example he was causing problems in the club, he may well have burnt his bridges. Can we guarantee any players we bring in game time? We have had loans in the past that have barely played. I was/am a Van La Parra fan. Guess we'll find out in the summer if Jan wants him. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 18, 2019 21:48:01 GMT 1
VLP moved us up the pitch lighting quick.
He will always have his critics but I loved watching him and personally hope we have him back for next season.
At Championship level he scared the life out of defenders.
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Post by est1908 on Feb 18, 2019 21:53:32 GMT 1
VLP moved us up the pitch lighting quick. He will always have his critics but I loved watching him and personally hope we have him back for next season. At Championship level he scared the life out of defenders.( eg. Bruno v Brighton ) If VLP could do it, it will be a piece of piss for D & M.....  If we go down...  |
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Post by impact on Feb 18, 2019 21:59:41 GMT 1
Stupid decision to let him go out on loan, we either needed a chunky fee for him or we should be using him and giving Jan a chance to properly see him. Sending him to a club who don't play him is even more stupid. He can be as frustrating as hell but I'd have him starting at the moment and it's certainly better than having no backup at all on the bench. A reserve to D & M will all he will be, in my eyes, IF he comes back.... We have 3 wingers right now, and all 3 have been starting with 1 up front. VLP is better than Kachunga for sure. I would prefer him over the other 2 still. |
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Post by arry11 on Feb 18, 2019 22:00:27 GMT 1
Will a spell on Boro's bench be giving him a reality check? I feel sorry for the Barcelona scouts who traveled all the way to Middlesbrough to watch him sit on the bench. Why if he played they will soon leave.  |
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Post by est1908 on Feb 18, 2019 22:12:09 GMT 1
A reserve to D & M will all he will be, in my eyes, IF he comes back.... We have 3 wingers right now, and all 3 have been starting with 1 up front. VLP is better than Kachunga for sure. I would prefer him over the other 2 still. I wouldn't... Jan won't even know who he is either! |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2019 22:44:36 GMT 1
A reserve to D & M will all he will be, in my eyes, IF he comes back.... We have 3 wingers right now, and all 3 have been starting with 1 up front. VLP is better than Kachunga for sure. I would prefer him over the other 2 still. Him, Adama and Isaac would be the 3 fighting for 2 places for me |
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Post by impact on Feb 18, 2019 22:49:57 GMT 1
We have 3 wingers right now, and all 3 have been starting with 1 up front. VLP is better than Kachunga for sure. I would prefer him over the other 2 still. Him, Adama and Isaac would be the 3 fighting for 2 places for me I'd have thought so. But with 1 of our wingers playing up front he'd be starting right now. |
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Post by drumriggend on Feb 18, 2019 23:31:58 GMT 1
If he hadn't been caught butt fooking Wagner's granny he'd still be here now..
He made bad decisions..
Don't sodomize the bosses family..
Life lessons..
I only made that mistake twice..
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