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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 17, 2019 14:04:39 GMT 1
Hopefully not. He was one of the main reasons for our lack of goals. We need wingers who will supply the ammunition for our strikers, not show ponies. #AdamHamill The difference with Hammill was that he produced the goods. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 17, 2019 14:08:16 GMT 1
Hopefully not. He was one of the main reasons for our lack of goals. We need wingers who will supply the ammunition for our strikers, not show ponies. If that was remotely true then the fact he's barely appeared for Town this season should have seen us kick on? He wasn't necessarily the answer for us but he was at least the best winger in the squad, and you could argue that's not a great benchmark, but he was not the 'main' reason for our lack of goals. The reason for that goes far deeper and is related to how we setup the team and how we attack as a team. VLP played most of last season when we were the joint lowest scorers in the division and his lack of end product for the strikers was the reason we signed 3 wingers in the summer. The fact that they proved to be no better is another matter. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 17, 2019 15:13:54 GMT 1
The difference with Hammill was that he produced the goods. Let's get him back then. He's only at Scunthorpe so he could be tempted. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 17, 2019 15:19:41 GMT 1
The difference with Hammill was that he produced the goods. Let's get him back then. He's only at Scunthorpe so he could be tempted. Not suggesting for a minute that we get him back, just pointing out that he was far more productive than VLP. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 17, 2019 15:22:50 GMT 1
Let's get him back then. He's only at Scunthorpe so he could be tempted. Not suggesting for a minute that we get him back, just pointing out that he was far more productive than VLP. Maybe so. I didn't mind hammil tbh. I think van la parra is more productive than mbenza and diakhaby though. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 17, 2019 17:05:21 GMT 1
Hopefully get Lolley next season, been v good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 18:09:45 GMT 1
Not suggesting for a minute that we get him back, just pointing out that he was far more productive than VLP. Maybe so. I didn't mind hammil tbh. I think van la parra is more productive than mbenza and diakhaby though. I really don't get that at all. VLP had 2 full seasons to produce and rarely did. I don't think Mbenza and Diakhaby have had anywhere near enough chances, and not in a team setup to exploit their talent, to be judged. I really hope to see an aggressive, attacking setup next season which will play to their strengths. |
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Post by explorer on Mar 17, 2019 18:15:27 GMT 1
VLP has had his day. He’s what 27/28? How is he suddenly going to change his whole style of play into a productive, goal-scoring winger? Mbenza and/or Diakhaby may or may not be the answer but they have potential and more importantly youth on their side. They can be moulded.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 17, 2019 19:50:43 GMT 1
Let's get him back then. He's only at Scunthorpe so he could be tempted. Not suggesting for a minute that we get him back, just pointing out that he was far more productive than VLP. He was also a show pony....Never beat a man, certainly not after his arm break. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 22:07:41 GMT 1
Hopefully get Lolley next season, been v good. Let it go Nick. We don’t need him. He’s been very good in a bit an miss forest team. Worked out elsewhere and seemingly not here. Like a bad ex girlfriend, leave it alone |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 19, 2019 19:11:38 GMT 1
Reports that VLP has been frozen out at Boro., get him back.
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Post by arry11 on Mar 19, 2019 19:41:16 GMT 1
Reports that VLP has been frozen out at Boro., get him back. Our club needs to look forward not backwards. |
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Post by detox on Mar 19, 2019 19:57:46 GMT 1
I think VLP was as much a victim of our slow, sideways,safety first build up as anyone...Most of the time he got the ball, looked up and there was no bugger to cross to..Mounie' or Depoitre were yards behind him..so what does he do, hold up the ball, get surrounded by defenders, play it back to Schindler... I think jans more attack minded set upwould suit VLP far more and maybe Jan will bring him back just to have a look...?
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 19, 2019 20:02:42 GMT 1
Always rated him. Yes, he’s frustrating as hell and his end product can leave a lot to be desired, but that’s why he’s not playing at a higher level. Perfectly good in the Championship.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 19, 2019 20:07:03 GMT 1
Always rated him. Yes, he’s frustrating as hell and his end product can leave a lot to be desired, but that’s why he’s not playing at a higher level. Perfectly good in the Championship. He will be superb next season, supplying Grant. |
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Post by arry11 on Mar 19, 2019 20:11:04 GMT 1
Always rated him. Yes, he’s frustrating as hell and his end product can leave a lot to be desired, but that’s why he’s not playing at a higher level. Perfectly good in the Championship. No consistency one good game a year even in the Championship we need players who bring something to the game week in week out time we moved on. |
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Post by arry11 on Mar 19, 2019 20:21:10 GMT 1
Always rated him. Yes, he’s frustrating as hell and his end product can leave a lot to be desired, but that’s why he’s not playing at a higher level. Perfectly good in the Championship. He will be superb next season, supplying Grant. Hilarious comment the guy can't pass or cross a ball stands still never runs beyond the last defenders. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 19, 2019 20:25:17 GMT 1
He will be superb next season, supplying Grant. Hilarious comment the guy can't pass or cross a ball stands still never runs beyond the last defenders. Jan will rebuild him. |
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Post by arry11 on Mar 19, 2019 20:28:17 GMT 1
Hilarious comment the guy can't pass or cross a ball stands still never runs beyond the last defenders. Jan will rebuild him. Stop talking crap the guys is not a kid if he can't pass or cross a ball by now he will never learn. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Mar 19, 2019 20:49:51 GMT 1
Sounds like he's on his way back to Town. With all the falling down and arsing about be back by the start of next season. Possibly.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 19, 2019 20:50:54 GMT 1
Stop talking crap the guys is not a kid if he can't pass or cross a ball by now he will never learn. I actually like him, he makes space for other players , think he will be ok next season. |
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Post by arry11 on Mar 19, 2019 21:00:28 GMT 1
Stop talking crap the guys is not a kid if he can't pass or cross a ball by now he will never learn. I actually like him, he makes space for other players , think he will be ok next season. What are you babbling on about we have tested the opposition defence and keeper far more without him in the side. I would like to see players who can play at a better level than VLP a must if we want to go back up and stay. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 21:07:25 GMT 1
Reports that VLP has been frozen out at Boro., get him back. Not to worry, the weather forecast for the North East this next week is mild. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 19, 2019 21:09:44 GMT 1
Like him or not. It’s true about him creating space for others. He’s also key to moving the ball forward quickly and was a regular under Wagner last time we were in the Championship.
I like him. He’s an exciting player to watch and I think he will have a lot to prove when/if he returns.
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Post by arry11 on Mar 19, 2019 21:15:50 GMT 1
Like him or not. It’s true about him creating space for others. He’s also key to moving the ball forward quickly and was a regular under Wagner last time we were in the Championship. I like him. He’s an exciting player to watch and I think he will have a lot to prove when/if he returns. You mean the space he should have been exploiting and the reason we spent far more time defending. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Mar 19, 2019 21:24:26 GMT 1
VLP can carry a ball forward and release the pressure. Then fall down. And cause pressure. He can beat a man. Then beat him again. Then fall over. He's a rank average championship/below player that thinks he's better than he is. Picture him striding to the Middlesbrough training ground with his cronies on deadline day. I've spent more time playing than him since, and I'm 42 kicking about with my 9yo in a car park.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 19, 2019 21:54:05 GMT 1
Not sure it’s understood why VLP isn’t getting game time at Boro. He’s playing for a coach who is totally negative. So much so that when they were 2-1 down last week, in the 2nd half he replaced Assombolonga his main striker with a full back!
I know this because I have a Boro supporting neighbour. The real mystery is why Pauli’s wanted him in the first place.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 19, 2019 21:54:58 GMT 1
Sorry. I of course meant Pulis not Paul’s .
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Post by arry11 on Mar 19, 2019 21:58:30 GMT 1
Not sure it’s understood why VLP isn’t getting game time at Boro. He’s playing for a coach who is totally negative. So much so that when they were 2-1 down last week, in the 2nd half he replaced Assombolonga his main striker with a full back! I know this because I have a Boro supporting neighbour. The real mystery is why Pauli’s wanted him in the first place. . Beats me too.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 22:00:51 GMT 1
I think his defensive abilities are also under rated. He often tracked back and won the ball.
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