Feel strange

[smax]

I would be happy if DW stayed for another 3years but I’d also be happy if he left.

However my over riding feeling is that we would spiral further down without him. Just let the lads play football David.

[Deleted]

It’s not going to happen, but I’d be happiest of all if he took a break until May and came back to us at the start of pre season.

Get some lunatic in charge for a temporary basis.

[upthetown]

Would rather go down fighting playing Wagner football from his first two games (Sheff Wed away and Middlesborough home) than watch this timid, risk averse, mess we seem to have become.

We still never get bodies in the box.

[terrierbite]

I feel similar ,not desperate to get rid of DW just desperate for a change in fortune and that may only get better with somebody in charge or at very least with some help bought in for DW ,at the moment he seems paralysed with fear and trots out the same broken English response as he has done all season ,last year his English seemed a lot easier ,don't think he can get across what he wants to truthfully say because of the Language difference ,not a xenophobic response by the way

[champ]

We will spiral with him. Tonight was a test to see how we compare to championship standards and we once again showed everyone how garbage we are. Amy premier league side losing to a team outside of the premier league used to be classed as a giant killing but I think it would have been the other way round tonight.

[smax]

I just think that he is the best we will get. If we move DW on what or who next? He needs to play with no limits again.

[omegasupreme]

I feel strange as well. I still don't necessarily want him to leave (and I wouldn't sack him). Yet, 9 losses in a row - you would have to say he's pretty lucky to have such a good chairman. Feels as though there's something badly wrong at the moment and its not just because the premier league is "hard".

[omegasupreme]

Jan 5, 2019 21:15:03 GMT 1 upthetown said:

Would rather go down fighting playing Wagner football from his first two games (Sheff Wed away and Middlesborough home) than watch this timid, risk averse, mess we seem to have become.

We still never get bodies in the box.

Thank you! ever since the Spurs home game last season, Wagner has become obsessed with stopping the opposition. Totally obsessed. I don't see the game today, but I'm guessing we didn't give Bristol City something to worry about. 

[bigfatmonkey]

Jan 5, 2019 21:29:00 GMT 1 omegasupreme said:

Jan 5, 2019 21:15:03 GMT 1 upthetown said:

Would rather go down fighting playing Wagner football from his first two games (Sheff Wed away and Middlesborough home) than watch this timid, risk averse, mess we seem to have become.

We still never get bodies in the box.

Thank you! ever since the Spurs home game last season, Wagner has become obsessed with stopping the opposition. Totally obsessed. I don't see the game today, but I'm guessing we didn't give Bristol City something to worry about. 

Spurs at home for Wagner was like Peterborough at Old Trafford for Lee Clark. Everything changed.

[JRx]

I am one of those who don't want to see Wagner sacked and he will always be a legend at our club.

Early in the season we were playing well and getting unlucky, we hit the woodwork more than I've ever seen in probably a few seasons combined.

However that's now changed to poor performances and we look beaten, especially when something goes wrong you can visibly see everyone's heads drop even more.

No matter how bad the performances have become, this is still the best selection of players I've ever seen playing for Town. I've seen them come back from relegation and the brink all the way back from league 2 and I never thought we'd ever get to the Premier league.

All of the above is starting to get tarnished and it feels like it's time for Wagner to step down. I still wouldn't want to sack him but I would almost be relieved if he handed in his resignation.

With hindsight its a shame wagner didn't get poached in the summer like we all thought would happen.

[smax]

We should all watch the Sunderland documentary. Flash Harry ceo,dummy’s for managers and scouts on their way to watch Scunthorpe.. DH and DW are probably the best for us. I still feel torn though. We all know what a protest vote and decision can cause.

[terriers321]

Jan 5, 2019 21:29:00 GMT 1 omegasupreme said:

Jan 5, 2019 21:15:03 GMT 1 upthetown said:

Would rather go down fighting playing Wagner football from his first two games (Sheff Wed away and Middlesborough home) than watch this timid, risk averse, mess we seem to have become.

We still never get bodies in the box.

Thank you! ever since the Spurs home game last season, Wagner has become obsessed with stopping the opposition. Totally obsessed. I don't see the game today, but I'm guessing we didn't give Bristol City something to worry about. 

Last season i still felt (stupidly sometimes) we could pick up a result against anyone, especially at home. I always had it in the back of my head before a match we could get something even against the bigger teams or atleast give them a game.

This year, im approaching the game expecting to lose against everyone.

I had today down as a 1-0 loss. Somethings a miss.

Change is needed. New players, tactics, manager whatever it is, it cannot remain exactly the same as it is.

[thrice]

Leaving Burnley I told my mates that I couldn’t bring myself to support him getting the axe but I would gladly loan him out until the summer.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Is he as good a manager as we all thought?

He's not showing any signs at the moment that he knows how to turn things around

[Mav]

Some good posts in this thread.
I too feel proper mixed up about our situation.
I actually wish I could fast forward to the end of the season and start looking forward to the summer signings, new training facilities, Wagner in charge, Dean healthy and a fucking spring back in our step.

Mixed feelings but sticking with it.

Cheers lads. UTFT.

[drumriggend]

Tbh I've been wrestling with my own opinion for weeks..
I think it would be tragic to sack dw..
But I can't see another way forward..
And I feel dirty for having that thought..
It's all gone to bollox in 5 weeks..
What The fook is going on??
Deano must act....
Now...
Time to go Dave...
😪😪😪😪😪

[Mav]

Jan 5, 2019 23:28:42 GMT 1 drumriggend said:

Tbh I've been wrestling with my own opinion for weeks..
I think it would be tragic to sack dw..
But I can't see another way forward..
And I feel dirty for having that thought..
It's all gone to bollox in 5 weeks..
What The fook is going on??
Deano must act....
Now...
Time to go Dave...
😪😪😪😪😪

A word from the club or something?
Statement?
i know Dean put out that statement the other week but it seems to have back fired a bit.
Gutted. 

[Frankiesleftpeg]

Jan 5, 2019 23:28:42 GMT 1 drumriggend said:

Tbh I've been wrestling with my own opinion for weeks..
I think it would be tragic to sack dw..
But I can't see another way forward..
And I feel dirty for having that thought..
It's all gone to bollox in 5 weeks..
What The fook is going on??
Deano must act....
Now...
Time to go Dave...
😪😪😪😪😪

I think a lot of us do and it will be a sad day when Wagner leaves whether he's sacked or he walks, but there comes a time in most mangerial careers when its time to go and we're rapidly nearing that time with Wagner.

[impact]

Jan 5, 2019 21:31:02 GMT 1 bigfatmonkey said:

Jan 5, 2019 21:29:00 GMT 1 omegasupreme said:

Thank you! ever since the Spurs home game last season, Wagner has become obsessed with stopping the opposition. Totally obsessed. I don't see the game today, but I'm guessing we didn't give Bristol City something to worry about. 

Spurs at home for Wagner was like Peterborough at Old Trafford for Lee Clark. Everything changed.

Except it didn't. It's a true and proper DATM fact though.

Did we play differently against the top 6? Yes. And ended up taking 5 vital points off them. This year we played better against all of those sides in the corresponding games, apart from City.

Did we play differently against other sides around us? Until December this year, no. We played the same sort of football which beat Palace and Newcastle.

The change has come in the past month or so, for whatever reason, along with the change in formation this season.

[impact]

Jan 5, 2019 21:36:05 GMT 1 terriers321 said:

Jan 5, 2019 21:29:00 GMT 1 omegasupreme said:

Thank you! ever since the Spurs home game last season, Wagner has become obsessed with stopping the opposition. Totally obsessed. I don't see the game today, but I'm guessing we didn't give Bristol City something to worry about. 

Last season i still felt (stupidly sometimes) we could pick up a result against anyone, especially at home. I always had it in the back of my head before a match we could get something even against the bigger teams or atleast give them a game.

This year, im approaching the game expecting to lose against everyone.

I had today down as a 1-0 loss. Somethings a miss.

Change is needed. New players, tactics, manager whatever it is, it cannot remain exactly the same as it is.

Question here. Did you feel like that before December, or since? Because to me this year I've seen a lot of games where I thought we were unlucky and I was still pretty upbeat. Since the Saints game though, that's all disappeared.

[ACW]

Jan 6, 2019 1:03:58 GMT 1 impact said:

Jan 5, 2019 21:36:05 GMT 1 terriers321 said:

Last season i still felt (stupidly sometimes) we could pick up a result against anyone, especially at home. I always had it in the back of my head before a match we could get something even against the bigger teams or atleast give them a game.

This year, im approaching the game expecting to lose against everyone.

I had today down as a 1-0 loss. Somethings a miss.

Change is needed. New players, tactics, manager whatever it is, it cannot remain exactly the same as it is.

Question here. Did you feel like that before December, or since? Because to me this year I've seen a lot of games where I thought we were unlucky and I was still pretty upbeat. Since the Saints game though, that's all disappeared.

Agreed. We've been losing games all season, but the really poor performances only started quite recently.

The worrying thing now is that results continue to be poor but we no longer have reasonable performances to give us hope that they may change.

[Deleted]

Wagner got us up with zero money. He’s the man I want if we go down with £70m in parachute payments.

With the caveat of a new head of recruitment, get rid of the dead wood and grow your bloody balls back though please David.

[trailingleg]

Without Mooy we are rudderless. He is the main reason for the team's balance and stability. We were down as soon as we lost him.

[Jack]

Jan 6, 2019 1:10:34 GMT 1 ACW said:

Jan 6, 2019 1:03:58 GMT 1 impact said:

Question here. Did you feel like that before December, or since? Because to me this year I've seen a lot of games where I thought we were unlucky and I was still pretty upbeat. Since the Saints game though, that's all disappeared.

Agreed. We've been losing games all season, but the really poor performances only started quite recently.

The worrying thing now is that results continue to be poor but we no longer have reasonable performances to give us hope that they may change.

It's understandable to some extent that poor performances will follow a sustained period of good performances without good results.

If we'd won at Everton and/or Burnley early season I suspect we'd be in a very different position now.

[BLUE&WHITE]

Jan 6, 2019 1:03:58 GMT 1 impact said:

Jan 5, 2019 21:36:05 GMT 1 terriers321 said:

Last season i still felt (stupidly sometimes) we could pick up a result against anyone, especially at home. I always had it in the back of my head before a match we could get something even against the bigger teams or atleast give them a game.

This year, im approaching the game expecting to lose against everyone.

I had today down as a 1-0 loss. Somethings a miss.

Change is needed. New players, tactics, manager whatever it is, it cannot remain exactly the same as it is.

Question here. Did you feel like that before December, or since? Because to me this year I've seen a lot of games where I thought we were unlucky and I was still pretty upbeat. Since the Saints game though, that's all disappeared.

Since Mooys injury and mounies sending off

[willo]

Jan 6, 2019 1:03:58 GMT 1 impact said:

Jan 5, 2019 21:36:05 GMT 1 terriers321 said:

Last season i still felt (stupidly sometimes) we could pick up a result against anyone, especially at home. I always had it in the back of my head before a match we could get something even against the bigger teams or atleast give them a game.

This year, im approaching the game expecting to lose against everyone.

I had today down as a 1-0 loss. Somethings a miss.

Change is needed. New players, tactics, manager whatever it is, it cannot remain exactly the same as it is.

Question here. Did you feel like that before December, or since? Because to me this year I've seen a lot of games where I thought we were unlucky and I was still pretty upbeat. Since the Saints game though, that's all disappeared.

I always thought that (with the occasional exception) up until the Soton game, we had generally played well with one problem, we never looked like scoring, Wolves aside, many goals. I also realised that we were probably playing as well as we were likely to but still weren’t getting the wins almost entirely down to the fact we couldn’t score goals and that at some point, the level of performance would drop. This has now happened with almost catastrophic consequences. If truth be told, not really sure where we go from here although I have advocated a change of manager elsewhere. I do know one thing, seeing out the season with only Mounie & Depoitre to choose from up front is unthinkable. They are so poor it’s depressing. In fact I’d go as far to say they are as bad a front pair as I’ve seen watching Town in 40 years, appreciate they’re playing in the Premier League but 1(!) goal between them in over half a season. You couldn’t make it up.

[ACW]

Jan 6, 2019 1:23:48 GMT 1 trailingleg said:

Without Mooy we are rudderless. He is the main reason for the team's balance and stability. We were down as soon as we lost him.

The loss of Mooy can't be understated. He's the heartbeat of our team. As amazing as Wagner and Hoyle have been for Town off the pitch, Mooy has been the main reason for our recent success on it.

Even at Wolves - our best performance this season - without Mooy's quality finishing we don't win that game.

We were going to lose him anyway, but not until the new year - after our run of playing relegation rivals. We struggled to get results before he was injured, but we always have a chance with him in the team. Without him we lose his quality, control and work ethic. And we have no one who comes close to replacing him.

[Frankiesleftpeg]

Jan 6, 2019 1:26:37 GMT 1 willo said:

Jan 6, 2019 1:03:58 GMT 1 impact said:

Question here. Did you feel like that before December, or since? Because to me this year I've seen a lot of games where I thought we were unlucky and I was still pretty upbeat. Since the Saints game though, that's all disappeared.

I always thought that (with the occasional exception) up until the Soton game, we had generally played well with one problem, we never looked like scoring, Wolves aside, many goals. I also realised that we were probably playing as well as we were likely to but still weren’t getting the wins almost entirely down to the fact we couldn’t score goals and that at some point, the level of performance would drop. This has now happened with almost catastrophic consequences. If truth be told, not really sure where we go from here although I have advocated a change of manager elsewhere. I do know one thing, seeing out the season with only Mounie & Depoitre to choose from up front is unthinkable. They are so poor it’s depressing. In fact I’d go as far to say they are as bad a front pair as I’ve seen watching Town in 40 years, appreciate they’re playing in the Premier League but 1(!) goal between them in over half a season. You couldn’t make it up.

They're not a pair though, its usually one or the other except for the last 10/15 mins sometimes when we're hoping for a miracle.

Most teams who score regularly have more than one up front and get plenty of bodies in the box. We don't and haven't done for most of the last three seasons, hence our poor goalscoring record.

[willo]

Jan 6, 2019 1:32:43 GMT 1 Frankiesleftpeg said:

Jan 6, 2019 1:26:37 GMT 1 willo said:

I always thought that (with the occasional exception) up until the Soton game, we had generally played well with one problem, we never looked like scoring, Wolves aside, many goals. I also realised that we were probably playing as well as we were likely to but still weren’t getting the wins almost entirely down to the fact we couldn’t score goals and that at some point, the level of performance would drop. This has now happened with almost catastrophic consequences. If truth be told, not really sure where we go from here although I have advocated a change of manager elsewhere. I do know one thing, seeing out the season with only Mounie & Depoitre to choose from up front is unthinkable. They are so poor it’s depressing. In fact I’d go as far to say they are as bad a front pair as I’ve seen watching Town in 40 years, appreciate they’re playing in the Premier League but 1(!) goal between them in over half a season. You couldn’t make it up.

They're not a pair though, its usually one or the other except for the last 10/15 mins sometimes when we're hoping for a miracle.

Most teams who score regularly have more than one up front and get plenty of bodies in the box. We don't and haven't done for most of the last three seasons, hence our poor goalscoring record.

Sorry, I’ve described them as a front pair when they rarely play together. That could have been worded better. I meant 2 of the worst strikers I’ve seen in Town shirts period. Depoitre, words fail me. Mounie, will never be prolific but at least try & make it look you are actually bothered sometimes.

[terriers321]

Jan 6, 2019 1:03:58 GMT 1 impact said:

Jan 5, 2019 21:36:05 GMT 1 terriers321 said:

Last season i still felt (stupidly sometimes) we could pick up a result against anyone, especially at home. I always had it in the back of my head before a match we could get something even against the bigger teams or atleast give them a game.

This year, im approaching the game expecting to lose against everyone.

I had today down as a 1-0 loss. Somethings a miss.

Change is needed. New players, tactics, manager whatever it is, it cannot remain exactly the same as it is.

Question here. Did you feel like that before December, or since? Because to me this year I've seen a lot of games where I thought we were unlucky and I was still pretty upbeat. Since the Saints game though, that's all disappeared.

I was worried before December. I didn’t go along with the we are a better team than last season narrative that was getting thrown around quite a bit. You have to score goals and we just havnt looked capable of doing that or creating them for most of the season. But I am realistic about It and new it was going to be a challenge to stay up this season. I could of handled relegation with the earlier performances, as disappointing as it still would of been.

But yeah, I’m with you. I didn’t feel like I do now before December. Completely deflated. I love Wagner and the part he has played in the past two seasons which makes it harder to swallow.