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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 21:16:34 GMT 1
If we can't beat Cardiff then we might as well get the white flag out for the rest of the season. Cardiff have won one or two we have a hell of a task tomorrow but anything can happen
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 11, 2019 22:17:37 GMT 1
Precisely. Those saying they will be disappointed if we play one up front are being silly. Of course we should play one up front. We have to be able to compete and win the midfield battle (like at Wolves where we outnumbered them) in order to win the game. It’s all about the tactics within that system. I have been to every game bar 2 this season. We have played 21 league games and won 2. Playing one up front. Do you want to explain why i am being silly asking for 2 up front? OK. We’ll get overrun in midfield and simply lose more heavily than we have done. We don’t have 2 frontmen who are used to playing together. It would be a formation never played (except appallingly badly when we ate chasing games) under Wagner. You are normally one of the best posters on this forum. I am genuinely surprised at your stance on this.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 11, 2019 22:31:43 GMT 1
I have been to every game bar 2 this season. We have played 21 league games and won 2. Playing one up front. Do you want to explain why i am being silly asking for 2 up front? OK. We’ll get overrun in midfield and simply lose more heavily than we have done. We don’t have 2 frontmen who are used to playing together. It would be a formation never played (except appallingly badly when we ate chasing games) under Wagner. You are normally one of the best posters on this forum. I am genuinely surprised at your stance on this. I’m gonna be honest, I was wrong. But let me tell you why. One of the lads I work with is a Leeds fan, we have been having a bit of a laugh today but then he started pulling out the stats from 2018. Goals scored, games won, games lost. It was depressing. I then had half hour looking at the table, our fixtures, points needed etc and I felt worse. I thought ‘maybe the one up front is killing us, stick 2 up top and just go for it’. Though I stand by my comment of wanting to see an attacking line up, if we play 2 up top we will get soundly beat.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 11, 2019 22:37:25 GMT 1
OK. We’ll get overrun in midfield and simply lose more heavily than we have done. We don’t have 2 frontmen who are used to playing together. It would be a formation never played (except appallingly badly when we ate chasing games) under Wagner. You are normally one of the best posters on this forum. I am genuinely surprised at your stance on this. I’m gonna be honest, I was wrong. But let me tell you why. One of the lads I work with is a Leeds fan, we have been having a bit of a laugh today but then he started pulling out the stats from 2018. Goals scored, games won, games lost. It was depressing. I then had half hour looking at the table, our fixtures, points needed etc and I felt worse. I thought ‘maybe the one up front is killing us, stick 2 up top and just go for it’. Though I stand by my comment of wanting to see an attacking line up, if we play 2 up top we will get soundly beat. we could play 2 up front although its slightly more pointless if we fail to support them quick enough and in enough numbers..we dont have a 'partnership' as such that can cause enough problems on their own so support would be required... the line up means nothing, the intent is all...
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Post by jrm on Jan 11, 2019 22:43:33 GMT 1
I have a spare (Adult) away ticket for this game, as a friend can no longer make it. Private message me if anyone is after one, I'm not looking for any money, and doubting if I can actually give this one away for free at the moment! I'll be in Cardiff City Centre from 1200 onwards.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 11, 2019 22:49:37 GMT 1
Getting it wide and crossing all afternoon looking for Mouniè's head will be food and drink to Morrison and Bamba - we'll be playing right into their hands.
Running at the CB's directly with Pritchard or Mbenza will cause them more problems than 100 high crosses into the box. Pritchard picking out a Mouniè run similar to WBA away last season will be the key to unlocking Cardiff's back line tomorrow.
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Post by willo on Jan 11, 2019 22:55:50 GMT 1
I could sit down & watch tomorrow’s game on hesgoal but will instead listen to Oggy whilst painting my bathroom ceiling saving me another wasted 90 minutes. Pretty much can tell what’s coming already.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 23:08:10 GMT 1
I could sit down & watch tomorrow’s game on hesgoal but will instead listen to Oggy whilst painting my bathroom ceiling saving me another wasted 90 minutes. Pretty much can tell what’s coming already. Hope the ceilings same colour as the bath. Wouldn't want any accidents when we score.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 11, 2019 23:20:16 GMT 1
I could sit down & watch tomorrow’s game on hesgoal but will instead listen to Oggy whilst painting my bathroom ceiling saving me another wasted 90 minutes. Pretty much can tell what’s coming already. Hope the ceilings same colour as the bath. Wouldn't want any accidents when we score. If we do score a couple I expect his keyboard will be the same colour as his ceiling...
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Post by willo on Jan 11, 2019 23:23:38 GMT 1
I could sit down & watch tomorrow’s game on hesgoal but will instead listen to Oggy whilst painting my bathroom ceiling saving me another wasted 90 minutes. Pretty much can tell what’s coming already. Hope the ceilings same colour as the bath. Wouldn't want any accidents when we score. Cod, there’ll be no accidents cos we won’t be scoring ☹️
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 23:27:14 GMT 1
Hope the ceilings same colour as the bath. Wouldn't want any accidents when we score. Cod, there’ll be no accidents cos we won’t be scoring ☹️ OK. If you say so. I'd be very careful all the same, in my experience Town surprise results come out of the blue. EDIT...PS. Without wanting to alarm you and tempt fate, we've scored in three of our last four league games.
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Post by froggyterrier on Jan 11, 2019 23:35:45 GMT 1
Lossl Durm Schindler Kongolo Lowe Bacuna Hogg(c) Billing Pritchard Mounie Mbenza
2 up front. Equal threat from the wings as 5311. A man behind the two forwards to feed them. Maintaining the midfield dominance of a 3 man set up. Sacrificing a third centre half for a second forward is common sense when you need wins.
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Post by H7 on Jan 11, 2019 23:45:00 GMT 1
Lossl Durm Schindler Kongolo Lowe Bacuna Hogg(c) Billing Pritchard Mounie Mbenza 2 up front. Equal threat from the wings as 5311. A man behind the two forwards to feed them. Maintaining the midfield dominance of a 3 man set up. Sacrificing a third centre half for a second forward is common sense when you need wins. Think that’s what it will be except Puncheon for Bacuna. Also agree with Zanka being dropped.
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Post by froggyterrier on Jan 11, 2019 23:47:47 GMT 1
Lossl Durm Schindler Kongolo Lowe Bacuna Hogg(c) Billing Pritchard Mounie Mbenza 2 up front. Equal threat from the wings as 5311. A man behind the two forwards to feed them. Maintaining the midfield dominance of a 3 man set up. Sacrificing a third centre half for a second forward is common sense when you need wins. Think that’s what it will be except Puncheon for Bacuna. Also agree with Zanka being dropped. Forgot Puncheon then when I typed. Good spot. I'd have him in for Pritchard though. I want Juninho's forward drive in the side tomorrow.
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Post by mickydombat on Jan 11, 2019 23:58:27 GMT 1
This is the game we all thought would determine our fate, trust those attending will be biting their nails and bricking it for 94 mins or whatever the ref. adds for Warnock's timewasters.
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Post by willo on Jan 12, 2019 0:15:59 GMT 1
Cod, there’ll be no accidents cos we won’t be scoring ☹️ OK. If you say so. I'd be very careful all the same, in my experience Town surprise results come out of the blue. EDIT...PS. Without wanting to alarm you and tempt fate, we've scored in three of our last four league games. Well let’s see mate. Can just feel any remaining hope & optimism ebbing away tomorrow afternoon. Obviously hope not though.
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Post by wigster on Jan 12, 2019 0:28:45 GMT 1
I have been to every game bar 2 this season. We have played 21 league games and won 2. Playing one up front. Do you want to explain why i am being silly asking for 2 up front? OK. We’ll get overrun in midfield and simply lose more heavily than we have done. We don’t have 2 frontmen who are used to playing together. It would be a formation never played (except appallingly badly when we ate chasing games) under Wagner. You are normally one of the best posters on this forum. I am genuinely surprised at your stance on this. But Hypotenuse we have played one up front for the last 18 months and IT DOESN'T WORK. Months ago we were getting lectured that if we actually had a go and were more positive the opposition would cut us to pieces but I honestly cannot see what can be worse than what we've been doing all this season and the latter half of last. I accept that playing two up front doesn't automatically mean that we're going for it but it's a bloody site better, and more entertaining, than playing the system we do now. When I say play two up front I don't mean the appaling Mounie/DePoitre combination we play for the last 10 minutes of matches. We could,for example, try Mbenza there with Mounie. Burnley play two up front and look what those two did to us the other week. With the system we play we would NEVER score the two bog-standard goals that they did. If Mounie made the run that Chris Wood did (not that he would do) he'd have at least four defenders going with him. I exaggerate obviously but our sole striker is always vastly out-numbered every week. Apart from anything else playing two up front is a different mindset - this flooding midfield - the way we play it - puts next to no pressure on the opposition in their penalty area (or, truth to tell, within 35 yards of their goal). Why don't we give it a try - at best it means we might actually score a goal and at worst it cannot be less successful then the 1 up front we play. I'm not a Dale Tempest fan but in his latest column he says that, apart from set pieces, we don't look remotely like scoring a goal in open play. He's so right.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 12, 2019 0:47:30 GMT 1
OK. We’ll get overrun in midfield and simply lose more heavily than we have done. We don’t have 2 frontmen who are used to playing together. It would be a formation never played (except appallingly badly when we ate chasing games) under Wagner. You are normally one of the best posters on this forum. I am genuinely surprised at your stance on this. But Hypotenuse we have played one up front for the last 18 months and IT DOESN'T WORK. Months ago we were getting lectured that if we actually had a go and were more positive the opposition would cut us to pieces but I honestly cannot see what can be worse than what we've been doing all this season and the latter half of last. I accept that playing two up front doesn't automatically mean that we're going for it but it's a bloody site better, and more entertaining, than playing the system we do now. When I say play two up front I don't mean the appaling Mounie/DePoitre combination we play for the last 10 minutes of matches. We could,for example, try Mbenza there with Mounie. Burnley play two up front and look what those two did to us the other week. With the system we play we would NEVER score the two bog-standard goals that they did. If Mounie made the run that Chris Wood did (not that he would do) he'd have at least four defenders going with him. I exaggerate obviously but our sole striker is always vastly out-numbered every week. Apart from anything else playing two up front is a different mindset - this flooding midfield - the way we play it - puts next to no pressure on the opposition in their penalty area (or, truth to tell, within 35 yards of their goal). Why don't we give it a try - at best it means we might actually score a goal and at worst it cannot be less successful then the 1 up front we play. I'm not a Dale Tempest fan but in his latest column he says that, apart from set pieces, we don't look remotely like scoring a goal in open play. He's so right. We have played one up front since Wagner arrived NOT just YOUR cherry picked last 18 months. Did you think it doesn't work when we were winning 25 games in the Championship promotion season and started the PL with back to back wins to start last season. I think you might need to have a rethink on your overly simplistic evaluation of the one upfront formation.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 12, 2019 1:06:03 GMT 1
Calm down boys and girls, tomorrow is the start of a wonderful thing.
Puncheon will sit in Mooys position and pull the strings.
Mounies goals will be worth savouring as will prichards beautiful effort.
This is it. The turning point.
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Post by wigster on Jan 12, 2019 1:07:05 GMT 1
But Hypotenuse we have played one up front for the last 18 months and IT DOESN'T WORK. Months ago we were getting lectured that if we actually had a go and were more positive the opposition would cut us to pieces but I honestly cannot see what can be worse than what we've been doing all this season and the latter half of last. I accept that playing two up front doesn't automatically mean that we're going for it but it's a bloody site better, and more entertaining, than playing the system we do now. When I say play two up front I don't mean the appaling Mounie/DePoitre combination we play for the last 10 minutes of matches. We could,for example, try Mbenza there with Mounie. Burnley play two up front and look what those two did to us the other week. With the system we play we would NEVER score the two bog-standard goals that they did. If Mounie made the run that Chris Wood did (not that he would do) he'd have at least four defenders going with him. I exaggerate obviously but our sole striker is always vastly out-numbered every week. Apart from anything else playing two up front is a different mindset - this flooding midfield - the way we play it - puts next to no pressure on the opposition in their penalty area (or, truth to tell, within 35 yards of their goal). Why don't we give it a try - at best it means we might actually score a goal and at worst it cannot be less successful then the 1 up front we play. I'm not a Dale Tempest fan but in his latest column he says that, apart from set pieces, we don't look remotely like scoring a goal in open play. He's so right. We have played one up front since Wagner arrived NOT just YOUR cherry picked last 18 months. Did you think it doesn't work when we were winning 25 games in the Championship promotion season and started the PL with back to back wins to start last season. I think you might need to have a rethink on your overly simplistic evaluation of the one upfront formation. My "cherry picked" last 18 months refers to the Premier league, NOT the Championship, which is a perfectly fair reference for me to make. I think the paucity of your argument Doc, is beautifully illustrated by the fact that, with regard to the Premier league, you can only reference the two opening games of last season. A tad unconvincing surely. Hope I'm not being overly simplistic.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jan 12, 2019 10:10:51 GMT 1
For folk who haven't seen it in today's papers, strange, but probably relatively meaningless statistic:
Cardiff are out of the bottom 3 despite having led in games for a total of only 93 minutes in all games so far. Bit weird, but would indicate, that - when they do win - they can score late on after "holding out".
By contrast, we have led for a total of 284 minutes (not including time added on after 90 minutes) this season (approx. 3x as much as Cardiff), and yet are sitting (not so) comfortably at the bottom of the league! Not sure what this means definitively, but I would say that we are generally more capable of taking the initiative in games, but, unfortunately, allow teams to come back at us.
With this in mind, I would let Cardiff come at us for the first 30 minutes or so, frustrate them to the point of exhaustion - whilst keeping cool in the face of their inevitable provocations (bringing with it a couple of sending offs) - and then, maybe early-on-ish in the second half completely stun them with two quick-fire goals. Warnock teams never give up, and generally score late on, so they can have their consolation in injury time.
I'll get me coit.
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Post by froggyterrier on Jan 12, 2019 10:25:16 GMT 1
For folk who haven't seen it in today's papers, strange, but probably relatively meaningless statistic: Cardiff are out of the bottom 3 despite having led in games for a total of only 93 minutes in all games so far. Bit weird, but would indicate, that - when they do win - they can score late on after "holding out". By contrast, we have led for a total of 284 minutes (not including time added on after 90 minutes) this season (approx. 3x as much as Cardiff), and yet are sitting (not so) comfortably at the bottom of the league! Not sure what this means definitively, but I would say that we are generally more capable of taking the initiative in games, but, unfortunately, allow teams to come back at us. With this in mind, I would let Cardiff come at us for the first 30 minutes or so, frustrate them to the point of exhaustion - whilst keeping cool in the face of their inevitable provocations (bringing with it a couple of sending offs) - and then, maybe early-on-ish in the second half completely stun them with two quick-fire goals. Warnock teams never give up, and generally score late on, so they can have their consolation in injury time. I'll get me coit. It means Wagner's defensive, possession football approach is less defensively effective than Cardiff's defend, hold out and counter tactics and that counter attacking works better late on when teams push harder to get a winning goal.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jan 12, 2019 10:40:57 GMT 1
I could sit down & watch tomorrow’s game on hesgoal but will instead listen to Oggy whilst painting my bathroom ceiling saving me another wasted 90 minutes. Pretty much can tell what’s coming already. Formations, team selection, pah! We need to get this thread back on track. So what colour's your bathroom going to be Willo? And is it matt or silk?
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jan 12, 2019 10:41:47 GMT 1
For folk who haven't seen it in today's papers, strange, but probably relatively meaningless statistic: Cardiff are out of the bottom 3 despite having led in games for a total of only 93 minutes in all games so far. Bit weird, but would indicate, that - when they do win - they can score late on after "holding out". By contrast, we have led for a total of 284 minutes (not including time added on after 90 minutes) this season (approx. 3x as much as Cardiff), and yet are sitting (not so) comfortably at the bottom of the league! Not sure what this means definitively, but I would say that we are generally more capable of taking the initiative in games, but, unfortunately, allow teams to come back at us. With this in mind, I would let Cardiff come at us for the first 30 minutes or so, frustrate them to the point of exhaustion - whilst keeping cool in the face of their inevitable provocations (bringing with it a couple of sending offs) - and then, maybe early-on-ish in the second half completely stun them with two quick-fire goals. Warnock teams never give up, and generally score late on, so they can have their consolation in injury time. I'll get me coit. It means Wagner's defensive, possession football approach is less defensively effective than Cardiff's defend, hold out and counter tactics and that counter attacking works better late on when teams push harder to get a winning goal. Exactly - this underlines why it's so very, very important that we - one way or the other - go into the lead. I think we will be able to keep it if that really is the case. Worryingly, Cardiff do show a bit of attacking initiative from time to time. So it's by no means certain, and we may be hanging on. Hope not, though. A glorious victory by 2 or 3 goals would be much more preferable :-)
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Post by ben1987 on Jan 12, 2019 10:42:49 GMT 1
Season starts against Cardiff. Sound familiar? That statement set the tone for the season. Big mistake It’s not often, but I agree with you. There’s no way he’d of said that last season after two games, in fact, there’s no way he would of said it at all.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 12, 2019 10:42:53 GMT 1
I could sit down & watch tomorrow’s game on hesgoal but will instead listen to Oggy whilst painting my bathroom ceiling saving me another wasted 90 minutes. Pretty much can tell what’s coming already. Formations, team selection, pah! We need to get this thread back on track. So what colour's your bathroom going to be Willo? And is it matt or silk? Surely you wouldn't want matt on a bathroom ceiling?
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Post by willo on Jan 12, 2019 11:24:07 GMT 1
Formations, team selection, pah! We need to get this thread back on track. So what colour's your bathroom going to be Willo? And is it matt or silk? Surely you wouldn't want matt on a bathroom ceiling? I’ll be having a squirrel round in the garage to see what’s leftover from 5 years ago when it was last done but it’ll be that special bathroom paint, probably bought from Homebase. Er indoors has just reminded me the ceiling will want sanding down first 😩. Can’t believe I’m waffling on bout painting my bathroom ceiling on here. Let’s hope for those going to Cardiff the game won’t be like watching paint dry.
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Post by Metch on Jan 12, 2019 11:32:37 GMT 1
I would still make an effort to get it painted by 3pm, i feel a repeat of Watford away Dec 17 coming on.
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Post by runner76 on Jan 12, 2019 11:37:14 GMT 1
I have a spare (Adult) away ticket for this game, as a friend can no longer make it. Private message me if anyone is after one, I'm not looking for any money, and doubting if I can actually give this one away for free at the moment! I'll be in Cardiff City Centre from 1200 onwards. I’ve seen Luther so will give it a miss....
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 12, 2019 11:59:00 GMT 1
Come on today lads. Give us a glimmer of hope of survival with a win please. I actually think we are going to nick it today but I think it’s heart over my head in all honesty 1-0 Pritchard Warnock sent to the stands #UTT
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