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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 12:42:35 GMT 1
More emphasis on getting forward, more bodies in the box etc. You were there weren't you? I was, and I saw very little difference. We had 2 shots on target all game, one via a free-kick, despite Everton being poor and down to 10 men for half an hour. We were just as slow, sloppy with the ball and we had 3 centre halves marking no one with 10 to go. We had no movement ahead of the ball all game. I really didn't see much of a difference, if any. I didn't say a big improvement but I saw signs after one week under the new gaffer. Let's see what the next month brings and review.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 12:55:51 GMT 1
Maybe what he meant by not sleepwalking into relegation was that we’re fully awake and actively walking, if not sprinting towards it. I think most would be ok with it if we went down fighting but fucking hell we can’t even score. Everything about the season has been a shambles and outright tinpot which most annoying of all just proves the point for all other clubs, media and neutrals looking on. We’re a shit northern cheap club and properly acting like one. I had accepted relegation because I thought at least we could be competitive and be one of the favourites to get straight back up, but with this team performing as they are we’d be lucky to get mid table. It’s been a mess this season from the top all the way down. Deans been ill admittedly but he or one of his delegates needs to get shit sorted out promptly or risk pissing the parachute payments up the wall just like many clubs before us. There have been some really good posts on this thread these last few hours & the above one absolutely sums up how I feel, couldn’t have put it better myself. What I would like to know is why there has been nothing coming out of the club during this dismal run with the exception of the “not sleepwalking into relegation” stuff. I appreciate Dean has been seriously ill but what about Julian Winter coming out with a statement? And what about Sean Jarvis who has seemingly disappeared. He always had something to say when things were going great. The silence is deafening. The fans are rightly royally pissed off and/or apathetic and a statement from the club would at least calm things down a little and appease some. What kind of statement are you expecting / wanting? We’ve employed a new manager...we can’t have unskilled boardroom folk interfering, he has to be given a chance to learn how the club works so he’s ready to get going full steam from June. What are they going to say...”well like we’ve said many times before, if we’re in a position in a January when we look like we’re going to be in a relegation, we WONT try and buy our way out of trouble”....would send things into a spin. Any positive message is therefore going to be a bullshit one, so better to just get on with running a football club and preparing for next season, I should imagine there’s a hell of a lot of work to do, moreso than if we managed to stay up.
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Post by mallyb on Jan 31, 2019 13:58:27 GMT 1
Yes I'm totally miffed too with the lack of anything from the owner/club since the sleepwalking message other than asking us for cash for season card renewal. I communicate regularly with lots of fans of other clubs through friends, family & colleagues up & down the country. Interestingly many feel that we always come across like we're this poor little club with no money to spend & like we're just happy to be here surviving and will never be in a position to compete with anyone. People have pointed out though that our owner is far from being poor and is in the top 200 rich list has been for years. Also that yes there are some dodgy owners and some very rich owners, however there are far more good genuine owners who are not as rich as ours who don't have to be lifelong fans either to be decent and want the best for their clubs and infact do also invest in their clubs to help them compete as it helps bring success for all. Just because our owner Is a fan and wealthy businessmen, It does not mean he cannot be criticised ever. Name these owners that are not as rich as ours and had the same club status. Here you go link
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 14:16:46 GMT 1
Name these owners that are not as rich as ours and had the same club status. Here you go linkLink failed.
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Post by impact on Jan 31, 2019 14:40:35 GMT 1
That would be sunny Bournemouth with a BILLIONAIRE bankrolling them. Know any BILLIONAIRE'S who would do the same here? The billionaire owns 25%. What about the other 2. We were supposed to be following Burnleys model. They keep signing young talented players and bringing them though so when they sell rodriqez, or gray or ings or Keane or their England keeper gets injured they have another one coming through. We talk about being humble yet Dyche or Allerdyce style of football to stay up isn’t good enough for us. Bad club management will cost us our place in the premier league but the biggest casualty is the unity the fans had. Educate yourself rather than spouting bollocks. He has always owned at least 50% since he became involved, which went to 100% then back to 75%, and now owns 100%. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/47034322
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Post by mallyb on Jan 31, 2019 15:00:14 GMT 1
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 31, 2019 15:01:46 GMT 1
I just thought he was linking himself back to our posts, he might actually read them this time
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jan 31, 2019 16:30:30 GMT 1
I was, and I saw very little difference. We had 2 shots on target all game, one via a free-kick, despite Everton being poor and down to 10 men for half an hour. We were just as slow, sloppy with the ball and we had 3 centre halves marking no one with 10 to go. We had no movement ahead of the ball all game. I really didn't see much of a difference, if any. I didn't say a big improvement but I saw signs after one week under the new gaffer. Let's see what the next month brings and review. If I was a betting man I'd hazard a guess that the next month will bring more defeats and next to no goals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 16:35:14 GMT 1
I didn't say a big improvement but I saw signs after one week under the new gaffer. Let's see what the next month brings and review. If I was a betting man I'd hazard a guess that the next month will bring more defeats and next to no goals. Thankfully i'm not a betting man so I can't lose.
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Post by mallyb on Jan 31, 2019 16:45:52 GMT 1
I was, and I saw very little difference. We had 2 shots on target all game, one via a free-kick, despite Everton being poor and down to 10 men for half an hour. We were just as slow, sloppy with the ball and we had 3 centre halves marking no one with 10 to go. We had no movement ahead of the ball all game. I really didn't see much of a difference, if any. I didn't say a big improvement but I saw signs after one week under the new gaffer. Let's see what the next month brings and review. And when you are shown to be wrong, then what? Sign somebody? Change the manager? Tell the club they are doing a great job still? Keep calm and carry on? Accept our place in the world? If only the club were taking that approach we would have signed somebody. The review of August, September, October, December and January would show what was needed. Looks like Dean wanted his money back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 16:53:21 GMT 1
I didn't say a big improvement but I saw signs after one week under the new gaffer. Let's see what the next month brings and review. And when you are shown to be wrong, then what? Sign somebody? Change the manager? Tell the club they are doing a great job still? Keep calm and carry on? Accept our place in the world? If only the club were taking that approach we would have signed somebody. The review of August, September, October, December and January would show what was needed. Looks like Dean wanted his money back.And that is a disgraceful comment!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 31, 2019 17:23:55 GMT 1
There is a lot of apologists for the club spouting crap on here making excuses. The jury is out in the manager and we did look a little more attacking on Tuesday but still no goal action but overall it was grim viewing however folk want to dress it up.
I have to agree with the person up thread that said this season has been a bit annoying, it has, very annoying but in all honesty we sleepwalked in to this way back in the summer, the sleep walking was done back then on those balmy summer nights. It all smacks of typical Town trying to do it on the cheap and if there is way to miraculously cock it up, Town find it.
I'll be glad when this season is over, I can't see it getting better, unless Grant turns in some revalationary performances scoring a hat full of goals. I can't see us winning another game, I hope I'm wrong mind. The month of February will not bring much relief or cheer either given our opponents. Basically we're dog shit from top to bottom, no one will miss us once we're gone.
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Post by El Mel on Jan 31, 2019 23:39:12 GMT 1
And when you are shown to be wrong, then what? Sign somebody? Change the manager? Tell the club they are doing a great job still? Keep calm and carry on? Accept our place in the world? If only the club were taking that approach we would have signed somebody. The review of August, September, October, December and January would show what was needed. Looks like Dean wanted his money back.And that is a disgraceful comment! As far as I'm concerned, Dean is entitled to his money back. Even if he takes back what he's put in we're million and millions and millions of pounds better off. If Schindler had missed that pen, then he'd still be a creditor on the accounts to the tune of tens of millions. Folk seem to be completely unaware of this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 0:11:28 GMT 1
And that is a disgraceful comment! As far as I'm concerned, Dean is entitled to his money back. Even if he takes back what he's put in we're million and millions and millions of pounds better off. If Schindler had missed that pen, then he'd still be a creditor on the accounts to the tune of tens of millions. Folk seem to be completely unaware of this. Agree of course. But to suggest we're in this position because Dean wants his money back, is nevertheless a disgraceful comment imo.
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Post by willo on Feb 1, 2019 1:38:47 GMT 1
And when you are shown to be wrong, then what? Sign somebody? Change the manager? Tell the club they are doing a great job still? Keep calm and carry on? Accept our place in the world? If only the club were taking that approach we would have signed somebody. The review of August, September, October, December and January would show what was needed. Looks like Dean wanted his money back.And that is a disgraceful comment! Agreed. Believe me, I’m far from happy presently but that comment is bang out of order.
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Post by willo on Feb 1, 2019 1:41:06 GMT 1
I thought when this comment was made, it might come back to bite us on our arse. Lo and behold.
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Post by mrg on Feb 1, 2019 1:52:43 GMT 1
There is a lot of apologists for the club spouting crap on here making excuses. The jury is out in the manager and we did look a little more attacking on Tuesday but still no goal action but overall it was grim viewing however folk want to dress it up. I have to agree with the person up thread that said this season has been a bit annoying, it has, very annoying but in all honesty we sleepwalked in to this way back in the summer, the sleep walking was done back then on those balmy summer nights. It all smacks of typical Town trying to do it on the cheap and if there is way to miraculously cock it up, Town find it. I'll be glad when this season is over, I can't see it getting better, unless Grant turns in some revalationary performances scoring a hat full of goals. I can't see us winning another game, I hope I'm wrong mind. The month of February will not bring much relief or cheer either given our opponents. Basically we're dog shit from top to bottom, no one will miss us once we're gone. The frustrating thing is we KEEP PLAYING 5 AT THE BACK. Is there anyone who can get a message to anyone who will listen (Jan) that these guys stayed in the PL last year and playing to their strengths might be worth looking at instead of losing another 9 games by the odd goal. The problem is now confidence of course but the reality is we are losing goals on the break or from set pieces. It's sickening how simple a fix it seems looking from the sides. Jesus really is weeping and so am I.
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Post by irverino on Feb 1, 2019 2:24:35 GMT 1
The message that Dean gave on New Years eve was for 'EVERYONE' connected to our club, fans, players & staff, the guy is committed to Huddersfield Town 100% even when he is suffering personally, don't you think he is hurting just like the rest of us? Every Town fan should support our chairman & please don't forget, he delivered the impossible dream on May 29th 2017, Thanks Dean & get well soon... UTT.
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Post by hkterrier on Feb 1, 2019 3:47:40 GMT 1
And that is a disgraceful comment! Agreed. Believe me, I’m far from happy presently but that comment is bang out of order. I disagree. Deans more than entitled to take his money back - with interest if he wanted. I don’t believe he has or is doing that. However it’s clear the fan base is now fragmented and that is due purely down to the lack of a distinct and clear strategy explained for the fans to unify behind. It’s not what was promised or what will make us successful again and that is what’s concerning.
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Post by Yorkie on Feb 1, 2019 5:09:00 GMT 1
There is a lot of apologists for the club spouting crap on here making excuses. The jury is out in the manager and we did look a little more attacking on Tuesday but still no goal action but overall it was grim viewing however folk want to dress it up. I have to agree with the person up thread that said this season has been a bit annoying, it has, very annoying but in all honesty we sleepwalked in to this way back in the summer, the sleep walking was done back then on those balmy summer nights. It all smacks of typical Town trying to do it on the cheap and if there is way to miraculously cock it up, Town find it. I'll be glad when this season is over, I can't see it getting better, unless Grant turns in some revalationary performances scoring a hat full of goals. I can't see us winning another game, I hope I'm wrong mind. The month of February will not bring much relief or cheer either given our opponents. Basically we're dog shit from top to bottom, no one will miss us once we're gone. The frustrating thing is we KEEP PLAYING 5 AT THE BACK. Is there anyone who can get a message to anyone who will listen (Jan) that these guys stayed in the PL last year and playing to their strengths might be worth looking at instead of losing another 9 games by the odd goal. The problem is now confidence of course but the reality is we are losing goals on the break or from set pieces. It's sickening how simple a fix it seems looking from the sides. Jesus really is weeping and so am I. Who out of Hogg Bacuna Puncheon Diakhaby Kachunga Mounie was playing in a 5 at the back on Tuesday?
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Post by terrier2019 on Feb 1, 2019 6:54:30 GMT 1
As far as I'm concerned, Dean is entitled to his money back. Even if he takes back what he's put in we're million and millions and millions of pounds better off. If Schindler had missed that pen, then he'd still be a creditor on the accounts to the tune of tens of millions. Folk seem to be completely unaware of this. Agree of course. But to suggest we're in this position because Dean wants his money back, is nevertheless a disgraceful comment imo. i think hes it nail on head about money.lets have a look sccounts the we can make our own mind up
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 6:56:59 GMT 1
We’ve been an absolute clown show on and off the pitch all year. We threw a ludicrous amount of wages at a manager whose heart had already decided it was time to leave to keep him at the club. We appointed Rebbe, an abject failure at his former club. We signed a raft of unproven 20-22 year olds to try solve our huge deficiencies. We spent half our budget on a CB despite needing quality in attack. We let committed players go to offset the cost of the gambles we were taking on youngsters. We sold our heritage down the river to wear a new badge aimed at appealing to Chinese investors. Despite securing a year of the highest TV income in the history of British football we tried to do it on the cheap, buying alleged potential over proven quality/experience and resulting in a threadbare squad which will be remembered as the dullest, most impotent in PL history, probably achieving the second lowest points total in its 27 years.
I appreciate DH has been horrifically ill but we’re a global brand. A multi million pound company in the richest league in the world. Who runs things day to day? Winter, an ex-player? It’s an absolute shambles.
To think we came up with Newcastle and Brighton - both of whom have kicked on and look like establishing themselves in the top flight whilst we look like a car crash is so disappointing.
I hope the lessons learned result in a dependable board being put in place so we aren’t reliant on one man at the top.
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Post by gymroidspump on Feb 1, 2019 7:06:03 GMT 1
There is a lot of apologists for the club spouting crap on here making excuses. The jury is out in the manager and we did look a little more attacking on Tuesday but still no goal action but overall it was grim viewing however folk want to dress it up. I have to agree with the person up thread that said this season has been a bit annoying, it has, very annoying but in all honesty we sleepwalked in to this way back in the summer, the sleep walking was done back then on those balmy summer nights. It all smacks of typical Town trying to do it on the cheap and if there is way to miraculously cock it up, Town find it. I'll be glad when this season is over, I can't see it getting better, unless Grant turns in some revalationary performances scoring a hat full of goals. I can't see us winning another game, I hope I'm wrong mind. The month of February will not bring much relief or cheer either given our opponents. Basically we're dog shit from top to bottom, no one will miss us once we're gone. There are a lot of apologists, too much of the remember-where-we-were 10 years ago crap from the white flag brigade, as if that excuses the dross on show. I wonder if Jeff Bezos was saying that when he scaled up from his garage to small office? Or whether he wanted to keep pushing and keep developing and keep growing. One thing you don't do in business is tighten the purse strings when recruiting staff who can improve what you do. That is exactly what we have done. Everybody wants to control costs, everybody has to work to a budget, but what we have done is effectively bankroll other clubs survival, by not bankrolling our own. The same people who will say £40m players don't guarantee anything are the same ones saying well what can we expect against Everton who have £40m forwards.
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Post by Amigo on Feb 1, 2019 7:49:30 GMT 1
How I can remember before we went up (and half the folk commenting on this hadn't heard of DATM) fans saying they'd be happy for us to go up and down for a few years whilst we established ourselves like many other teams have done. How we'd be happy with just a season up in the Premier League. Yes this season has been shit but is the Premier League really all that anyway? Are you really going to miss it? The same teams at the top, in the middle and at the bottom every single year bar the odd freak season. We can't go much further. A top 10 finish would be a Champions League win for us the absolute peak of where we could be (don't bring Leicester up that was a complete freak, not just their form but every other big side being pretty average for an entire season as well). But what's a top 10 finish? There's no trophy for that, no massive celebrations. To have a big celebration again and win a trophy we have to go backwards.
As for the criticism of Hoyle and how he should spend his money fuck me. What that man has done for this club is unbelievable. When he decided he had to do something we had the likes of Glennon, Brandon, Kamara and Williams playing regularly. That was only just over 10 years ago. How far we've come in that time we'd never have believed, not just on the field but off it as well. Does that mean he's immune from criticism? No, but it gives him a lot of slack in a season when he's had personal problems which he himself has not mentioned. People that go on about the money we've spent seem to completely forget about the fact that players, managers, staff all need paying regularly as well. It's not just a transfer fee there's agent fees, signing on fees, bonuses etc. Would everyone rather we'd spent £50m on a lost cause in this window regardless of how that leaves us in the future? Pretty sure we've tried similar before and look how that worked out.
This board is getting awful to read. I know there's a lot of newcomers but if you aren't interested in watching Championship football then step away now and find yourself another club again because this one isn't for you. We've pretty much peaked, not quite but there's not much further we can go apart from securing survival in the premier league year after year and let's be honest it's not going to take long for that to get boring. Let's try and enjoy the last few months and back the new manager and striker to have a few decent games before we drop back in to a far more interesting and unpredictable league. It's not the end of the world.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 1, 2019 7:50:28 GMT 1
The message that Dean gave on New Years eve was for 'EVERYONE' connected to our club, fans, players & staff, the guy is committed to Huddersfield Town 100% even when he is suffering personally, don't you think he is hurting just like the rest of us? Every Town fan should support our chairman & please don't forget, he delivered the impossible dream on May 29th 2017, Thanks Dean & get well soon... UTT. The 'impossible dream's is in the past now, you always need to keep moving forward, we haven't.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 1, 2019 7:53:58 GMT 1
How I can remember before we went up (and half the folk commenting on this hadn't heard of DATM) fans saying they'd be happy for us to go up and down for a few years whilst we established ourselves like many other teams have done. How we'd be happy with just a season up in the Premier League. Yes this season has been shit but is the Premier League really all that anyway? Are you really going to miss it? The same teams at the top, in the middle and at the bottom every single year bar the odd freak season. We can't go much further. A top 10 finish would be a Champions League win for us the absolute peak of where we could be (don't bring Leicester up that was a complete freak, not just their form but every other big side being pretty average for an entire season as well). But what's a top 10 finish? There's no trophy for that, no massive celebrations. To have a big celebration again and win a trophy we have to go backwards. As for the criticism of Hoyle and how he should spend his money fuck me. What that man has done for this club is unbelievable. When he decided he had to do something we had the likes of Glennon, Brandon, Kamara and Williams playing regularly. That was only just over 10 years ago. How far we've come in that time we'd never have believed, not just on the field but off it as well. Does that mean he's immune from criticism? No, but it gives him a lot of slack in a season when he's had personal problems which he himself has not mentioned. People that go on about the money we've spent seem to completely forget about the fact that players, managers, staff all need paying regularly as well. It's not just a transfer fee there's agent fees, signing on fees, bonuses etc. Would everyone rather we'd spent £50m on a lost cause in this window regardless of how that leaves us in the future? Pretty sure we've tried similar before and look how that worked out. This board is getting awful to read. I know there's a lot of newcomers but if you aren't interested in watching Championship football then step away now and find yourself another club again because this one isn't for you. We've pretty much peaked, not quite but there's not much further we can go apart from securing survival in the premier league year after year and let's be honest it's not going to take long for that to get boring. Let's try and enjoy the last few months and back the new manager and striker to have a few decent games before we drop back in to a far more interesting and unpredictable league. It's not the end of the world. It's not the fact that we're going to miss the Premier League it's the fact we keep losing every week, we don't score, we make/made awful signings, the club seem to be doing it on the cheap. If we're going to be here we might has we'll have made a decent fist of it.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 1, 2019 8:42:51 GMT 1
I'm perfectly fine with being relegated. But it feels like we have just capitulated, I'm not even bothered about the results on the pitch, until Mooys injury there was some really good stuff.
But it feels like we are returning without being in a stronger, better position and without having improved the club overall.
yes I know about the training facilities but it's bricks and mortar, the rest of the structure, staff etc is weaker than when we were in the championship imo.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 1, 2019 8:55:56 GMT 1
I'm perfectly fine with being relegated. But it feels like we have just capitulated, I'm not even bothered about the results on the pitch, until Mooys injury there was some really good stuff. But it feels like we are returning without being in a stronger, better position and without having improved the club overall. yes I know about the training facilities but it's bricks and mortar, the rest of the structure, staff etc is weaker than when we were in the championship imo. The structure is weaker. Really. So when we were in the Championship and the owner was putting in £3 to £5 million a year to keep us going, you see that as a strong structure? As opposed to us now having a really good financial footing to see us going for a good few years. Ok.
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2019 9:04:03 GMT 1
We’ve been an absolute clown show on and off the pitch all year. We threw a ludicrous amount of wages at a manager whose heart had already decided it was time to leave to keep him at the club. We appointed Rebbe, an abject failure at his former club. We signed a raft of unproven 20-22 year olds to try solve our huge deficiencies. We spent half our budget on a CB despite needing quality in attack. We let committed players go to offset the cost of the gambles we were taking on youngsters. We sold our heritage down the river to wear a new badge aimed at appealing to Chinese investors. Despite securing a year of the highest TV income in the history of British football we tried to do it on the cheap, buying alleged potential over proven quality/experience and resulting in a threadbare squad which will be remembered as the dullest, most impotent in PL history, probably achieving the second lowest points total in its 27 years. I appreciate DH has been horrifically ill but we’re a global brand. A multi million pound company in the richest league in the world. Who runs things day to day? Winter, an ex-player? It’s an absolute shambles. To think we came up with Newcastle and Brighton - both of whom have kicked on and look like establishing themselves in the top flight whilst we look like a car crash is so disappointing. I hope the lessons learned result in a dependable board being put in place so we aren’t reliant on one man at the top. UTT Harsh but fair, thems the facts right there. Clown show pretty much sums it up. Interesting point on the manager too, much as I love him, when you boil it down, he's taken the cash then fucked off and left us in the shit. Lack of loyalty or knew the strategy was flawed? It didn't sound to me at the end of last season that he needed a rest. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2019 9:08:11 GMT 1
I'm perfectly fine with being relegated. But it feels like we have just capitulated, I'm not even bothered about the results on the pitch, until Mooys injury there was some really good stuff. But it feels like we are returning without being in a stronger, better position and without having improved the club overall. yes I know about the training facilities but it's bricks and mortar, the rest of the structure, staff etc is weaker than when we were in the championship imo. The structure is weaker. Really. So when we were in the Championship and the owner was putting in £3 to £5 million a year to keep us going, you see that as a strong structure? As opposed to us now having a really good financial footing to see us going for a good few years. Ok. I think maybe he's talking about the dof, manager, balance of squad. We risk returning to the Championship in a bad state. It's been a monumental fuck up on many different levels, no point hiding from it, learn from it. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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