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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 1, 2019 9:14:05 GMT 1
The structure is weaker. Really. So when we were in the Championship and the owner was putting in £3 to £5 million a year to keep us going, you see that as a strong structure? As opposed to us now having a really good financial footing to see us going for a good few years. Ok. I think maybe he's talking about the dof, manager, balance of squad. We risk returning to the Championship in a bad state. It's been a monumental fuck up on many different levels, no point hiding from it, learn from it. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Maybe so but in that case how can anyone comment on the standard of manager? Who honestly has the knowledge to comment how he will do? We all know about the dof but other than that i am struggling to see how we are worse off. As for balance of squad, Wagner's first game we had Steer, Huws, Scannell, Bojaj, Davidson etc but people think we are worse off now heading back to Championship. It's just rubbish.
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2019 9:28:37 GMT 1
I think maybe he's talking about the dof, manager, balance of squad. We risk returning to the Championship in a bad state. It's been a monumental fuck up on many different levels, no point hiding from it, learn from it. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Maybe so but in that case how can anyone comment on the standard of manager? Who honestly has the knowledge to comment how he will do? We all know about the dof but other than that i am struggling to see how we are worse off. As for balance of squad, Wagner's first game we had Steer, Huws, Scannell, Bojaj, Davidson etc but people think we are worse off now heading back to Championship. It's just rubbish. I think the general point is we kind of hoped that if we did go back down we might be able to 'do a Burnley', from what we can see in all areas that is looking pretty unlikely. I know its very early, nobody can judge the manager, all we have is a hunch really but I think its fair to say the squad isn't anywhere near as good as it should be when you consider the money we've spent. We've also acquired a lot of players, who as far as I can tell, wont be suited to championship football whilst letting ones that would be and would have contributed this season, leave. We don't have a DoF and completely ballsed up the last appointment along with all the playing staff decisions which makes you wonder who's running the show and why are they doing such a shit job. Basically a year of abject failure in every single department isn't filling me with confidence we'll return to the championship in a good state.
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Post by impact on Feb 1, 2019 9:47:59 GMT 1
Maybe so but in that case how can anyone comment on the standard of manager? Who honestly has the knowledge to comment how he will do? We all know about the dof but other than that i am struggling to see how we are worse off. As for balance of squad, Wagner's first game we had Steer, Huws, Scannell, Bojaj, Davidson etc but people think we are worse off now heading back to Championship. It's just rubbish. I think the general point is we kind of hoped that if we did go back down we might be able to 'do a Burnley', from what we can see in all areas that is looking pretty unlikely. I know its very early, nobody can judge the manager, all we have is a hunch really but I think its fair to say the squad isn't anywhere near as good as it should be when you consider the money we've spent. We've also acquired a lot of players, who as far as I can tell, wont be suited to championship football whilst letting ones that would be and would have contributed this season, leave. We don't have a DoF and completely ballsed up the last appointment along with all the playing staff decisions which makes you wonder who's running the show and why are they doing such a shit job. Basically a year of abject failure in every single department isn't filling me with confidence we'll return to the championship in a good state. If you look at the positives, imagine what would have happened in the summer if we were relegated last year and had no DoF. It would have been chaos.
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Post by space hardware on Feb 1, 2019 9:49:03 GMT 1
Maybe so but in that case how can anyone comment on the standard of manager? Who honestly has the knowledge to comment how he will do? We all know about the dof but other than that i am struggling to see how we are worse off. As for balance of squad, Wagner's first game we had Steer, Huws, Scannell, Bojaj, Davidson etc but people think we are worse off now heading back to Championship. It's just rubbish. I think the general point is we kind of hoped that if we did go back down we might be able to 'do a Burnley', from what we can see in all areas that is looking pretty unlikely. I know its very early, nobody can judge the manager, all we have is a hunch really but I think its fair to say the squad isn't anywhere near as good as it should be when you consider the money we've spent. We've also acquired a lot of players, who as far as I can tell, wont be suited to championship football whilst letting ones that would be and would have contributed this season, leave. We don't have a DoF and completely ballsed up the last appointment along with all the playing staff decisions which makes you wonder who's running the show and why are they doing such a shit job. Basically a year of abject failure in every single department isn't filling me with confidence we'll return to the championship in a good state. I think most people would feel more confident heading into a season in the Championship with Ince, Hefele, Lolley and VLP in the squad rather than the players brought in to replace them. I'm not 100% sure but I think Burnley, the club who are held up as the benchmark for how to get into the PL and stay there longer term, kept the vast majority of the squad that got them promoted when they dropped back down. We haven't done that.
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2019 10:24:08 GMT 1
I think the general point is we kind of hoped that if we did go back down we might be able to 'do a Burnley', from what we can see in all areas that is looking pretty unlikely. I know its very early, nobody can judge the manager, all we have is a hunch really but I think its fair to say the squad isn't anywhere near as good as it should be when you consider the money we've spent. We've also acquired a lot of players, who as far as I can tell, wont be suited to championship football whilst letting ones that would be and would have contributed this season, leave. We don't have a DoF and completely ballsed up the last appointment along with all the playing staff decisions which makes you wonder who's running the show and why are they doing such a shit job. Basically a year of abject failure in every single department isn't filling me with confidence we'll return to the championship in a good state. If you look at the positives, imagine what would have happened in the summer if we were relegated last year and had no DoF. It would have been chaos. This was the year we would strengthen the squad adding quality and depth and lay the foundations for a sustained period in the premier league. Problem is we've pissed all the extra money up a wall so I'm not even sure the extra year has been beneficial; perhaps the opposite. In hindsight we'd maybe have been better going down last season by a whisker rather than suffering the humiliation of being one of the (may soon be THE) worst teams in the premier leagues history. The clubs reputation is being seriously damaged at the moment, we're a laughing stock basically and its no wonder we didn't manage to sign anyone except a L1 youngster, who on earth would want to join us in the state we're in.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 1, 2019 11:20:27 GMT 1
I'm perfectly fine with being relegated. But it feels like we have just capitulated, I'm not even bothered about the results on the pitch, until Mooys injury there was some really good stuff. But it feels like we are returning without being in a stronger, better position and without having improved the club overall. yes I know about the training facilities but it's bricks and mortar, the rest of the structure, staff etc is weaker than when we were in the championship imo. The structure is weaker. Really. So when we were in the Championship and the owner was putting in £3 to £5 million a year to keep us going, you see that as a strong structure? As opposed to us now having a really good financial footing to see us going for a good few years. Ok. What's finance got to do with my point? There's plenty of rich clubs struggled over the years. Yes the money helps but only if it's used wisely. In the championship we had a strong structure with Dean at the head, strong good DOFs like Webber and Wilson. The management and football staff were obviously strong. Now we have struggled with recruitment, we don't have a DOF etc... Do you think that the structure has been improved? Or even remained stable? And that's before I talk about the team and it being balanced or improved upon. I'm not even sure that our identity even remains on the pitch. Certainly not the gegenpressing one we were promoted with.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 1, 2019 11:31:42 GMT 1
What's finance got to do with my point? There's plenty of rich clubs struggled over the years. Yes the money helps but only if it's used wisely. In the championship we had a strong structure with Dean at the head, strong good DOFs like Webber and Wilson. The management and football staff were obviously strong. Now we have struggled with recruitment, we don't have a DOF etc... Do you think that the structure has been improved? Or even remained stable? And that's before I talk about the team and it being balanced or improved upon. I'm not even sure that our identity even remains on the pitch. Certainly not the gegenpressing one we were promoted with. Without finance there is no structure. You say ‘in Championship we had strong structure with Dean at the head’, how many more years do you think he could have funded millions every year to keep us going? Finance is the most important part of structure.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 1, 2019 11:41:27 GMT 1
What's finance got to do with my point? There's plenty of rich clubs struggled over the years. Yes the money helps but only if it's used wisely. In the championship we had a strong structure with Dean at the head, strong good DOFs like Webber and Wilson. The management and football staff were obviously strong. Now we have struggled with recruitment, we don't have a DOF etc... Do you think that the structure has been improved? Or even remained stable? And that's before I talk about the team and it being balanced or improved upon. I'm not even sure that our identity even remains on the pitch. Certainly not the gegenpressing one we were promoted with. Without finance there is no structure. You say ‘in Championship we had strong structure with Dean at the head’, how many more years do you think he could have funded millions every year to keep us going? Finance is the most important part of structure. Finance is not structure. Finance is beneficial to everything but it is not structure. A well oiled machine will work great, a crap one won't. Finance will help keep it well oiled but if it's not built right anyway it doesn't matter how much you throw at it, it will still breakdown or not do the job you want it to best.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 1, 2019 11:55:24 GMT 1
Without finance there is no structure. You say ‘in Championship we had strong structure with Dean at the head’, how many more years do you think he could have funded millions every year to keep us going? Finance is the most important part of structure. Finance is not structure. Finance is beneficial to everything but it is not structure. A well oiled machine will work great, a crap one won't. Finance will help keep it well oiled but if it's not built right anyway it doesn't matter how much you throw at it, it will still breakdown or not do the job you want it to best. Ok, no problem. In my opinion and from experience financial structure directly affects the risk and value of any business, so for me finance is directly associated with structure. Maybe i misunderstood your post, in which case i apologise.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 1, 2019 12:00:43 GMT 1
The bottom line is mistakes have been made, the fact is good, well meaning people, make mistakes. The trick is to be honest, learn from what went wrong and improve.
Our budget and approach to using that budget has been entirely transparent, we have been told how we will try and work. Nobody has been lied to or misled.
The transfer window is closed, DW has gone and we have JS in to see what he can do with our remaining Premier League games. JS should not be judged too harshly on what happens between now and May. It is what happens in preparing for the future that is important and to get a structure to support JS in place and have a clear plan for the close season. That plan requires the appointment of a DOF/SD and a detailed recruiting strategy. I would also expect that the role of the academy is also due a review. We took a different route 18 months ago and it is arguable if this has been successful. To be honest we are probably no worse off then we were before and perhaps that is what was expected.
The big problem that DH has is that he will know that in the Autumn we were probably 2 players away from retaining our Premier League status, with a manager we all pretty much trusted. The reasons for that quality gap are well debated. We are now facing an uncertain future in relative terms. The ghost of HTAFC's history tells us that we have often missed opportunities to progress due to poor decisions, or more accurately failed to invest. I don't think it would be fair to say an unwillingness to invest is at the root of our current predicament but some will point to it being "typical Town". We have all embraced and enjoyed the Premier League to a large degree and I think most would prefer to still be at this level than not. It hurts that the magic that was created that got us here appears to evaporated in the space of a few weeks.
Although I am all for positivity rousing sound bites such as "we won't sleepwalk into relegation" will come back to haunt you, although they were said with the best intentions. We can't simply say positive things, although that attitude helps, we need to face up to the errors and have a plan to move forward.
DH being unwell hasn't helped, and it is important that he takes care of himself first. DH owes HTAFC absolutely nothing. What all past evidence suggests is that DH will be honest about what has happened, he won't be happy and whatever he does not next will be for what he believes is best for the club. At some point a "state of the union" type message would be good (probably now at the end of the season - we can't really change anything now anyway) to outline where we are and where we are aiming to go.
It's been a tough season but there is still a good base to work from, let's have a plan we can all get behind.
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Post by redshadow on Feb 1, 2019 12:02:54 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation"if ever a sentence came back to haunt a man that one surely will.
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Post by mrg on Feb 1, 2019 12:10:11 GMT 1
The frustrating thing is we KEEP PLAYING 5 AT THE BACK. Is there anyone who can get a message to anyone who will listen (Jan) that these guys stayed in the PL last year and playing to their strengths might be worth looking at instead of losing another 9 games by the odd goal. The problem is now confidence of course but the reality is we are losing goals on the break or from set pieces. It's sickening how simple a fix it seems looking from the sides. Jesus really is weeping and so am I. Who out of Hogg Bacuna Puncheon Diakhaby Kachunga Mounie was playing in a 5 at the back on Tuesday? Apologies, you are right mate, with all the knocking it around and creating not much I'd assumed the system was the same. And we know what that does eh? 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 12:11:00 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation"if ever a sentence came back to haunt a man that one surely will. Just wait until the players learn Jan's tactics and he has firing on all cylinders - 6 matches won on the bounce and a front three of Diakahby & Mbenza, Grant and Mounie terrorising every defence we play until the end of the season.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 1, 2019 12:15:46 GMT 1
If there were only bad deals to be had then I'm glad we didn't panic to placate some fans - I think we did that in the summer with Mbenza who looks over priced right now
Better to save the cash as we'll only get one bite at doing this right in the summer IMO
Personally, I'm hoping we now see what Sabiri, Bacuna, Diakhaby, Mbenza and Grant have in the remaining games. They are young lads and next year they could kick on ... or not. That said if they play a few games now we'll have a better idea on their potential
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Post by ram on Feb 1, 2019 12:22:44 GMT 1
The 3 teams everyone seems to think will be relegated are Town,Cardiff and Fulham. Two of these have strengthened in the window,Town being the obvious exception. I feel that those other two will have a better chance of being top 2 next season in the Championship,leaving Town to be hopefully in the playoffs.But our seeming reliance on "players for the future" strategy may not be the right one. Cardiff And Fulham will,for the rest of this season,have the chance to prepare their new signings for next season,and will also be able to add further if needed in the summer window.A head Start!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 12:29:47 GMT 1
The most important thing is that there is a healthy Huddersfield Town for decades to come.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Feb 1, 2019 12:37:00 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation" It's worth remembering that no one has heard this statement. It has been read. It's attributed to DH but as we all know Dean has had health issues. I just wonder whether someone else produced that statement including the now infamous phrase and dean just authorised it. All speculation I know but in light of what has happened it all seems a little odd.
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Post by willo on Feb 1, 2019 12:37:02 GMT 1
The most important thing is that there is a healthy Huddersfield Town for decades to come. Irrespective of everything that has happened of late, it has taken a new poster to state the single most important thing. Well done.
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Post by Galpharmer on Feb 1, 2019 12:41:07 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation" It's worth remembering that no one has heard this statement. It has been read. It's attributed to DH but as we all know Dean has had health issues. I just wonder whether someone else produced that statement including the now infamous phrase and dean just authorised it. All speculation I know but in light of what has happened it all seems a little odd. Considering his health, or lack of it, I very much doubt the quote came from Dean himself. We’ve still got our shit dog jim jams on and we’re wandering about like a zombie anyway.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 1, 2019 12:50:29 GMT 1
The 3 teams everyone seems to think will be relegated are Town,Cardiff and Fulham. Two of these have strengthened in the window,Town being the obvious exception. I feel that those other two will have a better chance of being top 2 next season in the Championship,leaving Town to be hopefully in the playoffs.But our seeming reliance on "players for the future" strategy may not be the right one. Cardiff And Fulham will,for the rest of this season,have the chance to prepare their new signings for next season,and will also be able to add further if needed in the summer window.A head Start! We need to scrap this policy now as it hasn't worked. I'm struggling to think of anybody that we've signed "with potential" over the past few years that has either made it as a first team regular or has been sold for a big profit. The academy is supposed to be for players for the future. Our need is for the here and now.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 1, 2019 12:56:51 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation"if ever a sentence came back to haunt a man that one surely will. I don't think he'll give a shit TBH... (as in let it haunt him). If he does though, then he's probably every right to do so. For him this is a multi-million pound business as well as him being a dyed in the wool Town fan. For us, this is us just following a bloody football team...
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 1, 2019 13:23:38 GMT 1
The 3 teams everyone seems to think will be relegated are Town,Cardiff and Fulham. Two of these have strengthened in the window,Town being the obvious exception. I feel that those other two will have a better chance of being top 2 next season in the Championship,leaving Town to be hopefully in the playoffs.But our seeming reliance on "players for the future" strategy may not be the right one. Cardiff And Fulham will,for the rest of this season,have the chance to prepare their new signings for next season,and will also be able to add further if needed in the summer window.A head Start! The other problem Cardiff/ Fulham have is that they only get 2 years of parachute payments - down in their first year Town will get three years as we're classed as "established" - 55%, 45% then 20% of "equal share of broadcast revenue" which was £80.4m per team in 2017/18 - www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/02/parachute-payments-clubs-relegated-premier-leagueFulham and Cardiff may feel be restricted this summer in terms of being able to offer contracts longer than 2 years whereas if we're still down we'll have an extra £16m (in year three) before gate money etc so can push out a little more for the right players and still be FFP
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Post by space hardware on Feb 1, 2019 13:51:59 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation"if ever a sentence came back to haunt a man that one surely will. Just wait until the players learn Jan's tactics and he has firing on all cylinders - 6 matches won on the bounce and a front three of Diakahby & Mbenza, Grant and Mounie terrorising every defence we play until the end of the season.
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Post by space hardware on Feb 1, 2019 13:52:45 GMT 1
"We will not sleepwalk into relegation" It's worth remembering that no one has heard this statement. It has been read. It's attributed to DH but as we all know Dean has had health issues. I just wonder whether someone else produced that statement including the now infamous phrase and dean just authorised it. All speculation I know but in light of what has happened it all seems a little odd. Considering his health, or lack of it, I very much doubt the quote came from Dean himself. We’ve still got our shit dog jim jams on and we’re wandering about like a zombie anyway. I get the feeling you are not too keen on the new badge.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 1, 2019 13:57:52 GMT 1
One thing is for certain: that the moment relegation is mathematically confirmed, we will start playing out of our skins and beat every fucker by three goals.
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Post by terrier2019 on Feb 1, 2019 14:11:11 GMT 1
i think you can all see with how the transfer windows panned out that we avnt made effort to get anybody in.its got the hallmarks of a chairman whos looking to sell up spend nothing then sell best playrs in summer assett stripping.id like to know where all the money as gone!!!.cuz we should have a load money available.why not publish yearly accounts so we can see where it is 🐑🐑🐑🐑
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Post by mallyb on Feb 1, 2019 14:17:51 GMT 1
The 3 teams everyone seems to think will be relegated are Town,Cardiff and Fulham. Two of these have strengthened in the window,Town being the obvious exception. I feel that those other two will have a better chance of being top 2 next season in the Championship,leaving Town to be hopefully in the playoffs.But our seeming reliance on "players for the future" strategy may not be the right one. Cardiff And Fulham will,for the rest of this season,have the chance to prepare their new signings for next season,and will also be able to add further if needed in the summer window.A head Start! No Chance Cardiff or Fulham will be top 2 next season, Town will be in front of both. Better team than both just cant score, sort that between now and tomorrow hopefully but by August for sure, Keep that midfield together and we will be there or there abouts
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 1, 2019 14:28:18 GMT 1
i think you can all see with how the transfer windows panned out that we avnt made effort to get anybody in.its got the hallmarks of a chairman whos looking to sell up spend nothing then sell best playrs in summer assett stripping.id like to know where all the money as gone!!!.cuz we should have a load money available.why not publish yearly accounts so we can see where it is 🐑🐑🐑🐑 Our net spend for the last two seasons is about £90m add agent fees so call it £100m www.transfermarkt.com/huddersfield-town/alletransfers/verein/1110Our wage bill will be around £40m a year (lower than some Championship sides) - so over 2 years that's £80m We've committed £20m to a training ground That pretty much accounts for the money we've made in the last two seasons
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 14:29:28 GMT 1
i think you can all see with how the transfer windows panned out that we avnt made effort to get anybody in.its got the hallmarks of a chairman whos looking to sell up spend nothing then sell best playrs in summer assett stripping.id like to know where all the money as gone!!!.cuz we should have a load money available.why not publish yearly accounts so we can see where it is 🐑🐑🐑🐑 They are published...next update will be in a couple of months... beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/01771361/filing-history
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 14:36:18 GMT 1
If you look at the positives, imagine what would have happened in the summer if we were relegated last year and had no DoF. It would have been chaos. This was the year we would strengthen the squad adding quality and depth and lay the foundations for a sustained period in the premier league. Problem is we've pissed all the extra money up a wall so I'm not even sure the extra year has been beneficial; perhaps the opposite. In hindsight we'd maybe have been better going down last season by a whisker rather than suffering the humiliation of being one of the (may soon be THE) worst teams in the premier leagues history. The clubs reputation is being seriously damaged at the moment, we're a laughing stock basically and its no wonder we didn't manage to sign anyone except a L1 youngster, who on earth would want to join us in the state we're in. what a load of bull you talk.the laughing stocks as you call us are clubs like derby Wednesday villa forest etc and leeds up to this season who have thrown money at it and still arnt out of the championship.YOU REALLY ARE A DRAMA QUEEN.
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