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Diakhaby
Feb 11, 2019 21:06:55 GMT 1
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Post by sykeylad on Feb 11, 2019 21:06:55 GMT 1
Lolley has skill but no real pace. Great goal v. West Ham buy he will only shine in the 2ndvl tier I feel.
Diakhaby and Mbenza have both shown they are dynamite for pace and they are not without skill.
They just either took some time settle or didn't suit the DW 4231 winger with defensive duties. Or both.
We will be lucky to keep them on the books, assuming we complete the singing of Mbenza. If and when we sell either we will make a profit I am sure.
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Diakhaby
Feb 11, 2019 23:16:47 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 11, 2019 23:16:47 GMT 1
Odd that a player without a footballing brain has managed runs behind the defence to get one player sent off and to create a goal in our last two home games. As for his ability, I'd say his control, run and cross for Kachunga's chance against Everton was probably the best single piece of football from a Town attacker this season. Odd but true. Usain Bolt would get one or two players sent off with his pace but it doesn’t mean he is a natural at football. Have you seen usain bolt play football? He hasn't got a clue where he should be, what runs to make, how to control a ball or how to kick it properly. I'm a better footballer than he is, just a shame Mark Hudson would probably beat me in a sprint
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Diakhaby
Feb 11, 2019 23:39:53 GMT 1
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 11, 2019 23:39:53 GMT 1
Odd but true. Usain Bolt would get one or two players sent off with his pace but it doesn’t mean he is a natural at football. Have you seen usain bolt play football? He hasn't got a clue where he should be, what runs to make, how to control a ball or how to kick it properly. I'm a better footballer than he is, just a shame Mark Hudson would probably beat me in a sprint Not seen how he's getting on in Oz but I remember watching him in the last Soccer aid game and thinking he was bloody awful.
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Post by est1908 on Feb 11, 2019 23:41:29 GMT 1
Odd that a player without a footballing brain has managed runs behind the defence to get one player sent off and to create a goal in our last two home games. As for his ability, I'd say his control, run and cross for Kachunga's chance against Everton was probably the best single piece of football from a Town attacker this season. Keep it quiet, everybody will be after our players....
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Post by Amigo on Feb 12, 2019 9:32:11 GMT 1
Joe Lolley had 4 and a half years to do something here and didn't, it wasn't like he wasn't given time. Diakhaby and Mbenza have both looked useful recently so let's give them a chance first. Lolley had 4 years more here than they have. If they'd played all season I think we'd see different players as they've both performed better the more they've played. Her only ever got four and half minutes per game under Powell. Wagner seemed to have turned him into an exciting prospect but then he got injured and when he came back it was like he was back to sqaure one again. Powell managed him for 14 months of the 4 and a half years he was here I'm not sure you can blame Powell for Lolley not realising his potential whilst he was with us? At the same age Lolley was playing for Kidderminster, Diakhaby and Mbenza are appearing for the under 21's for 2 of he best teams in world football. Lolley isn't a prospect he's 27 soon so should be in his prime let's see if Diakhaby and Mbenza are Championship level when they're 27.
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Post by stanton1969 on Feb 12, 2019 18:37:47 GMT 1
Defenders are nowhere near as good in the Championship. Diakgranbenza will have a numerous field days.
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Post by Town Duppy on Feb 14, 2019 0:03:23 GMT 1
State of this semi-thread.
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Post by est1908 on Feb 14, 2019 0:08:11 GMT 1
State of this semi-thread. Perv....
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Diakhaby
Feb 14, 2019 8:01:21 GMT 1
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 14, 2019 8:01:21 GMT 1
This is the problem with the Premier League, or more specifically the financial disparity between the Premier League and the Championship. A team such as us can't blood youngsters - and despite the high costs involved (for us) that's what they are. The cost of relegation in monetary terms for all involved is too great which leads to safety first football, safety first decisions on players and a requirement for 100% ready made players. Now we're all but down we can blood them and we are seeing the benefits of what a run of games could have done for Diakhaby and Bacuna, but you can see why the decision was made earlier on in the season to go with players that could be trusted - Peoples jobs are at stake. These types of signings are what we should have been making in year 3 or 4 though, once we had a couple of genuine Premier League calibre wingers. Had we done that, Kachunga and even Chefkoch would have been suitable stand ins for a handful of games. You cant really have projects on the go in your first team in this league, other teams projects are out on loan or getting drip fed from the bench. Great post... Wonder how much, in terms of raw transfer value, Chelsea have out on loan just now? Had we bought these lads outright for the sums quoted, then loaned them out, people on here would have fainted...
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Post by tockyterrier on Feb 14, 2019 11:00:45 GMT 1
To me, he showed what he could do in the 5 mins he got v Liverpool. But didn't play again after that. Obviously not able to grasp the defensive element wagner wanted.
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Post by CaptainHart on Feb 14, 2019 12:32:40 GMT 1
I'd like to see us play 3-5-2 with Diakhaby and Grant as the two.
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Post by shawsie on Feb 15, 2019 19:35:06 GMT 1
I love the confidence a lot seem to have in diakhaby and mbenza....am just not sure why! Hope I'm wrong but neither look to be the real deal to me - only time will tell though and to be fair they haven't played much. Think a few need to be realistic re next year's expectations particularly if 2 or 3 go a la billing, mooy, schindler, kongolo. Not easy to replace even with a decent war chest.
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Post by Amigo on Feb 15, 2019 20:59:05 GMT 1
I love the confidence a lot seem to have in diakhaby and mbenza....am just not sure why! Hope I'm wrong but neither look to be the real deal to me - only time will tell though and to be fair they haven't played much. Think a few need to be realistic re next year's expectations particularly if 2 or 3 go a la billing, mooy, schindler, kongolo. Not easy to replace even with a decent war chest. You can't understand why people have seen Diakhaby against Chelsea and Arsenal and perform the way he has to have confidence he could perform against Championship players? Mbenza has started to look useful as well. He also scored 10 goals in the French league last season. Is it better than the Premier League? No. Is it better than the Championship? Yes. Diakhaby has started 6 games for us which includes 2 against Everton and one against Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City. He's still done ok and won't be against anywhere near that level next season. Of Mbenza's 6 starts they've been against Watford (8th), Chelsea, City and United. He got an assist against Burnley and had a couple of shots against Southampton. Not earth shattering by any means but there's potential. Both getting a run of games against teams not in the top 10 in the country and I'm sure you'll see them flourish based on improvements from actually getting game time. Instead we're basing current opinions from 6 starts each, half of which have been against Champions League contenders.
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Post by Town Duppy on Feb 16, 2019 0:24:58 GMT 1
I love the confidence a lot seem to have in diakhaby and mbenza....am just not sure why! Hope I'm wrong but neither look to be the real deal to me - only time will tell though and to be fair they haven't played much. Think a few need to be realistic re next year's expectations particularly if 2 or 3 go a la billing, mooy, schindler, kongolo. Not easy to replace even with a decent war chest. You can't understand why people have seen Diakhaby against Chelsea and Arsenal and perform the way he has to have confidence he could perform against Championship players? Mbenza has started to look useful as well. He also scored 10 goals in the French league last season. Is it better than the Premier League? No. Is it better than the Championship? Yes. Diakhaby has started 6 games for us which includes 2 against Everton and one against Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City. He's still done ok and won't be against anywhere near that level next season. Of Mbenza's 6 starts they've been against Watford (8th), Chelsea, City and United. He got an assist against Burnley and had a couple of shots against Southampton. Not earth shattering by any means but there's potential. Both getting a run of games against teams not in the top 10 in the country and I'm sure you'll see them flourish based on improvements from actually getting game time. Instead we're basing current opinions from 6 starts each, half of which have been against Champions League contenders. He's a great footballer and a top bloke.
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Post by shawsie on Feb 16, 2019 1:06:11 GMT 1
I love the confidence a lot seem to have in diakhaby and mbenza....am just not sure why! Hope I'm wrong but neither look to be the real deal to me - only time will tell though and to be fair they haven't played much. Think a few need to be realistic re next year's expectations particularly if 2 or 3 go a la billing, mooy, schindler, kongolo. Not easy to replace even with a decent war chest. You can't understand why people have seen Diakhaby against Chelsea and Arsenal and perform the way he has to have confidence he could perform against Championship players? Mbenza has started to look useful as well. He also scored 10 goals in the French league last season. Is it better than the Premier League? No. Is it better than the Championship? Yes. Diakhaby has started 6 games for us which includes 2 against Everton and one against Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City. He's still done ok and won't be against anywhere near that level next season. Of Mbenza's 6 starts they've been against Watford (8th), Chelsea, City and United. He got an assist against Burnley and had a couple of shots against Southampton. Not earth shattering by any means but there's potential. Both getting a run of games against teams not in the top 10 in the country and I'm sure you'll see them flourish based on improvements from actually getting game time. Instead we're basing current opinions from 6 starts each, half of which have been against Champions League contenders. Time will tell......mbenza gave the worst 45min i have ever seen at this level at watford. He was worse than hopeless and hes not looked prem class once to me. Both he and diakhaby are undoubtedly rapid......and young and have potential maybe. As such i will reserve judgment, but i dont share the confidence of some on here including you. In the championship you have to do it twice a week consistently to be successful. If we lose who we expect when we go down then it will not be easy to challenge for an immediate return - as swansea, villa, stoke have recently found out.
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 17:54:11 GMT 1
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 17, 2019 17:54:11 GMT 1
I love the confidence a lot seem to have in diakhaby and mbenza....am just not sure why! Hope I'm wrong but neither look to be the real deal to me - only time will tell though and to be fair they haven't played much. Think a few need to be realistic re next year's expectations particularly if 2 or 3 go a la billing, mooy, schindler, kongolo. Not easy to replace even with a decent war chest. It amazes me too Apart from pace I’ve not seen anything from either of them to give me any confidence that they will come good I hope I’m wrong
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 17, 2019 18:17:27 GMT 1
People forget we got promoted with Harry Bunn, Colin Quaner and Sean Scannell featuring regularly as wingers
I'm pretty content to have Mbenza and Diakhaby as two of our wide options for next season
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 19:28:46 GMT 1
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Post by ACW on Feb 17, 2019 19:28:46 GMT 1
People forget we got promoted with Harry Bunn, Colin Quaner and Sean Scannell featuring regularly as wingers I'm pretty content to have Mbenza and Diakhaby as two of our wide options for next season I don't remember Scannell featuring regularly in the promotion season.
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 19:30:41 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 17, 2019 19:30:41 GMT 1
People forget we got promoted with Harry Bunn, Colin Quaner and Sean Scannell featuring regularly as wingers I'm pretty content to have Mbenza and Diakhaby as two of our wide options for next season I don't remember Scannell featuring regularly in the promotion season. Over 50 appearances between the 3 of them. Think Scannell had 15
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 19:32:04 GMT 1
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Post by greyarea on Feb 17, 2019 19:32:04 GMT 1
People forget we got promoted with Harry Bunn, Colin Quaner and Sean Scannell featuring regularly as wingers I'm pretty content to have Mbenza and Diakhaby as two of our wide options for next season I agree with your point. Regards Mbenza, I can't see Town triggering the £11M buy clause. My understanding is the Mbenza deal is a 2M loan fee for this year with an option to buy at the end of the season for a further £11M. I can't see that happening.
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Post by ACW on Feb 17, 2019 19:35:57 GMT 1
I don't remember Scannell featuring regularly in the promotion season. Over 50 appearances between the 3 of them. Think Scannell had 15 16 apparently - 8 of them starts. Although Wikipedia has trouble counting as they also have him down for 7 appearances as a sub. Either way I'm struggling to remember any of them. I have many memories of that season, but Sean's contribution isn't one of them. I tend to remember him as our sole attacking option under Chris Powell.
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 19:49:07 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 17, 2019 19:49:07 GMT 1
People forget we got promoted with Harry Bunn, Colin Quaner and Sean Scannell featuring regularly as wingers I'm pretty content to have Mbenza and Diakhaby as two of our wide options for next season I agree with your point. Regards Mbenza, I can't see Town triggering the £11M buy clause. My understanding is the Mbenza deal is a 2M loan fee for this year with an option to buy at the end of the season for a further £11M. I can't see that happening. It isn't an option. We have to sign him
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 17, 2019 19:53:58 GMT 1
I agree with your point. Regards Mbenza, I can't see Town triggering the £11M buy clause. My understanding is the Mbenza deal is a 2M loan fee for this year with an option to buy at the end of the season for a further £11M. I can't see that happening. It isn't an option. We have to sign him Doesn’t say that here: www.htafc.com/news/2018/august/loan-winger-isaac-mbenza-signs/
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Post by niggled on Feb 17, 2019 19:55:31 GMT 1
People forget we got promoted with Harry Bunn, Colin Quaner and Sean Scannell featuring regularly as wingers I'm pretty content to have Mbenza and Diakhaby as two of our wide options for next season What a load of bollocks. Lies ,damn lies and statistics. How many starts from these regular wingers in the league.
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 20:03:47 GMT 1
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Post by boooothy on Feb 17, 2019 20:03:47 GMT 1
I can’t wait to see this guy! He’s sounds like a world beater.
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 21:25:10 GMT 1
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Post by C.H on Feb 17, 2019 21:25:10 GMT 1
I agree with your point. Regards Mbenza, I can't see Town triggering the £11M buy clause. My understanding is the Mbenza deal is a 2M loan fee for this year with an option to buy at the end of the season for a further £11M. I can't see that happening. It isn't an option. We have to sign him Sign a winger for 11 million with 1 assist 0 goals Good idea
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 22:04:02 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 17, 2019 22:04:02 GMT 1
We will see. Dean Hoyle has already confirmed as much as did their fans
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Post by ritchie on Feb 17, 2019 22:06:34 GMT 1
I dont tend to read them but when are the accounts for the summer period published? will they settle the mbenza argument? If we are obligated to buy will they come out of this seasons budget or next?
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 22:14:21 GMT 1
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Post by greyarea on Feb 17, 2019 22:14:21 GMT 1
I agree with your point. Regards Mbenza, I can't see Town triggering the £11M buy clause. My understanding is the Mbenza deal is a 2M loan fee for this year with an option to buy at the end of the season for a further £11M. I can't see that happening. It isn't an option. We have to sign him It is an option. I remember Dean discussing it at the Q&A at the beginning of the season. Any party can turn down the deal at the end of the loan deal. It was the same with Flo and Lossl. The club exercised their right to purchase on those two this season but we're not bound in to having to buy them. Catagorically we do not have to purchase Mbenza at the end of the season.
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Diakhaby
Feb 17, 2019 22:14:24 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Feb 17, 2019 22:14:24 GMT 1
Diakhaby = future 50 million pound man.
Mbenza is better than Diakhaby...
Wagner was blind.
It's an IQ test
Is Wagner better than Mbenza?
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