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Post by royrace on Mar 8, 2019 1:42:21 GMT 1
A message to Smith IMO - "You let the side down at Newcastle - The captain should lead by example". And he did let us down, big style. 'kin hell you're an unforgiving lot on here, one (admittedly big) mistake and he's stripped of the captaincy and thrown to the wolves Hoping Jan's reasoning isn't quite as petty! Makes me chuckle the criticism good servants like Smith get on there whilst people cant wait to leap to the defence of our multi million pound flops who have delivered precisely nowt except for relegation!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 11:46:01 GMT 1
And he did let us down, big style. 'kin hell you're an unforgiving lot on here, one (admittedly big) mistake and he's stripped of the captaincy and thrown to the wolves Hoping Jan's reasoning isn't quite as petty! Makes me chuckle the criticism good servants like Smith get on there whilst people cant wait to leap to the defence of our multi million pound flops who have delivered precisely nowt except for relegation! I heard Jan didn't mess about with Andy Hughes - opened his gob and he was gone.
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Post by digs on Mar 8, 2019 12:15:31 GMT 1
And he did let us down, big style. 'kin hell you're an unforgiving lot on here, one (admittedly big) mistake and he's stripped of the captaincy and thrown to the wolves Hoping Jan's reasoning isn't quite as petty! Makes me chuckle the criticism good servants like Smith get on there whilst people cant wait to leap to the defence of our multi million pound flops who have delivered precisely nowt except for relegation! if we dont criticise Smith for being a dickhead and letting down fans paying good money to watch an uneven game of football,then he may think we enjoy that type of thuggery and think its normal to do it next time he plays,id make him do a thousand lines too,,,I must not try to win the ball like im Hong Kong phooey
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Post by royrace on Mar 8, 2019 18:18:31 GMT 1
'kin hell you're an unforgiving lot on here, one (admittedly big) mistake and he's stripped of the captaincy and thrown to the wolves Hoping Jan's reasoning isn't quite as petty! Makes me chuckle the criticism good servants like Smith get on there whilst people cant wait to leap to the defence of our multi million pound flops who have delivered precisely nowt except for relegation! if we dont criticise Smith for being a dickhead and letting down fans paying good money to watch an uneven game of football,then he may think we enjoy that type of thuggery and think its normal to do it next time he plays,id make him do a thousand lines too,,,I must not try to win the ball like im Hong Kong phooey Hong Kong Phooey lol Criticism is fine and well deserved, the thing is he charged in like a mad man because he cares. Unprofessional, stupid and exposed his lack of speed at this level but people suggesting he should be stripped of the captaincy for it is just silly!
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Post by royrace on Mar 8, 2019 18:30:14 GMT 1
'kin hell you're an unforgiving lot on here, one (admittedly big) mistake and he's stripped of the captaincy and thrown to the wolves Hoping Jan's reasoning isn't quite as petty! Makes me chuckle the criticism good servants like Smith get on there whilst people cant wait to leap to the defence of our multi million pound flops who have delivered precisely nowt except for relegation! I heard Jan didn't mess about with Andy Hughes - opened his gob and he was gone. Really? If Jan is kicking arse all over the place it may be a good thing, or it maybe a bad thing, time will tell. As a 35 year old unknown with no experience of the English game I can imagine he would potentially clash with someone like Hughes, just hope it doesn't show his own insecurity. He needs to keep the right people onside or he's no chance, player power is a big thing and there seems to be a few who may have been on the naughty step already. Continuity is key, pissing half the squad off will lead to massive player turn over and we'll be back to square one with a bit more cash in the bank in no time at all. Sometimes managers would prefer to replace all the players they cant get onside rather than try to work with them, that's how clubs end up wasting millions on new players every time they change the coach. This is the exact opposite of what the club has been trying to achieve but we've seen it before where they do one thing and say another. Replacing Robins with Powell is an example. Wagner managed this scenario perfectly by getting the senior pros onside and damage was limited, I think only Lynch and Vaughan sulked and neither were missed. Time will tell I guess.
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Post by royrace on Mar 8, 2019 18:39:03 GMT 1
Bit weird? Tommy Smith was captain and Hogg vice captain? Great way to piss off two great players/pros and create disharmony in the squad? Maybe Jan thinks he needs to exert his authority? Schindler hasn't played like a captain this season that's for sure, maybe that's what it's about? Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Tommy Smith is as far as I am aware still club captain. Hoggy is out and could be for some time. Nothing weird to read into it. I've only read the snippet on twitter but if they'd said Tommy Smith will continue to be club captain, but Schindler will be captaining the team in the absence of Hogg who is injured, then that would be normal. To me it read like Schindler is the new captain and will likely be club captain eventually with no mention of vice captain, Hogg or the reasoning behind it. Like I said, a bit weird. He's changing the captain, mid season basically which is bound to piss off Smith and Hogg and possibly make Schindler slightly uncomfortable and upset the harmony in the squad. Maybe its a managerial masterstroke, I hope so.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Mar 8, 2019 19:16:02 GMT 1
And he did let us down, big style. 'kin hell you're an unforgiving lot on here, one (admittedly big) mistake and he's stripped of the captaincy and thrown to the wolves Hoping Jan's reasoning isn't quite as petty! Makes me chuckle the criticism good servants like Smith get on there whilst people cant wait to leap to the defence of our multi million pound flops who have delivered precisely nowt except for relegation! Not at all, I was critical of Hogg when he got sent off against Cardiff too. Reality is the captain should lead by example and Smith's tackle was stupid and reckless and cost us any chance we had of winning that game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 19:23:25 GMT 1
Tommy Smith is as far as I am aware still club captain. Hoggy is out and could be for some time. Nothing weird to read into it. I've only read the snippet on twitter but if they'd said Tommy Smith will continue to be club captain, but Schindler will be captaining the team in the absence of Hogg who is injured, then that would be normal. To me it read like Schindler is the new captain and will likely be club captain eventually with no mention of vice captain, Hogg or the reasoning behind it. Like I said, a bit weird. He's changing the captain, mid season basically which is bound to piss off Smith and Hogg and possibly make Schindler slightly uncomfortable and upset the harmony in the squad. Maybe its a managerial masterstroke, I hope so. Jan specifically said he wants the team captain on the field. No mention of club captain, i can see why Hogg could be a bit miffed. However as i have said Smith has only been involved in 8 league games this season so continuing as team captain when makes little sense.
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Post by digs on Mar 8, 2019 19:37:27 GMT 1
Whats the point of a club captain are they in charge of shampoo and training bibs,was Smith given it because hes been here a long time and Wagner didnt want to upset him?
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Mar 8, 2019 19:43:48 GMT 1
Whats the point of a club captain are they in charge of shampoo and training bibs,was Smith given it because hes been here a long time and Wagner didnt want to upset him? aye, much like Hudson being "club captain" in the promotion season- it's pretty much a ceremonial role if you're not good enough to regularly start. Smith hasn't been judged good enough to start for about 18 months.
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Post by Champers on Mar 8, 2019 19:48:02 GMT 1
'kin hell you're an unforgiving lot on here, one (admittedly big) mistake and he's stripped of the captaincy and thrown to the wolves Hoping Jan's reasoning isn't quite as petty! Makes me chuckle the criticism good servants like Smith get on there whilst people cant wait to leap to the defence of our multi million pound flops who have delivered precisely nowt except for relegation! I heard Jan didn't mess about with Andy Hughes - opened his gob and he was gone. Perv
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Post by impact on Mar 9, 2019 2:10:07 GMT 1
Whats the point of a club captain are they in charge of shampoo and training bibs,was Smith given it because hes been here a long time and Wagner didnt want to upset him? aye, much like Hudson being "club captain" in the promotion season- it's pretty much a ceremonial role if you're not good enough to regularly start. Smith hasn't been judged good enough to start for about 18 months. With Hudson, it wasn't ceremonial. He started a lot of games that season, and even if he hadn't he was the person all the players looked up to. He was a proper captain. There was nothing ceremonial about it.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 9, 2019 8:31:39 GMT 1
I haven’t criticised JS to date but I don’t agree with this
It’s unnecessary and is a public snub to both smith and Hogg - key men for next season and big characters in the dressing room
We have players now like billing publically talking of being in the shop window so you’d expect we’ll have other unsettled players in the dressing room so why JS feels he needs to do this right now (potentially upsetting two of our leaders) is plain daft - bad man management in my view
As for the stick on Smiths red ... Schindler got a red the month before because he didn’t know he’d got a earlier yellow, that’s really shoddy. Blame dean (and he deserves a lot) but also after giving away a foul Schindler should have the wherewithal to least glance at the ref to see he’s not wanting to speak to him let alone showing a yellow card. Not an easy one for Schindler to explain in the dressing room IMO because he unquestionably messed up and cost us a chance of a win
Also if the precedent is the captain gets chopped for a red card (split second error) then we’ll be having three captains a year!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 8:59:02 GMT 1
Well deserved but may not be here next season due to brexit Are you the Project Fear rep for DATM? Haven’t you heard? There never was a project fear it was all made up by Aaron banks et al.
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Post by Metch on Mar 9, 2019 9:17:43 GMT 1
Whats the point of a club captain are they in charge of shampoo and training bibs,was Smith given it because hes been here a long time and Wagner didnt want to upset him? It's called man management, something DW was rather good at. Jury out on JS, I'm not getting the same vibe but results in August/Sept will decide his fate. At the moment I think he could be our Andre Villas Boas but hope I'm wrong!
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Post by King Curtis on Mar 9, 2019 9:28:21 GMT 1
Whats the point of a club captain are they in charge of shampoo and training bibs,was Smith given it because hes been here a long time and Wagner didnt want to upset him? It's called man management, something DW was rather good at. Jury out on JS, I'm not getting the same vibe but results in August/Sept will decide his fate. At the moment I think he could be our Andre Villas Boas but hope I'm wrong! Other than looking slightly alike, what a ridiculous comparison!
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Post by Metch on Mar 9, 2019 9:34:16 GMT 1
It's called man management, something DW was rather good at. Jury out on JS, I'm not getting the same vibe but results in August/Sept will decide his fate. At the moment I think he could be our Andre Villas Boas but hope I'm wrong! Other than looking slightly alike, what a ridiculous comparison! I hope it is. It's the comparison "young, highly regarded coach promoted to a job too early and can't cope with it" that i was thinking of but hope is wrong too.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 9, 2019 9:45:35 GMT 1
Other than looking slightly alike, what a ridiculous comparison! I hope it is. It's the comparison "young, highly regarded coach promoted to a job too early and can't cope with it" that i was thinking of but hope is wrong too. That comparison could have been said about our last manager and that went ok overall.
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Post by ambryboy on Mar 9, 2019 9:53:36 GMT 1
So far I quite like Jan's robust approach. I think that Schindler is an excellent choice, he is dependable, solid, calm and misses very few games. I'm not sure why this decision has provoked so much debate.
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Post by Metch on Mar 9, 2019 9:56:26 GMT 1
True, but DW hit all the right buttons from day one with me. Also we were a lower end championship club then. JS is working with bigger players and more pressure. Some of his decisions worry me but waiting for the bigger picture to be completed.
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Post by royrace on Mar 9, 2019 9:57:52 GMT 1
I hope it is. It's the comparison "young, highly regarded coach promoted to a job too early and can't cope with it" that i was thinking of but hope is wrong too. That comparison could have been said about our last manager and that went ok overall. Young as in very young I think he is alluding to, i.e.thirties, rather than forties. AVB was very young for a manager at that level as is Jan. I hope he does a brilliant job obviously but the captain change and a few other things coming out has me a bit worried about spirit in the squad. Hope it's unfounded. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 9, 2019 10:18:19 GMT 1
True, but DW hit all the right buttons from day one with me. Also we were a lower end championship club then. JS is working with bigger players and more pressure. Some of his decisions worry me but waiting for the bigger picture to be completed. To be honest, if we are talking about decision making, Jan’s decisions have given me more confidence than Wagner’s decisions this season.
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Post by htfcsince70 on Mar 9, 2019 11:08:46 GMT 1
To be fair I only ever recognise one captain - the one on the pitch. Smith is suspended for next two out of 9 and might not get his place back in any case so why would he remain captain? If I'm being honest i was always surprised that he was captain under Wagner.Hogg is injured and my hope is it isn't more serious than we know about and he will out longer than we expected - hence not captain. Schindler is perhaps the ONLY choice left but as for being captain I'm not sure. He never appears particularly vocal and doesn't appear to want the limelight - that said - to step up at Wembley and take that final penalty was real captain personality. Perhaps also we are looking longer term and he will still be here next season. I've also read Jan's comments and he praises both Smith and Hogg and gives reason behind the decision - nothing to be alarmed at in my opinion. I also like the Durm's comments on the different style of play - getting more men in the box.Something had to change be it right or wrong - the previous style was boring me silly if I'm being honest - we only ever had one man in the box against 4 defenders! Not the only reason we never scored but it didn't help the situation!
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